Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/István Barta (painter)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy keep‎. Speedy Keep #1. Nomination was withdrawn; great collaboration to create a better target; merge & redirect to Mária Barta. (Decided to call it a speedy keep rather than a straight-out merge/redirect because the nomination was withdrawn. Effect is the same.) Joyous! Noise! 16:31, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

István Barta (painter)

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Update: Withdraw nom, this article should be Merged and Redirected to: Mária Barta per WomenArtistUpdates contributions and creation of an appropriate redirect site for merging the content. Netherzone (talk) 17:17, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm unable to find anything to substantiate the notability of this artist after an online search and an exhaustive WP Library resources/database search. The BEFORE only revealed a few auction house listings and a few works for sale from commercial galleries. (Note there is a notable water polo player with the same name, but that is a different person.) The article currently has one source for a name change he filed in 1902. There were three citations to FamilySearch which I removed as it is not considered a reliable source per WP:RSP. I have been unable to find any exhibition records, art reviews, museum collections, public art works or anything else that would contribute to an artist's notability. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NARTIST. Bringing it here for the community's feedback on whether or not it should be retained in the encyclopedia. Netherzone (talk) 20:38, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Artists, Visual arts, and Hungary. Netherzone (talk) 20:38, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - István Barta does have a listing at Allgemeines Künstlerlexikon - Internationale Künstlerdatenbank - Online via Wikipedia Library. Putting the text in translator, I can confirm birth and death, but cannot show notability. The English Wikipedia article appears to be a straight-forward translation of the Hungarian Wikipedia article with the same sub-standard references. I can't find anything to add to this article. Quick question - does listing in Allgemeines Künstlerlexikon - International Artist Database - Online confer notability? WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:50, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I saw that you added that to the article, good find WomenArtistUpdates! If the Allgemeines Künstlerlexikon - International Artist Database (which I'm not familiar with) is the same as a Dictionary of National Biography then he would meet criteria #3 of WP:ANYBIO. Here is more info on the Allgemeines Künstlerlexikon at the Thieme-Becker article which describes it as a "German biographical dictionary of artists". I don't know if that is considered the same as a "National Biographic Dictionary" in the world-of-wikipedia. I recall some years ago an editor told me that using a "Dictionary of Women Artists" did not count for notability (I disagreed). So I really don't know. If Allgemeines Künstlerlexikon counts towards ANYBIO notability I will withdraw the nom. Netherzone (talk) 01:09, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I think István Barta's listing in the International Artist Database is due to his siblings Maria and Lajos, either one would have been a better choice for an article in English. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:00, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting. I think he also went by the name Stefano Barta (which would make sense given the fact he was an Esperantist). See here:[1] Netherzone (talk) 01:29, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps the solution could be to have an article on Maria, with a paragraph about her siblings. Then redirect for the 2 brothers. I hope to find the time over the weekend to launch something, unless others want to straight-up delete. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 21:15, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That sounds like a great alternative, since Maria is notable but does not have an article on en-WP. A good solution! Netherzone (talk) 21:42, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Netherzone I created Maria. All edits welcome. Also any suggestion of where the article should live, like a move to "Barta Family". Or a case could be made to have Lajos Barta as the main subject. I still have no idea what type of source Allgemeines Künstlerlexikon is or if it confers notability. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:08, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have withdrawn the nomination. Great work on this! Thank you, WAU. Netherzone (talk) 17:21, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Netherzone! Should I turn the page into a redirect or shall I await consensus? WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:46, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure what the correct procedure is, whether the AfD should first be closed or not. Hopefully an admin or super-experienced closer will come by soon and can shed some light on the right next step. Netherzone (talk) 18:54, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with redirect to Mária Barta. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:14, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.