Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Brittas
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. Wifione ....... Leave a message 09:11, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Appears to fail the WP:BIO guidelines. Being a managing director is not, of itself, notable for an encyclopaedia entry. Since creation in 2007, the article has been tagged for improvement with no signs of any improvement apart from the tags being removed. The award mentioned appears to be a scholarship scheme and is unlikely to be sufficient to address notability. Fæ (talk) 10:06, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. -- Fæ (talk) 10:06, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. -- Fæ (talk) 10:07, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keepthe Ramnath Goenka Awards appear to be fairly prestigious, (speeches thereon by India's chief justice of the supreme court), but it's hard to find out much about it. That said, if this award is Brittas's only claim to notability then the article stands or falls on the award's status. Totnesmartin (talk) 13:03, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]- Comment The Ramnath Goenka Award may be prestigious; but can anyone verify whether it was awarded to John Brittas? Do they (the trust) have a website. Is this (the Ramnath Goenka Excellence in Journalism award to Brittas) covered in any mainstream newspaper; at least in Indian Express which is associated with this trust. Did anyone get anything other than this Wikipedia article for a Google search of this "Journalism Educational Award".180.149.48.245 (talk) 04:44, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- The guidelines are that if a BLP depends on an award, that the award should be "well known". I would interpret this a needing to be internationally recognized. If basic searches reveal so little information that we are not sure exactly what the significance of the award is and there is no Wikipedia article for Ramnath Goenka Excellence in Journalism Award, then it must be considered not notable enough by itself to justify the existence of BLPs for awards winners. The award was created in 2006 by the Express Group for Indian journalists. Fæ (talk) 08:02, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- "we don't have an article, therefore it's not notable" isn't much of an argument. Wikipedia's coverage of India isn't as good as it should be, perhaps we missed something somewhere? Incidentally, googling Ramnath Goenka Awards turns up quite a few hits, although they seem to be mostly Indian news outlets trumpeting winners from their own staff. The award is seemingly well-known within Indian journalism (and worth an article here?), but I'm starting to doubt whether simply winning one makes Mr Brittas notable enough for Wikipedia's purposes. Totnesmartin (talk) 09:34, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- You seem to have missed the word "and" in my statement and inadvertently misrepresented my comment. Thanks, Fæ (talk) 09:42, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- aaargh. Thanks for pointing out my phail. I shouldn't be doing this on a Sunday morning! Totnesmartin (talk) 10:07, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- You seem to have missed the word "and" in my statement and inadvertently misrepresented my comment. Thanks, Fæ (talk) 09:42, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- "we don't have an article, therefore it's not notable" isn't much of an argument. Wikipedia's coverage of India isn't as good as it should be, perhaps we missed something somewhere? Incidentally, googling Ramnath Goenka Awards turns up quite a few hits, although they seem to be mostly Indian news outlets trumpeting winners from their own staff. The award is seemingly well-known within Indian journalism (and worth an article here?), but I'm starting to doubt whether simply winning one makes Mr Brittas notable enough for Wikipedia's purposes. Totnesmartin (talk) 09:34, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- The guidelines are that if a BLP depends on an award, that the award should be "well known". I would interpret this a needing to be internationally recognized. If basic searches reveal so little information that we are not sure exactly what the significance of the award is and there is no Wikipedia article for Ramnath Goenka Excellence in Journalism Award, then it must be considered not notable enough by itself to justify the existence of BLPs for awards winners. The award was created in 2006 by the Express Group for Indian journalists. Fæ (talk) 08:02, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The Ramnath Goenka Award may be prestigious; but can anyone verify whether it was awarded to John Brittas? Do they (the trust) have a website. Is this (the Ramnath Goenka Excellence in Journalism award to Brittas) covered in any mainstream newspaper; at least in Indian Express which is associated with this trust. Did anyone get anything other than this Wikipedia article for a Google search of this "Journalism Educational Award".180.149.48.245 (talk) 04:44, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:02, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Not a single reliable source has been produced so far to establish that John Brittas is a recipient of the Ramnath Goenka Award for Excellence in Journalism.180.149.48.245 (talk) 05:33, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- There is a mention of the award here. Salih (talk) 06:43, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks, however the keral.com profile appears to support the facts of his BLP but does little more to establish the award itself as sufficient to justify notability. Fæ (talk) 06:50, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- He appears to be notable even without the Ramnath Goenka Award. See the list of celebrities mentioned here. The article says that "We are presenting the profiles of prominent Malayalees living today." Salih (talk) 07:30, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks, however the keral.com profile appears to support the facts of his BLP but does little more to establish the award itself as sufficient to justify notability. Fæ (talk) 06:50, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- There is a mention of the award here. Salih (talk) 06:43, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:04, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Second relist rationale. The article is a BLP. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:04, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- keral.com is not a reliable source, by any standards. The simple fact that emerges is that we have not found any reliable source to establish the notability of this person. 180.149.48.245 (talk) 08:14, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - as the nominator my opinion should not be seen as a consensus, however it is clear that after reasonable discussion with several people looking for sources that none has been found to support a claim of notability in the sense of WP:BIO. For a deletion it is not required to demonstrate non-notability, only to show that notability is unlikely to demonstrated in the near future. Fæ (talk) 08:41, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I've come round to the delete side of this discussion. There really doesn't seem to be a source to establish his notability. Totnesmartin (talk) 12:38, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep if kerla.com, the website that published the subject's detailed profile, can be considered as a reliable source, otherwise delete. Salih (talk) 14:03, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Non-notable people can be listed and profiled on notable websites, for example not everyone with profiles on myspace, IMDB or bwfc.co.uk is automatically notable even if the organizations running those websites are. Fæ (talk) 15:21, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I think it's not fair to equate keral.com with myspace, IMDB etc. where a registered user can add their own profile. Salih (talk) 15:36, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Non-notable people can be listed and profiled on notable websites, for example not everyone with profiles on myspace, IMDB or bwfc.co.uk is automatically notable even if the organizations running those websites are. Fæ (talk) 15:21, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep The Managing director or dceo of a notable company is notable. DGG ( talk ) 03:33, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, that statement is not supported by the notability guidelines. A MD or DCEO or any other executive has to be notable in their own right. Fæ (talk) 06:43, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.