Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Katarzyna Pikulska

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The result was no consensus‎. There doesn't seem to be agreement that the sources presented show a fully developed article can be written. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:59, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Katarzyna Pikulska

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In sources Pikulska is often only listed. She is not a main character of quoted articles. Many sources only include her among other activists. IMO, there is no notability The Wolak (talk) 11:45, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Women, and Medicine. The Wolak (talk) 11:45, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:33, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Health and fitness, COVID-19, Politics, and Ukraine. Boud (talk) 22:23, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Np pl wiki article, passing mentions - does not seem to meet WP:NBIO/WP:SIGCOV. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:42, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Major figure in the current-day Polish medical rights/medical activism community. Covered in most of the major Polish media outlets for activism from 2017 for trainee doctors' rights, through to 2020 for government handling of the COVID-19 pandemic and being a member of the Consultative Council of a broad range of citizens' activists, and in 2022 for direct help to hospitals in Ukraine during the Russian invasion. In 2016 she was targeted with misinformation by the main government TV station Telewizja Polska (TVP) to devalue her activism as reported in Oko Press - non-notable activists generally don't get attacked that way. Pikulska was head of a major organisation of surgeons, in which role she officially accused government officials of falsification and dangering lives and violating criminal law during the COVID-19 pandemic, e.g. full-article interview in Rzeczpospolita; again in Rzeczpospolita about her Nov 2020 calls for the government to resign; and again in 2022 was notable with a full-article interview in Tok FM about her hands-on activism in helping Ukrainian hospitals and patients. Clearly passes WP:NBASIC: multiple independent sources covering multiple aspects of her activism, with several full-article interviews. Boud (talk) 22:10, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rzeczpospolita is one of Poland's two newspapers of record. Of course, being the subject of misinformation by a major government media organisation - (Telewizja Polska in the case of this particular country) - is often evidence that someone is a notable dissident. Boud (talk) 22:29, 5 November 2023 (UTC) (clarify Boud (talk) 07:03, 6 November 2023 (UTC))[reply]

For a few arbitrary sources not (yet) used in the article, see Onet or Newsweek or Termedia (Termedia [pl] - a Polish medical publisher). Boud (talk) 22:37, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Which of these sources meet SIGCOV for her? Ie. which of them mention her in more than just passing? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:06, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please look at the sources, there are paragraphs full of material about her to satisfy the GNG: Lekarka skarży wojewodę i ministra zdrowia. Bo wybory korespondencyjne to zagrożenie, Nie złamał jej hejt TVP. Kim jest młoda lekarka, która walczy z Szumowskim?, Kłamstwa na temat Katarzyny Pikulskiej, Katarzyna Pikulska: Dymisja rządu albo strajk generalny. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 23:34, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support, there is no indication of the lasting notability Marcelus (talk) 09:34, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NBASIC: People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. Just to take one of the many articles that are fully devoted as interviews with Pikulska: Katarzyna Pikulska: Infection statistics are misleading:
1. Pikulska's name is in the title of the article;
2. Pikulska's photo heads the top of the article;
3. Rzeczpospolita is one of Poland's two newspapers of record;
4. the entire article is an interview with Pikulska, with the interviewer's questions each followed by Pikulska's opinions.
@The Wolak, Piotrus, and Marcelus: In what sense is this April 2020 article on COVID-19 pandemic related issues not significantly presenting Pikulska as a sociopolitically relevant person in Poland for events prior to the November 2020 protests? Is Rzeczpospolita controlled by Pikulska (e.g. she funds it, she owns it - please provide sources)? The COVID-19 pandemic was one of the dominating socio-political issues in April 2020.
@The Wolak: Do you still claim that Pikulska is not a main character of this Rzeczpospolita article?
@Piotrus: Do you still claim that Pikulska is just given a passing mention in this article?
Keep in mind that in an AfD, you are expected to look at the existing sources, and look for other sources. Boud (talk) 21:58, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. The interview is with her, not about her. It does little to estabilish her notability. She can have a Wikipedia article about her when independent, reliable sources cover her life and activities, not just ask her to speak about Polish medicine/politics/etc. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:53, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep multiyear appearances, subject of state-media smear, recognised leader of doctors' struggle, satisfies BASIC/GNG.^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]

References

^ Rutkiewicz, Paweł (22 April 2020). "Lekarka skarży wojewodę i ministra zdrowia. Bo wybory korespondencyjne to zagrożenie". warszawa.wyborcza.pl (in Polish).
^ Żądło, Agnieszka (1 May 2020). "Nie złamał jej hejt TVP. Kim jest młoda lekarka, która walczy z Szumowskim?". Newsweek (in Polish). Dwa lata temu stała się twarzą głodówki lekarzy rezydentów. Telewizja Polska zrobiła z niej wtedy pławiącą się w luksusach podróżniczkę. Teraz znów jest o niej głośno, bo ortopeda Katarzyna Pikulska oskarża ministra zdrowia Łukasza Szumowskiego i wojewodę mazowieckiego Konstantego Radziwiłła o złamanie kodeksu etyki lekarskiej.
^ "Protest głodowy Męczennicy sprawy". biennalewarszawa.pl (in Polish). Katarzyna Pikulska – lekarka, uczestniczka misji medycznych m.in. w Kurdystanie i Tanzanii, brała udział w ubiegłorocznym proteście głodowym lekarzy rezydentów.
^ Mierzynska, Anna (20 January 2023). "Pereira, Świrski i Nisztor mają uczyć o dezinformacji. Chociaż nie o tym, jak ją robić". oko.press (in Polish). Manipulacje TVP wzbudziły oburzenie. Ostatecznie Samuel Pereira przeprosił Katarzynę Pikulską i poinformował, że autor materiału o rezydentach został zawieszony.

Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 01:27, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The first two are reasonably reliable, but SIGCOV and ONEVENT are an issue. There are two-three paragraphs about her. It's a start but IMHO it is not enough yet. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:56, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 19:15, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Boud and Goldsztajn. Cheers, Dan the Animator 21:42, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support as she has no publications indexed in MEDLINE as opposed to Roxana Moslehi --Maxim Masiutin (talk) 22:52, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Pikulska is notable for medical rights activism, not for medical research. Roxana Moslehi is a medical researcher. Boud (talk) 17:05, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] Rutkiewicz, Paweł (22 April 2020). "Lekarka skarży wojewodę i ministra zdrowia. Bo wybory korespondencyjne to zagrożenie". warszawa.wyborcza.pl (in Polish).

[2] Żądło, Agnieszka (1 May 2020). "Nie złamał jej hejt TVP. Kim jest młoda lekarka, która walczy z Szumowskim?". Newsweek (in Polish). Dwa lata temu stała się twarzą głodówki lekarzy rezydentów. Telewizja Polska zrobiła z niej wtedy pławiącą się w luksusach podróżniczkę. Teraz znów jest o niej głośno, bo ortopeda Katarzyna Pikulska oskarża ministra zdrowia Łukasza Szumowskiego i wojewodę mazowieckiego Konstantego Radziwiłła o złamanie kodeksu etyki lekarskiej.

[3] "Protest głodowy Męczennicy sprawy". biennalewarszawa.pl (in Polish). Katarzyna Pikulska – lekarka, uczestniczka misji medycznych m.in. w Kurdystanie i Tanzanii, brała udział w ubiegłorocznym proteście głodowym lekarzy rezydentów.

[4] Mierzynska, Anna (20 January 2023). "Pereira, Świrski i Nisztor mają uczyć o dezinformacji. Chociaż nie o tym, jak ją robić". oko.press (in Polish). Manipulacje TVP wzbudziły oburzenie. Ostatecznie Samuel Pereira przeprosił Katarzynę Pikulską i poinformował, że autor materiału o rezydentach został zawieszony.

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