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The result was delete.  Sandstein  08:24, 11 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of deceased space travelers

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A list of causes of death of people that have been in Space, most of the deaths are not related to being a "space traveler" and we have plenty of list already available with this information. List of astronauts by name, List of space travelers by name, wikipedia is not a place for random lists. MilborneOne (talk) 17:50, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep this is not remotely random, its about a timeline of when space travelers have died. List of space travelers by name has no references for deaths, and is full of living astronauts making the the topic of death diluted. There is not "plenty of list"s available, as some lists do not include spaceflight particpants, and others do not include death statistics. Fotaun (talk) 18:00, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:12, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - all space travellers are listed at List of space travelers by name which includes information on those that have died, it doesnt need a separate list particularly as most of the deaths are not related to them being space travellers. MilborneOne (talk) 18:17, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I disagree, as that has 3 references and none for the death statistics. There is already a great deal of duplication, for example List of cosmonauts, List of space travelers by nationality, and List of astronauts by name. The fact is no article covers the same category of deaths and scope, which is why I started this article. Fotaun (talk) 18:26, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. As some editors know, I'm generally very inclusive when a list meets WP:CLN or WP:LISTPURP but here I do agree that the list is needless offshoot of List of space travelers by name, which does included death dates. The list creator is correct in that he is including additional data on the circumstances of each death -- but since many of those are of various natural causes, apparently unrelated to space travel, I think we do have a bona fide case of WP:INDISCRIMINATE here. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:20, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: That article has 3 references, and its hard to argue duplication is not allowed in the right context when we have List of cosmonauts, List of space travelers by nationality, and List of astronauts by name. Maybe merge Fotaun (talk) 18:27, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
As far as this merge suggestion, List of space travelers by name currently only seems to list cause of death if it's related to space travel. There may well be objections if you started populating it with these other causes of death. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:36, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Right, one more reason why I made this article: It has a different scope. If I merged it I probably would follow that articles style and save the date. Fotaun (talk) 19:17, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions. MilborneOne (talk) 18:21, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Per nom. What's next, "List of space travelers who broke their legs in car accidents on Valentine's Day under a full moon on a Tuesday in July while it was raining"? - BilCat (talk) 18:33, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, I don't think that is a relevant comparison. Fotaun (talk) 19:18, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It's a humorous exaggeration to make a point. - BilCat (talk) 19:23, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
There is no connection between your exaggeration and the article. How is recording the death of astronauts irrelevant when nearly each death makes national news, and death is recorded in every biography. Fotaun (talk) 19:53, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
If you saw the relevance, you wouldn't have created the article in the first place. - BilCat (talk) 20:05, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
OK we can agree on that, and I can respect your view on this. Fotaun (talk) 20:45, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, How can you argue its hard to maintain when the premise for this deletion is that its already included on all these other lists? How is it maintained on all these other lists, it must not be a problem. Fotaun (talk) 19:20, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom and per user User:BilCat — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.233.214.74 (talk) 18:58, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Random intersection of characteristics, the information can be incorporated into other existing lists if desired. Jellyman (talk) 19:19, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
How is dead astronauts "random" when death is often the 2nd or 3rd fact in biographies of people. Fotaun (talk) 19:37, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It isn't, though. Year of birth and date (XXXX-XXXX) would be in parentheses in the WP:FIRSTSENTENCE, but that a space traveler died at an advanced age of natural causes, that would often be much lower down, often near the very end. And again, (XXXX-XXXX) is already in the existing list. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:12, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. Fotaun (talk) 19:50, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. Fotaun (talk) 22:23, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Fotaun (talk) 22:35, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - these two attributes, the fact they're dead and the fact they went to space, are unconnected to each other and have no contextual intersection. As a result it's not an obvious or reasonable connection. If it was people who died in space then it would be a connection as the death and the space travel would be connected, or people who died as part of the space programs, but as it is the two characteristics are unconnected. Canterbury Tail talk 02:49, 4 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Here is the connection between space travel and there deaths: it is highly notable when astronauts die. Even obscure ones make the news, and famous astronauts are national news. Every time an astronaut dies the historians and journalists go to work, so it seemed like straight forward choice for a Wikipedia article. Thanks. Fotaun (talk) 14:08, 4 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I was trying to understand how this did not fit in with the List of astronauts which has dozens of lists. In studying the five pillars of wikipedia I found my answer Wikipedia is an encyclopedia: It combines many features of general and specialized encyclopedias, almanacs, and gazetteers. For an encyclopedia of astronauts, I have a conviction this article would be appropriate. However, I can respect that people find this obtuse (or however you would word it) in a general encyclopedia. Thank you Fotaun (talk) 14:03, 4 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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