Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of The Avengers and The New Avengers cast members

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep and (it is to be hoped) improve. JohnCD (talk) 09:45, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

List of The Avengers and The New Avengers cast members

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Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, this is a clear example. PatGallacher (talk) 21:35, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The Avengers is a very notable series and this list is very useful as a reference point for browsing articles on actors who appeared in ITC productions in the 1960s and by series in List of actors by British television series. "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information" is a poor call and is based on nothing but your own opinion. The same could be said about thousands of articles and lists we have on wikipedia. I could say the same thing about certain court cases involving footballers..♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:55, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information" is not just my own opinion, it is a well-established guideline, see WP:INDISCRIMINATE. PatGallacher (talk) 22:32, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information" is still subject to personal opinion on what meets it. Given that we have thousands of articles on fictional characters and TV episodes I fail to see how a comprehensive list of actors in a very notable series is radically different. Evidently you are unaware of Category:Lists of actors by British television series ♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:26, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Especially as I was asked to complete the list and I have provided a source. This article has had one attempt to delete see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Avengers and New Avengers cast members and its reason for retention has not changed. in fact I am completing it.REVUpminster (talk) 22:43, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:41, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:41, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or Move&Refocus to List of The Avengers and The New Avengers characters (or a similar name), which for some strange reason doesn't appear to exist. The current list does not discriminate between actors who appeared on the show for five minutes or five years, therefore WP:NOT#INDISCRIMINATE and WP:NOT#DIR. If such a distinction was made, then we'd end up with a character list of the most important/notable characters, not a dump load of British actors of the 60's and 70's. – sgeureka ^t•c 05:45, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's a list of actors who appeared in a very notable series which I personally think is comprehensive and useful. It would be redundant to have a character list when we already have articles on the main characters.♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:21, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There's all sorts of things we can do with this as a springboard. For example, I quite like the source, Saints and Avengers: British Adventure Series of the 1960s. But such development of fully rounded coverage of the period and genre is a matter of ordinary editing not deletion. The casting for these shows must have effectively been an ensemble as they drew from the same pool of actors. Note that we have numerous Lists of actors and it seems helpful to organise these in ways that are useful to our readership. Warden (talk) 10:02, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's a list of a freaking 1100 actors! You might as well name this List of British 60's and 70's actors who appeared on The Avengers and The New Avengers, and you're close to the WP:NOT#DIR silliness of "People from ethnic/cultural/religious group X employed by organization Y". So, you need to cut it down by some measure. A refocus on the characters not only cuts down on the insignifanct roles, but also gives a place to provide a context for the actors' names (character arc, episode appearances etc.). – sgeureka ^t•c 10:31, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Again you are entitled to your own opinion. The list intended to be a comprehensive list of actors who have appeared in the Avengers. Plain and simple.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:43, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Another source is The Avengers which seems to contain extensive details of the casting. Warden (talk) 09:49, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It needs urgent restructuring to be more useful (adding characters, maybe dividing by episode/season), but it's a list of (mostly) notable people. Deleting it is unlikely to lead to it being improved. The TV series is covered by multiple books so sourcing should not be a problem.[1][2][3] --Colapeninsula (talk) 09:50, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I can see a reason for splitting New Avengers from The Avengers but I'd have to disagree on splitting by season as a number of actors appeared in several episodes across the seasons in different roles! Of course one could state what episodes next to the actors name like List of Doctor Who cast members but it would require a lot of work to do that and I'm not sure that list looks the tidiest..♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:02, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Nominator's argument holds no ground. The article only needs some urgent restructuring. Joyson Prabhu ^{Holla at me!} 12:31, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per above - an essential list. Shahid • ^Talk2me 18:19, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Snow Keep WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE does not apply here. That said, anything can be cleaned up. - Jorgath (talk) ^(contribs) 19:54, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Improve as it is it is just a list of names and isn't any different than "Category by television show" cats which were removed from actor pages several years ago. At the very least the name of the episode(s) should be added and the character(s) played would be nice as well. MarnetteD | Talk 01:08, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and improve. It is quite true that at present the list is much less useful than it could be. At the very least the role should be added, and preferably also the episodes and dates . I think it was quite right for the nom to call attention to it, but the remedy is improvement, not deletion. When there is so many unsatisfactory articles that are essentially junk incapable of improvement, it always puzzles me why people should want to eliminate the articles that can be improved. DGG ( talk ) 19:10, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.