Talk:Joost mag het weten

mag

@Lingo Bingo Dingo I (speaker from Eindhoven) pronounce mag here with a voiced /ɣ/, and also do so in other cases. Is revoicing of final consonants a dialectal feature? —Rua (mew) 13:05, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

@Rua I'm not sure whether the revoicing or the devoicing is dialectal in this context. It is absent from my dialect but that's exactly what you would expect. Any idea whether the voicing comes from assimilation with the /ɦ/? Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 13:39, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Either way, I'm fine with replacing /x/ with /ɣ/. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 13:44, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

It's not from the /ɦ/ because I also do it in mag ik /mɑɣək/ or mag dat /mɑɣdɑ/. It does strike me as a regional feature, I'm just not sure how widespread it is. Also, a fun little fact: the /ɦ/ in the article het is actually a spelling pronunciation. The more original pronunciation is just /(ə)t/, as evidenced by Middle Dutch, where it's actually a contracted form of dat, not of het. —Rua (mew) 14:21, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

@Morgengave, do you know people who use /ɣ/ in this context?
In my opinion, if it is more or less a North/South phenomenon, we should either have the Southern pronunciation or preferably have both, because the Northern form is just standard devoicing. And that part about het was interesting. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 10:52, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

In Belgium, as far as I know, -ch (x) and -g (ɣ) are normally distinct sounds. So, for "mag", it is not the -ch sound as in "lach" or "macht", but a (proper) -g sound like in "dag". Morgengave (talk) 13:59, 16 November 2017 (UTC)