User talk:Danielsltt
Removal of located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) on Swedish county roads
Might I ask why you removed located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) from the Swedish county roads like Q114244781? QubeCube (talk) 12:22, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
- Because a territorial entity of administration for this subdivisional element doesn't really exist in Swedish jurisdiction. Counties being administrative units, yes, however they technically have no mandate over anything, let alone themselves, which is why there exists parallell subdivisions for practically the same geographic areas that are called Region Skåne for example (Wikidata item Q3232565)
- County is in itself a bit of a getting lost in translation from the Swedish word "län" since we would never translate the counties of anglosaxian jurisdictions into "län" in Swedish, hence the issue. In short, it is factually incorrect to call the 21 Swedish "län" administrative territorial entities as they are not in fact territorial entities, only administrative subdivisions (for the sake of legality) - hence it would be better suited to include only the municipalities in that property for the county roads Danielsltt (talk) 12:35, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
- See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_administrative_boards_of_Sweden for reference. In the Swedish version, I translate: "The county board is the state's regional representative and acts as a link between the counties and the state. The head of the county board is appointed by the government and is called the governor." Danielsltt (talk) 12:38, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
- I also should correct that I did not remove the property P131, only the counties (which if there is no municipality referenced would look as if I removed the property). If one wanted to use a Swedish county to indicate the location of some Wikidata item, location (P276) would be the correct property for it .. Danielsltt (talk) 12:41, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
- https://www.riksdagen.se/sv/dokument-och-lagar/dokument/svensk-forfattningssamling/forordning-2017868-med-lansstyrelseinstruktion_sfs-2017-868/ Since you claim to be a native Swedish speaker this should do Danielsltt (talk) 12:53, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
- Ja då kan vi ta det på svenska istället. Län existerar i allra högsta grad som en administrativ enhet och reglerar det område som länsstyrelsen, respektive regionerna som organisation agerar inom. Att länet i sig inte är en organisation med ett mandat för agerande gör inte att länet existerar mindre. Lagen du hänvisar till ger inte stöd för din mening utan visar bara på vilket ämnesområden som länsstyrelsen i ett län ska hantera inom sin verksamhet. QubeCube (talk) 13:02, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
- Fast det är en annan fråga. En administrativ enhet är inte vad P131 används för utan självständiga juridiska personer som hanterar ett visst geografiskt område (territorium). Alltså är det i Sverige landsting som ska in under P131 då Sveriges län inte uppfyller kraven för att vara en självreglerad juridisk person på 2nd administrative level så som vore fallet i andra länder, måhända - det beror på vilket land du tittar på. Danielsltt (talk) 13:09, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
- Ja då kan vi ta det på svenska istället. Län existerar i allra högsta grad som en administrativ enhet och reglerar det område som länsstyrelsen, respektive regionerna som organisation agerar inom. Att länet i sig inte är en organisation med ett mandat för agerande gör inte att länet existerar mindre. Lagen du hänvisar till ger inte stöd för din mening utan visar bara på vilket ämnesområden som länsstyrelsen i ett län ska hantera inom sin verksamhet. QubeCube (talk) 13:02, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
- https://www.riksdagen.se/sv/dokument-och-lagar/dokument/svensk-forfattningssamling/forordning-2017868-med-lansstyrelseinstruktion_sfs-2017-868/ Since you claim to be a native Swedish speaker this should do Danielsltt (talk) 12:53, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
- I also should correct that I did not remove the property P131, only the counties (which if there is no municipality referenced would look as if I removed the property). If one wanted to use a Swedish county to indicate the location of some Wikidata item, location (P276) would be the correct property for it .. Danielsltt (talk) 12:41, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
- Well, before going micromanaging this by editing single roads, perhaps there needs to be a larger discussion about what administrative territorial entity of Sweden (Q914262) means. Since county of Sweden (Q200547) is using it on Wikidata it's de facto this in a Wikidata point of view (and removing it without discussion will probably destroy templates, maps and queries all over the wikiverse), so removing it from individual items could be seen as demonstrative edits. Ainali (talk) 14:53, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
- I agree. Most of my edits had municipalities in the P131 of them, which is why I didn't consider it disruptive. Danielsltt (talk) 15:01, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
- Good that you agree, then we will just need to revert every single one that didn't have it. Ainali (talk) 18:05, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
- I agree. Most of my edits had municipalities in the P131 of them, which is why I didn't consider it disruptive. Danielsltt (talk) 15:01, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
- See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_administrative_boards_of_Sweden for reference. In the Swedish version, I translate: "The county board is the state's regional representative and acts as a link between the counties and the state. The head of the county board is appointed by the government and is called the governor." Danielsltt (talk) 12:38, 22 November 2023 (UTC)