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[edit]Hi Yejianfei! I just wanted to let you know that I deleted an item Q14551692 that you had created for your user page links. On Wikidata, items cannot be created for user pages (according to WD:Notability). Thanks, The Anonymouse (talk) 05:12, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
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[edit]Hello, please do not create items including links to template subpages. Per Wikidata:Notability they do not have place here in Wikidata. Thank you. Matěj Suchánek (talk) 11:47, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- I don't understand, please give me the wrong example. --Yejianfei (talk) 18:25, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Cousins
[edit]Hi Yejianfei,
It's old, but I just noticed your comment on Talk:Q76666 when working on Wikidata:WikiProject Parenthood/lists/kinship types.
This lead me to Q10930507. It would be great if we had items for Chinese family/kinship/relationship terms. Even if they don't have an English label, descriptions in English were most helpful. I could then try to add statements based on that. If items already exist, they would show they had instance of (P31).
--- Jura 17:42, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
- There are two different pages for 表親 (maternal cousin) and 堂亲 (paternal cousin) in Chinese Wikipedia. How should I link? --Yejianfei (talk) 17:59, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
- I'd make a new item. Even for terms without a separate article in zhwiki, it's worth making new items. Ideally they should be linked from other items or have external links describing them.
--- Jura 18:02, 21 October 2017 (UTC)- Then we need two different pages in Wikidata, namely Q10930507 (堂親, paternal cousin) and Q42298986 (表親, maternal cousin). --Yejianfei (talk) 18:34, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
- Maybe we need additional items, as "maternal cousin" might not include father's sisters children. I just found https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/paternal_cousin and https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/maternal_cousin which has Chinese translations. I think for some we might already have items.
--- Jura 19:05, 21 October 2017 (UTC)- So maybe "pure masculine cousin" and "non-pure masculine cousin" for translation from 堂親 and 表親 respectively? That sucks. --Yejianfei (talk) 19:07, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
- Maybe we need additional items, as "maternal cousin" might not include father's sisters children. I just found https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/paternal_cousin and https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/maternal_cousin which has Chinese translations. I think for some we might already have items.
- Then we need two different pages in Wikidata, namely Q10930507 (堂親, paternal cousin) and Q42298986 (表親, maternal cousin). --Yejianfei (talk) 18:34, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
- I'd make a new item. Even for terms without a separate article in zhwiki, it's worth making new items. Ideally they should be linked from other items or have external links describing them.
- There are two different pages for 表親 (maternal cousin) and 堂亲 (paternal cousin) in Chinese Wikipedia. How should I link? --Yejianfei (talk) 17:59, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
Actually, Chinese can be very accurate in kinship.
堂親 or 堂亲 includes:
- 堂哥 father's brother's son who is older than oneself
- 堂弟 father's brother's son who is younger than oneself
- 堂姐 father's brother's daughter who is older than oneself
- 堂妹 father's brother's daughter who is younger than oneself
表親 or 表亲 includes:
- 表哥
- 姑表哥 father's sister's son who is older than oneself
- 舅表哥 mother's brother's son who is older than oneself
- 姨表哥 mother's sister's son who is older than oneself
- 表弟
- 姑表弟 father's sister's son who is younger than oneself
- 舅表弟 mother's brother's son who is younger than oneself
- 姨表弟 mother's sister's son who is younger than oneself
- 表姐
- 姑表姐 father's sister's daughter who is older than oneself
- 舅表姐 mother's brother's daughter who is older than oneself
- 姨表姐 mother's sister's daughter who is older than oneself
- 表妹
- 姑表妹 father's sister's daughter who is younger than oneself
- 舅表妹 mother's brother's daughter who is younger than oneself
- 姨表妹 mother's sister's daughter who is younger than oneself
--Yejianfei (talk) 19:18, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
- I think we could do items for all of them. We just need to figure out the best way to describe them. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:zh:Family has quite a few, but we can't link Wiktionary pages of this type. I tried the first one at Q42301043.
--- Jura 21:42, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
Chinese terms for kinship are always extremely accurate. Not only for "cousins", but also for uncles and aunts, and even uncles-in-law and aunts-in-law. There are different terms for different types of uncles, aunts, uncles-in-law and aunts-in-law, namely
| Formal | Informal | Meaning |
|---|---|---|
| 伯父 | 伯伯 | father's elder brother |
| 伯母 | (use the formal term) | father's elder brother's wife |
| 叔父 | 叔叔 | father's younger brother |
| 婶母/嬸母 | 婶婶/嬸嬸 | father's younger brother's wife |
| 姑母 | 姑姑 or 姑妈/姑媽 | father's sister |
| 姑夫 | (use the formal term) | father's sister's husband |
| 舅父 | 舅舅 | mother's brother |
| 舅母 | 舅妈/舅媽 | mother's brother's wife |
| 姨母 | 姨妈/姨媽 | mother's sister |
| 姨夫 | (use the formal term) | mother's sister's husband |
Also, accurate terms for grandparents and grandchildren.
| Formal | Informal | Meaning |
|---|---|---|
| 祖父 | 爷爷/爺爺 | paternal grandfather (father's father) |
| 祖母 | 奶奶 | paternal grandmother (father's mother) |
| 外祖父 | 外公 or 姥爷/姥爺 | maternal grandfather (mother's father) |
| 外祖母 | 外婆 or 姥姥 | maternal grandmother (mother's mother) |
| 孙子/孫子 | (use the formal term) | paternal grandson (son's son) |
| 孙女/孫女 | (use the formal term) | paternal granddaughter (son's daughter) |
| 外孙/外孫 | (use the formal term) | maternal grandson (daughter's son) |
| 外孙女/外孫女 | (use the formal term) | maternal granddaughter (daughter's daughter) |
Note: A slash (/) is hereby used for seperating simplified Chinese characters and traditional Chinese characters. --Yejianfei (talk) 02:13, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
We do have:
- Q20776741: maternal grandmother
- Q20776692: maternal grandfather
- Q20776714: paternal grandmother
- Q19682162: paternal grandfather
- Q23684609: son's son (I'm not sure if "paternal" works in this context).
Maybe they can go on these. BTW, the list is updated daily by bot (there is a link on the right top corner to update it on demand).
I just made Q42302285. I will try to follow your format.
--- Jura 06:00, 22 October 2017 (UTC)