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Please follow below criteria to suggest new tests for inclusion;

1. The test must already exist and must have been suggested by media personalities, journalists or academics.

2. The test should have quantifiable criteria, so others can easily evaluate with little bias. (May not be a binary Yes/No Only)

3. Please provide atleast two passed examples.

4. Can be specific to a particular format, language or world region/continent/country.

5. Atleast one reference of its use or description by news or a verifiable online source.

6. Combination tests of already existing tests (i.e. Crystal Gems Test) will not be included, as they may cause duplication issues. And the results for them can be retrieved with simple data analysis of the other tests.

Tests already under discussion or in-development are the; DuVernay test, Latif Test, Ellen Willis/Gender-Swap test, Tauriel test, Raleigh Becket test, Topside test, Deggans' rule/test, ABW (Angry Black Woman) test, Kimberly Peirce test, and/or Koeze-Dottle test.

Please suggest other public media tests to be included here:

Reverse Tests

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Positive Male Representation tests

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MacGyver test

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Description

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A film has to meet one of the following criteria:

  • plot does not require the absence of the mother for the father to be portrayed as a competent dad.
This character may be the protagonist or, if there is no male protagonist or this criterion can not be applied to the protagonist (no father), one of the main characters. A relatively minor character does not count. If there is no male main character or the mother is absent this criterion is not applicable.
To be considered a competent father the male character needs to be shown as providing care work and/or domestic work relatively independently
  • [relatively kind], honest, hard-working man is in a successful or leadership position and/or is not a chump
This character may be the protagonist or, if there is no male protagonist, the most important male main character. A relatively minor character does not count. If there is no male character this criterion is not applicable
  • Female protagonist shows interest in the male protagonist before he is the hero [or achieves some form of material success, influence or power]
This may not be applicable to male protagonists that are shown as relatively influential, materially successful or generally attractive to women from the beginning
As this test centers on male-female dynamics this criterion cannot be counted towards Queer relationships. Exceptions may exist. If there are no heterosexual protagonists that fall in love or the male protagonist is shown as relatively influential, materially successful or generally attractive to women from the beginning this criterion is not applicable
  • Male protagonist solves problems in creative ways, and only uses violence as a last resort to accomplish his goals or mission.)
physical, emotional, psychological violence and other forms of violence count, manipulating and exploiting other persons does not count as solving problems in a creative way
If there is a female protagonist the most important male main character may count unless he clearly fails criterion 2 and if he is almost equal to the female protagonist as to screen time and importance to the plot. If there is no male main character this criterion is not applicable.

If none of the criteria is applicable, the film should be scored as "non applicable"

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Examples for passing films

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(from my memory):

- Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 14:12, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Test Matrix

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Films Overall result Paternal MacGyver Test Competent MacGyver Test Romance MacGyver Test Creative MacGyver Test
Mirai of the Future (Q45865176) pass pass rather pass na ?
Pop Redemption (Q3397906) pass pass fail (not successful) na fail
Dark Waters (Q60617937) pass ? pass na pass
La La Land (Q20856802) pass na pass pass fail (rather not creative - would pass this wording)
The Rescuers (Q39722) pass na fail (not successful) pass pass
Romeo + Juliet (Q463313) pass na ? pass fail
Murder on the Orient Express (Q3241699) pass na pass na pass
U – July 22 (Q48550528) na na na na na
Paterson (Q23817035) fail na fail (not successful) na fail (rather not creative - could pass this wording; but he is rather quite passive and does not actively develop solutions to problems)
Ride Your Wave (Q62129109) pass na pass fail pass
Cast Away (Q213411) pass na pass na pass
Manchester by the Sea (Q19864603) fail fail fail na fail
Escape from New York (Q403033) fail na fail na fail
Girl (Q51843955) pass na rather fail na pass
A Shaun the Sheep Movie: Farmageddon (Q56277622) pass na pass na pass
The Changeling (Q1168623) pass na pass na pass
The Crimson Rivers (Q854635) fail na rather fail na fail
Lovelace (Q3072040) fail na fail na fail
The Cameraman (Q2138984) pass na fail rather pass pass

Discussion

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@Valentina.Anitnelav: Any ideas on Modelling if more than one criteria is passed. Should it be similar to 1/4 & 3/4? or specify the criteria?

@Wallacegromit1: I think we should specify the criteria .
I fear this test will be one of the last to add as this is the one with the most room for subjectivity - maybe we could start with using this page to collect cases that fail or pass and see how it works? And if we feel confident enough we can add them to items...
I also think of cases where a film clearly fails one criterion but also passes another (e.g. a dishonest, successful man in a leadership position solving his problems in a "clever" way without violence in a narrower sense but e.g. deceiving other persons). I feel like the last criterion should generally exclude the pursuit of extremely egoistic goals on the cost of other persons interest (this is somehow related to violence but maybe not always marked as violence in a literal sense, but rather "scheming" or similar activities). As to the last criterion I also find the clause "and only uses violence as a last resort to accomplish his goals or mission" difficult - we should probably specify that violence can never be a last resort for "ordinary" personal goals and that this can just apply for cases like "saving the world" "saving the life of (an)other person(s)" or when it comes to self-defence. Probably we should also specify that "getting the girl" does generally not count as a problem to be solved in a creative way - this feels just kind of odd to me (but there may be cases, of course, that may count, e.g. in cases of creative conflict solving or something like that)
I will look for other examples where this was applied (I could not find many, unfortunately, and the passage by Nikita Coulombe does not include passing films - just the conjecture "It’s hard to come up with a movie that passes just one of the criteria let alone all of them.") - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 11:52, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Valentina.Anitnelav:

Agreed, we may have to start with works on the limits of these criteria, to see if they pass or fail, and then set a standard. Very tricky, as all criteria are too broad.

I did find this link of macgyver test passed films, but it has a different 3 point/criteria version of this test with only the last criteria, which also nails the spirit of the test. I wonder if we could make a different test for the other criteria as well. Example:

Paternal MacGyver Test -

1. The story has a male-identifying protagonist, who is also a father.

2. The father should be competent.

3. There must also be a mother (either biological or adoptive), who is a part of raising the child in some way. (Not an absentee mother).

We can combine the second and third criteria together to form,

Competent MacGyver Test -

1. The story has a male-identifying protagonist

2. [relatively kind], honest, hard-working man is in a successful or leadership position and/or is not a chump

3. Female protagonist shows interest in the male protagonist before he is the hero [or achieves some form of material success, influence or power]

MacGyver Test/Creative MacGyver Test -

The last criteria is from the website,

1. The story has a male-identifying protagonist

2. Who solves problems in creative, intelligent and/or non-violent ways

3. And who never resorts to violence or only uses violence as an absolute last resort.

Wallacegromit1 (talk) 12:31, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Valentina.Anitnelav: Thanks for the Test Matrix! What is the Romance Macgyver Test? Wallacegromit1 (talk) 08:27, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Wallacegromit1: "Romance Macgyver Test" refers to the third criterion (Female protagonist shows interest in the male protagonist before he is the hero [or achieves some form of material success, influence or power]) - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 09:40, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Villarreal Test (Film, Miniseries, Theatre and Books Only. Not Long Form TV)

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A movie fails if:

  • A lead female character is introduced as one of three common stereotypes in her first scene:
  • as sexualized;
  • as hardened, expressionless or soulless;
  • or as a matriarch (tired, older or overworked)

But a failing movie can redeem itself and pass if the lead female character is later shown to be three or more of the following:

  1. Someone with a career where she is in a position of authority or power
  2. A mother
  3. Someone who’s reckless or makes bad decisions
  4. Someone who is sexual or chooses a sexual identity of her own


Source

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Examples of passing films

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Examples of failing films

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From Villarreal Test

Discussion

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  • Looks also good. I added Moana (Q18647981) as an example of a failing film as I find this interesting; this probably refers to her grandmother and it probably fails the matriarch clause (she is older). But I thought that she would fulfill the redeeming criterion 2 (a mother) and possibly criterion 3) (position of authority or power - but this may be dubious). So probably these redeeming criteria only count if it is part of her storyline - so if she becomes a mother or if she gets into a position of authority or power. It generally seems to me that films with an older female lead may have a harder time to pass than others (if every female character that is older should fall under the matriarch clause, no matter her position or her esprit), which is a bit sad (but, of course, every test has its shortcomings :) ) Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 12:30, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • After some thought I think that the "older" should probably not be applied in an absolute but rather in a relative sense (she is introduced as the "older woman" - what would be the case by being introduced as the grandmother). If you have a film about, say, two friends in their 70s and they are introduced as friends and not in relationship to their grandchildren it would probably not fail the "matriarch" clause? This would make sense to me as she should not be introduced as older. @Wallacegromit1: - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 12:59, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Another thought: the "a mother" probably only refers to women who still need to take care of their children (so not mothers of adults). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 13:13, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]


@Valentina.Anitnelav:
I think the test is trying to say that women do not just end up as sad and tired matriarchs, as the quote from the article "You know, they act like real people" suggests. And, women do not need to be introduced this way, it can happen later in the movie.
Lipstick Under My Burkha (Q27536760) - Passes as it has a older overworked matriarch, who explores her sexuality.
Badhaai Ho (Q48734430) - Passes as it has a middle aged woman, who gets pregnant, and the film deals with there children and society dealing with parents continued sexuality.
Dilwale Dulhania Le Jayenge (Q849343) - All the matriarchs (ranging from middle aged to octagenarians) are introduced happy and/or jolly. "Older" certainly, but not in a "I am too old for this now, I am all alone or have this medical condition" way, if that makes sense. Those scenes do happen later on though.
Luck by Chance (Q1873709) and Dil Dhadakne Do (Q17051888) - The middle aged mothers/matriarchs are introduced with confidence, either as calculating careerists or high society socialisers.
The Truth (Q64666990) - Passes automatically, as the matriarch is introduced as someone with power and not overworked. It has been a while since I saw this, so may need a recheck.
The Babadook (Q16011764) is an interesting example of a matriarch tired and overworked, who eventually becomes "a mother", where things are not perfect but can be better, But ofcourse she is still young.
In season 2 of Fargo (Q15931555), the matriarch becomes stronger and gains more power as the show goes on, she does not live until the end, but she would pass this test due to criterion 1 and 3. Ofcourse this test is not for long form TV, but I will include this test for anthology series as well.
Meet the Fockers (Q740489), The Proposal (Q108586), Enola Holmes (Q65032692), Mamma Mia! (Q188850), and especially Mamma Mia! Here We Go Again (Q36951175) are introduced as bohemian, progressive, "modern" not "older" in spirit, energetic and just plain fabulous!
I hope these clarify the spirit of the test? The test only applies to women introduced in a certain stereotypical manner. Perfect question, as we may need to think of having lists like these created for others who may have this similar issue, especially in translating these criteria.
@Valentina.Anitnelav: Wallacegromit1 (talk) 13:46, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Wallacegromit1: The grandmother at Moana (Q18647981) is not introduced as a tired matriarch but actually as a imaginative storyteller ([youtube for reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxywDhAGgyo&t=140]). She would actually fit your "Dilwale Dulhania Le Jayenge (Q849343) - All the matriarchs (ranging from middle aged to octagenarians) are introduced happy and/or jolly" case. Unfortunately there is no reason why Moana failed so I can only guess that it is because of the grandmother. If the grandmother fails, "older" would be probably a criterion for itself, next to "tired" or "overworked". - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 14:09, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
We should probably clarify "being introduced as older": e.g. "being introduced as a grandmother" or "being introduced as someone who passes along her knowledge, wisdom and/or experience" - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 14:32, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Another issue here is that the grandmother is arguably not even a lead but just a supporting character. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 14:44, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Valentina.Anitnelav:
1. Interesting. I just saw the video, I think it should pass. The only thing I could think of is that she is telling an ancestral story, or storytelling to young kids is considered an "older thing", or a trope of what grandparents are expected to do. But that just seems silly, as to me the scene is breaking that trope with the kind of story she is telling combined with her facial expressions when the man arrives. It may have been an oversight, should I ask the writer? Or, we could call storytelling as being part of an age related trope. Or, we could just call it dubious (Q104378399) or disputed (Q18912752).
2. Mohabbatein (Q1135349) - There is a headmistress of a girls college/dorm, who is introduced as she is putting on lipstick. I would not consider that scene sexual, and more of a wink to the actress Helen (Q467223)'s previous works in the 70's, where she was portrayed in sexualised manners, but with significant agency. If we follow the Moana (Q18647981) example, then Mohabbatein (Q1135349) and Dilwale Dulhania Le Jayenge (Q849343) would not pass either, as the point is being applied too strictly. Where as we are allowing room for limited subjectivity, which the Villarreal Test in particular asks us to see how women evolve, or how those stereotypes are broken.
3. I believe a lot of those tests may want to be revised by the creators, as they only intended most of them to be used only once for the 2017 analysis, and the writers did not prepare them with the evolution or future-proofing of the tests for more than the top 50 movies of 2016 in the USA. As evidenced by the notes on THE KO TEST & THE WHITE TEST, the tests were being modified from "the language of the release" to "speaks English", and different standards of “minimal pass” and “moderate pass” were being added as the analysis was happening. I do believe that it is important to keep the wording of most of the tests the same as the original, as that is the starting point. As language interpretation along with subtler misogyny and bias for certain content, can lead the test results to become inadequate. This is why I wanted more eyes on these tests to begin with.
4. Finally, the writers themselves say at the beginning of the article that "Every film was scored by two staffers, and any discrepancies in scoring were debated until we reached a consensus.", and another note at the end of the article said "Some tests had questions with objective answers — for example, does the female lead end up dead? Some tests, though, asked more subjective questions — for example, does the film have a black woman in a lead role who has a healthy relationship? We used our best judgment in those cases.". And this article about the Mako Mori Test, talks about the cases between the group narrative of The Avengers (Q182218), Or, M (Q246154) in the movie Skyfall (Q4941), where the female lead of MI6 has a narrative too closely interlinked with the men, are movies that are hard to grade. And in the year 2013, saying of the Mako Mori Test that "Surely as there is more discussion on the topic, a clearer consensus about what passes and what doesn’t will be reached."
5. The above discussion is the best part about this project, as it helps to show how difficult and subjective these tests can be to implement. And, how many ways people can interpret a scene, be aware of specific tropes, Or are seen as negative or offensive portrayals but isn't caught by a certain section of the audience. And also, the best part is that Wikidata (Q2013) allows anyone to change the result later if they seem to disagree, and even we have allowed multiple ways to disagree, and have changed our own scores through discussions. Anyways, Let me know if you want me to email the writer, he seemed really interested in this project? Wallacegromit1 (talk) 16:16, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Wallacegromit1: Thank you for these thoughts! Yes, I think it would be a good idea to email the writer about it, if you don't mind. We could still make it a dubious or contested, but at least we have the exact reason and can take this into consideration for other assessments. It would be just a bit odd to make "old" a reason to fail and it would be better if we could replace this with "stereotypical old" or something like this. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 17:07, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Wallacegromit:I just noticed that "stereotypical old" would be odd, too, as there is no "stereotypical young". We should find another expression for whatever is meant by that and for that the answer by the writer would be really helpful. So I would really appreciate if you would email the writer! - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 17:22, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnocentric tests

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DuVernay Test (Film, TV & Theatre Only)

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A work receives points for each criteria below:

  1. Are any characters of color whitewashed, or played by actors of a different ethnicity?
  2. Do the characters of color pursue their own goals separate from the white characters?
  3. Do the characters of color primarily talk about race?
  4. Do the characters of color fulfill harmful, simplistic, or down-right racist stereotypes?
  5. Is the director, writer and/or creator representative of the story's culture?


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@Valentina.Anitnelav:

1. Should this test be modelled similar to the Feldman Test, or Riz Test with only adding the criteria not scored? We can simplify the Feldman tests in a similar manner.

2. The Bechdel Test Movie List (Q45150204) has some documentaries in it. And the DuVernay Test (Q105729153) and AfroBubbleGum Test (Q105726358) seem to apply to documentaries as well. Should we just emphasize to use the specific documentary tests, and only rarely have others use the other tests for documentary if they wish? This way, there may be only a few occasions that documentaries have these tests, and most people will start using the non-fiction specific tests.

3. quality (Q1207505) has been used for most of the Passes/Fails items. Should it be quality (Q185957)?

Wallacegromit1 (talk) 12:17, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Wallacegromit1: 1) In this case I would actually do it the other way round: only add the criteria that are fulfilled. We could think about doing it the same way with the Feldman test. The only problem I see are incomplete assessments (Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Media_Representation#Incomplete_assessments): it would not be possible to spot if a criterion is not fulfilled or if it is simply not assessed. 2) I agree with you: we should not encourage people to add these tests to documentaries, but I would also not delete them if people add them. 3) I would stick with quality (Q1207505). quality (Q185957) seems to me much narrower. At least in en Wikipedia quality (Q185957) refers to "quality" in a normative sense (high quality/low quality, quality product) and I don't think that this meaning applies to the test criteria. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 13:53, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Valentina.Anitnelav:

1. Lets just use the Feldman Model for now, as it gives us more options, and we could change it easily in the future.

2. Agree!

3. Agree! Wallacegromit1 (talk) 14:10, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

LGBTQIA+ tests

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May Test

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The May Test passes if at least three of the below points pass.

Whether a transgender character is/has:

  • portrayed by a transgender actor
  • safe, stable, and secure (not homeless, assaulted, or victimized—no more bloody noses!)
  • thriving, healthy, and happy
  • in love, loveable, and dating (not a lonely romantic pariah)
  • a trans identity not used as a joke or “surprise reveal” gag
  • an occupation that isn’t sex worker, dealer, or thief
  • a storyline that is not solely about their transition or surgery, or their struggle with their identity

Surpasses the test

  • Bonus points if the trans character is in a lead role or has a gender queer, non-conforming or neutral gender identity.

Test not applicable if no Trans character exists.

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Region Specific tests

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Ko Test

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All of the following criteria have to be fulfilled:

  1. There’s a non-white, female-identifying person in the film (or actor playing/voicing the character)
  2. Who speaks in five or more scenes (Speaking means dialogue, not fight grunts)
  3. And speaks English (Includes English variants of Sign Language)


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Media of all Majority English-speaking Caucasian nations. Includes Australia, Canada, New Zealand, United Kingdom and United States of America. Some works from nations in Africa, Asia and South America may also qualify on a case by case basis.

English language or multilingual films from other regions can pass, but should not have "fail", as it is not a negative to have characters speak in their own language. The test is exclusively for stereotypical portrayals of assimilated or unassimilated ethnic minorities.

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POC Bechdel Test

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All of the following criteria have to be fulfilled:

  1. It has to have two POC (People of Colour) in it
  2. Who talk to each other
  3. About something other than a white person

Region

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Media of all Majority Caucasian nations. Includes Australia, Canada, New Zealand, United Kingdom and United States of America. Some works from nations in Africa, Asia and South America may also qualify on a case by case basis.

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@Valentina.Anitnelav:

The third comment in the source above, the author of the article discusses Klingons in Starfleet, as trying to navigate assimilation and self-identity. Should the first criteria be labeled as non-white ethnic minorities including fictional ethnicities? Wallacegromit1 (talk) 23:58, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I think it would be interesting to have also something like this. I only found the following:

Celia Imrie Test

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All of the following criteria have to be fulfilled:

  • The film has to have at least two people older than 60 in it who are not married or siblings.
If the story does not tell the exact age, you may estimate the age, e.g. by appearance, living conditions or relationship to other characters (use nature of statement (P5102) dubious (Q104378399)). A character played by an actor older than 60 generally counts unless clearly represented as being younger. A character played by an actor younger than 55 does not count.
  • They must talk to each other, in a way that advances the plot, without anyone younger than 60 being present.
  • They must not talk about the following things: their children, or grandchildren, unless they are discussing how to intervene decisively in their lives; cancer, heart disease, bad backs or hypertension, unless they are talking about the cure that they have just discovered due to being important medical experts.
They may mention their children and/or "old-age diseases" in passing, but there has to be at least one major conversation about a different subject
  • If the film is partly set in an old people’s care facility, at least one of the over-60 characters must work there as a carer or owner.
  • If one over-60 character dies in the end, in a heart-rending yet defiant way that teaches the younger characters how to live life to the full, there must be another older character who thinks the dead character was a bit of a pain in the arse. It is more acceptable if a younger character dies and the older characters learn from him or her.

There is also a 6th clause that should not be taken too seriously:

  • The film must cast Celia Imrie, because she is always brilliant

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@Valentina.Anitnelav:

1. Love this test!

2. We can call it the Celia Imrie test? And in the Aliases - Ageism test? Peter Bradshaw test? (for the writer/creator), Grey Bechdel? and/or the Grey Test?

3. Criteria 3 - Is it fine if they mention the children in passing in a unrelated conversation, and/or only in a brief moment? Wallacegromit1 (talk) 08:24, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Wallacegromit1:

2. "Celia Imrie test" sounds good.

3. I think they may mention their children (or illnesses) in passing. It just should not be the centre of their conversation. (I would somehow read this as "they talk to each other about something else than their children or illnesses") - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 09:47, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Valentina.Anitnelav: Some movies do not tell you the age of the characters, and no age description is present on any promotional material either. We can go by the age of the actors playing the characters, but most often the actors are not playing their own age. Any ideas? Wallacegromit1 (talk) 18:13, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Wallacegromit1: I added some clarifications. In my opinion we may estimate the age (and use "dubious" as a qualifier). As a rule of thumb I would say that any character played by an actor older than 60 should count (unless clearly represented as younger). Any character played by an actor younger than 55 should not count, I think (what do you think about this? - It is just a number that came to my head so we may adjust this). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 13:04, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Valentina.Anitnelav:

1. Agree with dubious or even partial if the age is not clear.

2. Agree with the 55 for the actors.

3. How does a work pass the test? Do all the criteria have to be passed?

Just add it to the main section, maybe its own Tab. Wallacegromit1 (talk) 13:57, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Wallacegromit1: I finally created this section (as a draft): Celia Imrie Test. May you have a look at it? If you agree I would create the missing items - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 12:45, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Valentina.Anitnelav:

1. Perfect, The format makes sense. Thanks!

2. FYI - I had already created the main item of the Celia Imrie Test (Q105729789), a while back. Wallacegromit1 (talk) 17:06, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done @Wallacegromit1: Thanks! - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 19:53, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Non-Fiction/Documentary tests

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