File talk:Charles-Philippe Larivière - Thomas-Robert Bugeaud de la Piconnerie (1845).jpg

Copyfraud

Copyright claim by RMN is copyfraud. Since Charles-Philippe Larivière died in 1876, this photo is in PD according to Commons:When to use the PD-Art tag. Ayack (talk) 14:11, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

The work is in the public domain; however, the photograph was captured by RMN (© Gérard Blot) that strictly prohibits unauthorized usage of their images. Riad Salih (talk) 14:24, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

@Riad Salih See Category:Images from Réunion des musées nationaux: 1.200+ files... Ayack (talk) 16:35, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Each image is treated separately. When you visit a museum and take a picture, you possess the rights to that specific picture. If a work is in the public domain doesn't automatically make your photograph of it public domain as well. If that were the case, there would be no need to credit the agency or photographer. Riad Salih (talk) 16:54, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Photograph of an Old Master found on the Internet, but there is an explicit notice of copyright claim: As long as the image is or appears to be a faithful reproduction of a 2D public domain work of art, it can be used. As per WMF's position, it is considered to be in the public domain even when there is a notice about copyright claim. The uploader should not include that notice when uploading to Commons because it could be confusing to people who will reuse the picture. When to use the PD-Art tag. Johanraymond (talk) 22:24, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

The picture is taken directly from https://collections.chateauversailles.fr/#/query/41f07fe3-779f-4b20-9e18-8e1de87aa7c6. The website clearly states : "© RMN-GP (Château de Versailles) / © Gérard Blot :For any commercial or editorial use of images from the collections of the Château and the national domain of Versailles, please contact the RMN Photographic Agency."

The pictures uploaded in Wikimedia Commons should allow commercial use. I contacted the company, they stated that anyone who wants to use the image should pay for a license.

The work itself is in the public domain, but the picture of the work was taken by a photographer. If a work is in the public domain, it means anyone can take a picture of it themselves and use it for commercial purposes. However, not anyone can steal someone else's photography and use it just because the work is in the public domain. Riad Salih (talk) 22:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

As it is a faithful reproduction of a 2D public domain work of art, there is no legitimate copyright claim. Johanraymond (talk) 07:28, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

We need to check this and this Commons:Reuse of PD-Art photographs#France to obtain further information. Those who are more familiar with French laws can help. Riad Salih (talk) 10:48, 25 May 2024 (UTC)