User talk:ערן

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ShakataGaNai ^Talk 21:13, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Featured Picture Candidates

Good day. I've observed that you are one of the 8 users that unanimously supported this pciture in the first 65 minutes of that picture FPC vote. Since 17 of the 18 subsequent votes were opposing and a look on your user page indicate that all of you 8 supporting are related in some way to the hebrew language, my understanding is that your vote may be bias in order to support a friend. Please understand that bias votes can easily destroy the FPC process. You are invited and encouraged to participate in the FPC voting process, but please do so by following the guidelines. Thank you. --S23678 (talk) 16:12, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I thought, and I still think this is nice picture. After reading the guidelines, I understand it isn't enougth, and I'm sorry for this voting. I won't do it again. BTW, the vote isn't my only editing here: I have second account - User:Eran, which I used before global account migration. ערן (talk) 18:29, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

You have the entire right to vote as you did if you think it's a nice picture. But I hope you understand the reason why I sent such a message to all the initial voters. You are fully welcomed to participate again in the FPC voting process; in fact, the more voters we have, the more credibility we gain! Have a nice day. --S23678 (talk) 19:02, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Mediawiki

Hi, i was looking at your post on the administrator notice board.. But i must create the page with only the tekst en or fr and nothing more ?

Cheers, Sterkebaktalk 12:08, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Image:AmchitkaTestSites he.svg

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Hello ערן!

Thank you for providing images to Wikimedia Commons. Please keep in mind that images uploaded to Commons should be useful to all users of Wikimedia projects. This is possible only if the images can be found by other people.

To allow others to find the images you uploaded here, the images should be in some place that can be found by navigating the category structure. This means that you should put the images into appropriate topic pages, categories, optionally galleries, or both of them (see Commons:Categories). To find good categories for your images, the CommonSense tool may help.

You can find a convenient overview of your uploaded files in this gallery.

The important point is that the images should be placed in the general structure somewhere. There are a large number of completely unsorted images on Commons right now. If you would like to help to place some of those images where they can be found, please do!

Thank you. Multichill (talk) 12:34, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I've added 3 categories for this image. 15:28, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

[1]

Please don't make unneeded edits to heavily used templates like that. The /lang namespace on that template doesn't properly categorize images for deletion. The page as a redirect works, so there was no reason for you to make your edit. -Nard the Bard 15:13, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

The reason for the edit is to make it autotranslated: for users who use interface other than english - they will see the template in their own language. The category is in the end of the template so there shound be no problem with the category. You should check before reverting, espeacially in heavily used templates like that. Please change it back to my version, or tell me the specific problem so I can make it work. ערן (talk) 18:40, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

I've reverted your edits. The problem in categories is because people used {{No permission since/en}} instead of {{No permission since}}. I've added the category to /en too - but in general, users should use the general template and not the english one. ערן (talk) 18:54, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

The quickdelete script uses the /en :P -Nard the Bard 12:02, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Revert

Hello, I reverted your changes on Template:Bad name, the result was incorrect (I don't use the french interface of this model...). Please make sure your modifications do not have unwanted side-effects, especially on frequently used models. Michelet-密是力 (talk) 08:17, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I've checked it and it shouldn't show you message in french. The only 2 ways to see French message are: using french interface (from preferences), or having linked to page using specific language (meaning adding to the end of the url uselang=fr). If it's the case, there was no problem. If it isn't - tell me when and where you saw french message and I will check it. ערן (talk) 19:36, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

BTW - you shouldn't delete Template:Bad name/en. ערן (talk) 19:41, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I've reverted your change - Any user should use this model only in {{Bad Name}} without specifing language and users see this template in their own language - meaning: you can see the model in your language (French), and i see it in Hebrew, and so on. ערן (talk) 18:21, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Have a look

here. Multichill (talk) 14:46, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry,

You do not have 200 edits and COM:A says this is minimum. I closed your request for adminship. Regards, abf /talk to me/ 17:04, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Please note that I have another old account, User:Eran, so I יave more than 200 edits. ערן (talk) 18:00, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

First you have not written that down and second there is no verification its yours. I am sorry, abf /talk to me/ 18:24, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Well I forgot to write it. But it is my account and I created redirect from the old account to the new account using the old account (see the history of User:Eran). Isn't it enougth? ערן (talk) 18:30, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

BTW protecting this page isn't according to the policy - It isn't edit war or vandalism. ערן (talk) 18:36, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I've unprotected and re-listed this. I'd suggest to clarify this on the RFA, ערן. You might consider whether the bare minimum of 200 edits is really what you want to be meeting. Perhaps waiting until you have more experience here would be worthwhile. I hate to see a pile-on.

BTW, we do routinely protect RFXs as they are archived.  — Mike.lifeguard | ^@en.wb 05:26, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I have experience in Hebrew Wikipedia of about 5 years, so it's enougth experience. ערן (talk) 07:11, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

You may wish to withdraw you RFA - I think it is clear by now it will not succeed because you are too new to Commons.  — Mike.lifeguard | ^@en.wb 23:05, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Yea, you are right. This RFA won't pass. I'll have to ask for admin help for any minor change in protected template :( ערן (talk) 11:07, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I appreciate your work on internationalization of templates, so feel free to post your change requests on my talk page, I won't bother if it's overflowed by your requests :)

Best regards from France,

-- AlNo (discuter/talk/hablar/falar) 13:12, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi! I would like to thank you for volunteering to help by becoming an administrator. However, I think it's clear now that there is not consensus to promote you at present. I therefore have closed and archived your request, acting in my capacity as a bureaucrat of Commons. I am sorry. I would suggest you take some of the feedback you were given to heart. Spend some time doing more things here and getting to know our ways better, and then consider trying again. Best wishes, and if you have any questions please ask. ++Lar: t/c 01:30, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Please add, don't move

This should be the proper way. The {{Lang}} template adds some useful xml stuff (see the source). Multichill (talk) 10:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't see the lang property, I thought it's only direction. ערן (talk) 13:43, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Internationalization of templates

Hi, I'm also working on it.
Multichill built a big table of the templates to work on. Perhaps we could join our efforts?
For example, let's first build some layout templates, then we'll update the language text templates to use the layout, and finally we'll add autotranslate on the main template :)
Best regards from France,
-- AlNo (discuter/talk/hablar/falar) 16:01, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I saw the table and already began working on some Hebrew templates and fixing of direction support in layout templates. I'm going to continue with it soon ערן (talk) 16:56, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: Autotranslation of dates

Hi, sorry for the long time before answering you.

It seems that your suggestion is quite more complex than you expected :)

The {{Information}} field names could be autotranslated, but autotranslating the content of the Date parameter is quite impossible as long as there is no standardization for the date representation: some people write the date with full words of their own language, others use American notation (mm/dd/yyyy), some prefer dd/mm/yy formatting... You see that there are so many cases (not counting the possible ambiguity between similar formats) that any automation would be a nightmare :)

Best regards from France,

-- AlNo (discuter/talk/hablar/falar) 09:58, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Hebrew translations needed

Hi! I contact you as you speak English and Hebrew.

Jastrow and I are working on autotranslating {{Meta information museum}}, the meta-template we use for many museums, like {{Information Louvre}}. Could you please help us find Hebrew translations for every tag name:

   * artist/maker
   * description
   * dimensions
   * credit line
   * accession number
   * location
   * source/photographer
   * references
   * other versions

"Credit line" is mainly about the mode of acquisition: what collection does it come from? Did it join the collections by gift, purchase, on loan, etc.?

Thanks for any help. Bibi Saint-Pol (sprechen) 13:04, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Done. ערן (talk) 20:09, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

All is perfect. Thanks a lot! Bibi Saint-Pol (sprechen) 15:40, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Fake hebrew

Hello Eran, I stated on File:Mariamagdalena grt.jpg that the characters on the border of the dress of the woman depicted are made to look Hebrew, but are in fact fake. Could you confirm this? Regards, Vincent Steenberg (talk) 11:22, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

It contains real Hebrew letters, but it has no meaning. ערן (talk) 18:44, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

ok, Thank you! Vincent Steenberg (talk) 18:54, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Ajax translations

Hi! Thanks a lot for tackling this. It's really a good idea. However, I still see a number of problems with your current code:

1. The wfSupportsAjax check should be removed now. It's not needed anymore, and it still may cause alerts for IE6 users if it's left in there.
2. loadAjaxTranslation doesn't get the link as the parameter. It gets the click event. Note that on IE6, it doesn't get anything as the parameter, you have to get the event from window.event. I usually use something like function eventHandler (evt) { evt = evt || window.event; var link = evt.target || evt.srcElement; ... }
3. You should not access tables by index. Other scripts may have added other tables to the document between the initial setup and the time the user clicks a translation link. Either store a link to the containing table instead of the index in your own attribute layoutContainer, or simply walk up the DOM tree (starting at the link, using parentNode) until you hit a table with class "layouttemplate" to find the table you need.
4. Why include the current time in the API URL? It's not even checked afterwards. It's really not needed.
5. The API call should include "&pst&title=" + encodeURIComponent (wgPageName).
6. Try to keep the global namespace clean. Wrap everything inside an anonymous function buy putting (function () { at the top and })(); at the end of the script. Inside that function, you'll need to export your callback function; just add window.loadSpecificTranslation = loadSpecificTranslation; before the call to addOnloadHook.
7. Guard against double inclusion of the script. After the previous step, put if (typeof (loadSpecificTranslation) == 'undefined') { at the top of the file, and a single } at the bottom.
8. Handle error cases in loadSpecificTranslation. What if the server response doesn't have parse.text['*']?
9. After a translation has changed, it would suffice to re-init that containing table. No need to re-init the whole document.

Hope you find these comments helpful. Cheers, Lupo 19:55, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

1. yea, you right. fixed it.
2. Yea I know it isn't the link (i used link.srcElement to get it). I don't have IE6 so when I checked it, I didn't see the problem. fixed it
3. you right. i'll change it to recursivly find the parent layoutContainer
4. At beginning i didn't sent the time. but afterwords when i checked it: When you load german, then english and trying to reload german - german won't be loaded as it's already loaded before. So the time (in comment) is some workaround for that. people may say: "yacc it's ugly patch" but it works simply ;)
5. OK. but why?
6. fine. I'll fix it
7. I prefare that checking to be added in the by the importing JS to keep the script clean. but it isn't really important
8. ok fixed it
9. I'm just replacing the table element by new element. i had some problems with just changing the innerHTML of the table. I'll retry to use the other way.

Thanks for the code review. ערן (talk) 19:38, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

On (4): so you're using the timestamp to bypass caching. But that should not be necessary. You should still get a reply without that timestamp, but that reply may come from your local browser's cache, or from one of the server-side caches (squids). Try removing the timestamp and then using Firebug to monitor what requests are made. But then again, maybe you're hitting an IE caching bug. If it works without the timestamp on FF, but not on IE, try adding the timestamp only on IE. There's no need to disable caching on other browsers if it works there with caching.

On (5): &pst does the "pre-save transfomation", which includes properly handling links written as [[Somepage|]]. Without &pst, this kind of links is not rendered properly.

On (9): No, I meant that initAjaxTranslation re-inits the links in all tables with class "layouttemplate", but it would suffice to re-init the just changed table.

Cheers, Lupo 12:58, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

OK. fixed it all. thanks again, ערן (talk) 06:40, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Tip: Categorizing images

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Hello, ערן!

Tip: Add categories to your files

Thanks a lot for contributing to the Wikimedia Commons! Here's a tip to make your uploads more useful: Why not add some categories to describe them? This will help more people to find and use them.

Here's how:

1) If you're using the UploadWizard, you can add categories to each file when you describe it. Just click "more options" for the file and add the categories which make sense:

2) You can also pick the file from your list of uploads, edit the file description page, and manually add the category code at the end of the page.

[[Category:Category name]]

For example, if you are uploading a diagram showing the orbits of comets, you add the following code:

[[Category:Astronomical diagrams]]

[[Category:Comets]]

This will make the diagram show up in the categories "Astronomical diagrams" and "Comets".

When picking categories, try to choose a specific category ("Astronomical diagrams") over a generic one ("Illustrations").

Thanks again for your uploads! More information about categorization can be found in Commons:Categories, and don't hesitate to leave a note on the help desk.

BotMultichillT 06:29, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

• Image:Star-schema-example-he.png was uncategorized on 27 September 2009.

Ajax translation

Hey, I noted your work with the ajax translation script. Quite good work, I must say, IMO this is what we needed here. Just wondering, does the script also work with other templates than the license templates? The license templates are probably important for this, but it would be great if this could also work with some other templates. --The Evil IP address (talk) 19:19, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. It works for any template that use table with class="layouttemplate". Some examples of other template which aren't license template: Template:CatDiffuse, Template:Bad name. ערן (talk) 19:32, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Hello. First of all, great feature, thanks! I noticed some issues though, that I reported on MediaWiki talk:AjaxTranslation.js. Cheers, Jean-Fred (talk) 14:43, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Translations of templates

Hi ערן, some of our more important templates are translated at Translatewiki:. For most templates we have a lot of translations and a lot of languages are fully translated (stats). Unfortunately that's not the case for Hebrew. Could you help to get these messages translated? Multichill (talk) 13:49, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

I've created there user and I'll translate there some templates.

File:WikiWrongCaricature.png

Hi ערן, you need to mention the authors of all the images which you used in this montage. --Túrelio (talk) 20:39, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

I thought it's enough to mention the original images with links, but I'll mention the authors too. ערן (talk) 20:55, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

I know, that's the way on Wikimedia projects. However, this often leads to license violation by re-users, who don't realize they have to mention the author of all CC-BY-, GFDL-, FAL-, etc. licensed images. --Túrelio (talk) 21:02, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

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Messages per language

Hi,

I saw the great technique to change the language into Template:Autotranslate, it's genious

That's why too I would like to know if you can explain me how are generated the translations of pages as Special:Gadgets. Is it done with transletewiki? It seems that's a local message and it's not possible, but I don't understand how it done. By a template? I didn't found it. Do you have an idea, please?

Thanks by advance, Automatik (talk) 02:28, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Template:Autotranslate is used for translating local templates (it is just a nice hack that uses {{int}}). But special pages, like Special:Gadgets, have built-in translation support in MediaWiki core: it uses the MediaWiki namespace with language suffix. For example: MediaWiki:Gadget-Geotoolbox have MediaWiki:Gadget-Geotoolbox/fr with French translation. Local messages which aren't part of the core (e.g - specific gadgets) have translations in MediaWiki namespace, and it isn't possible to use translate wiki, while global messages (as the title and the first sentence in Special:Gadgets) can be translated in translatewiki. ערן (talk) 06:41, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your fast answer.

• Do you know where we can see the messages which are in Mediawiki core?
• Do you have an example of message which isn't in the core and for which it isn't possible to use translatewiki? In order to understand what the difference between a Mediawiki-namespace message related to the core (and used for translations) and one who are not related to the core (but used for translations too).

Cordially, Automatik (talk) 13:44, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

• All the MediaWiki messages for the core and extensions can be found and translated in translatewiki. All the other messages (+messages from the core that can be overriden locally) can be found in Special:AllPages/MediaWiki:. Another way to find messages is to use the search, and limit the results to MediaWiki namespace.
• Example of messages that can't be translated in translatewiki are gadgets (Special:PrefixIndex/MediaWiki:Gadget-). Gadgets are site-specific so you can't translate it there. (and even worse: translation of the gadget itself [not it's description] is incorporated in the gadget code, e.g MediaWiki:Gadget-HotCat.js/fr ). ערן (talk) 14:22, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi,

You said firstly that «special pages, like Special:Gadgets, have built-in translation support in MediaWiki core: it uses the MediaWiki namespace with language suffix. For example: MediaWiki:Gadget-Geotoolbox have MediaWiki:Gadget-Geotoolbox/fr with French translation.». I understand by this that the appearence of MediaWiki:Gadget-Geotoolbox/fr in Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets for the French's user's interfaces is enabled by Mediawiki core.

Otherwise, you say that gadgets are messages that can't be translated. But here I can see many messages starting with MediaWiki:Gadget-.

These two reasons are why I don't understand how the interface of Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets is function of the user's interface language. However, I understand the functioning oh the templates.

Finally, is there an help somewhere who explains how are generated the localized messages by wiki for Mediawiki:Gadget-HotCat.js. I just would like to know how the wiki who use this gadget recognize the good subpage of MediaWiki:Gadget-HotCat.js and adapts the gadget in consequence? By localized messages by wiki, I wanted to refer to this line of the gadget:

  // Localize these messages to the main language of your wiki. 

Also, sorry for my English.

Cordially, and thanks by advance for all your help, Automatik (talk) 23:01, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

• MediaWiki:Gadget-Geotoolbox/fr for French users is enabled by mediawiki core, but it isn't part of the core (=When you install a new MediaWiki, you don't have gadgets installed and you don't have a message called MediaWiki:Gadget-Geotoolbox/fr). MediaWiki knows the user language preference (as defined in Special:Preferences) and finds the correct message (the correct suffix) according to it (for any core message+mediawiki NS page).
• Translations for gadgets in translatewiki are specific to translatewiki, and aren't copied to other sites/wikis (translatewiki copies only messages that appear in Special:Translate - messages with Gadget-SOMETHINE aren't listed there).
• HotCat - translation of gadgets messages is done in JS code, and it is specific to each gadget, so I don't think there is a guide/help page about it. If you are interested in the code implementation for language support there: HotCat code loads the correct message using javascript variable wgUserLanguage which gives it the user language of the current user:

loadJS ('MediaWiki:Gadget-HotCat.js/' + wgUserLanguage);

And then the specific translation (MediaWiki:Gadget-HotCat.js/fr) overwrite the messages of hotcat.

ערן (talk) 20:59, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Ok! So for the templates, this is an hack, for the mediawiki-namespace messages this is done automatically thanks to the core. Automatik (talk) 12:12, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

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