Template talk:Self

Author's Name in Template

There was some discussion at the village pump on Wikipedia English where it was suggested to insert the username in the template. Reason is that the upload history is not included when the image description is copied to a wikipedia, so the name of the user who created it will not show.

--Fred Chess 21:19, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Hm. Anyone who cares about that issue can simply write their name in the image description page (a good idea anyway, especially for the licenses that require attribution). And people who don't care won't be bothered to put their name as a parameter in a template. dbenbenn | talk 01:49, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Yea that's a good point I suppose. I have to argue though, that it didn't cross my mind though that the upload history of images wasn't copied along, so I have just written "self|cc-by-sa-all" on most of my images, to make the process go faster with the upload of my hundreds of maps and photos. But you are right -- the attribution doesn't matter so much to me. I just think that people who are looking at an image description page often wants to know who took an image or created a map. I have argued on wikipedia that the upload history should in fact be copied along with the other information to give the viewer this information. (Who suggested that the template should be modified instead).

Fred Chess 12:55, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

I guess we could modify the template, but we'd need a bot to go through and update all the pages that use it first. (Actually, perhaps we could use a new MediaWiki variable, {{ORIGINALUPLOADER}}?) I like the idea of showing the upload history on Wikipedia. Then reusers like Ask.com would automatically show the history, too. dbenbenn | talk 14:52, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

I submitted it to bugzilla, but since it may take some time I'd say we try this out once the variable gets activated... Or what do you think? Fred Chess 22:54, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

I added it, the syntaxe is :

{{Self|license|author=name of the author}}

The parameter author is optional, and without it the template looks the same as before. BenduKiwi [ | φ] - 23:40, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

author argument

The author argument does not link the author's user page or have correct grammar ("publish" should be "publishes"). No big deal, but would be nice. Thanks. Dcoetzee 02:18, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

You can linkify your own name by using wiki markup, i.e. use something like {{self|GFDL|author=[[User:Dcoetzee|Derrick Coetzee]]}}. I agree that that I'd be nice to fix the grammar. —RP88 00:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

This page is protected. In order to fix the grammar on this template, I request that the following line:

| <center>'''''{{{author|I, the author of this work}}},''' hereby publish it under the following license{{#if: {{{2|}}}|s|}}:''</center>

be replaced with:

| <center>'''''{{{author|I}}}, the author of this work,''' hereby publish{{#if: {{{author|}}}|es|}} it under the following license{{#if: {{{2|}}}|s|}}:''</center>

—RP88 00:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Agree with this change. However before making this change, I would like to wait to see if there is oppositio, and wait until the job queue is back at zero. -- Bryan (talk to me) 17:45, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Heh, I was about to make the same suggestion. It might need to say "hereby publishes or has in the past published" Yonatan ^talk 22:09, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, when you do that, please noinclude Template:Heavily used template. Yonatan ^talk 22:11, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Hehe, I got another one, change "I, the author of..." to "I, the copyright holder of..." as discussed on Template talk:PD-self Yonatan ^talk 23:20, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Done by Timichal. He did however not add the copyright holder stuff. Well... next revision then. -- Bryan (talk to me) 20:26, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi all- I came here to suggest the same template grammar fix, it seems. I used the license template {{self|GFDL|cc-by-sa-2.5|author=I, [[User:<user name|<user name>]]}} and got a first-person subject with a third-person verb form. It's here: Image:Chevaux2_GR76A.jpg (I don't know how to link to the image page instead of the image). Do we know if there's a legal need to keep the "I" in the statement? EHM02667 12:35, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

This new {{self|GFDL|cc-by-sa-2.5|author=I, [[User:<user name|<user name>]]}} was introduced by me on MediaWiki:Upload.js. I'm not native English, so I wouldn't know whether or not this is grammatically correct. -- Bryan (talk to me) 18:59, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Bryan- If the subject is always going to be "I" (first person singular), the line should read: I, <user name>, the copyright holder of this work, have published or hereby publish it under the following licenses:... EHM02667 00:56, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I've come here about the grammar as well. Since the name is Template:Self, this suggests the uploader is always the copyright holder, thus only the first person form of the verb is required. Ideally therefore 'I' should be included as part of the template, and the author parameter (if present) should additionally include the name of the user. However changing the template in this way would add an extra 'I' on all the existing pages which use the format |author=I, [[User:<user name|<user name>]].

To get the text that EHM02667 correctly suggests, the relevant line in the template should become

| <center>'''''{{{author|I}}}, the copyright holder of this work,''' have published or hereby publish it under the following license{{#if: {{{2|}}}|s|}}:''</center>

Of course this will cause any pages where the author parameter doesn't contain 'I' to be grammatically incorrect (i.e. User:Example, the copyright holder of this work, have published...), but I don't know of an easy way to check if there are any such pages. Dr pda 23:44, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Grammar

If there is an author included in the template, the grammar is "has / published". See for example Image:Warning - Wikis on toilet.svg. / Fred J 19:06, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeek. I wonder if there's a way to make it switch persons (grammatically speaking) when it says "I, <author>, ...". Looks really odd the way it is now. --SB_Johnny | ^PA! 00:02, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Well the template page does say that one shouldn't use "author" when it is oneself who is the author? / Fred J 10:55, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Category

It would be easier to find this license if it were in Category:License tags and Category:License tags attribution.

For items that have multiple authors, could this template support an author2, author3, etc. parameter? Lyrl 18:13, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

But it's not a license tag... Also why Category:License tags attribution? It can be used with license tags that don't have that restriction. For works with multiple authors, you can use author=Author1, Author2, Author3, etc., but it's not really "self" then, is it? Any technically, it's not authors, but copyright holders. Rocket000 (talk) 07:47, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Automatic categorization in Self-published work

All images that transclude this template are automatically categorized in Self-published work. I think it would be useful to be able to disable it, for example using an optionnal parameter nocat: {{self|GFDL}} would still work like now, but {{self|GFDL|nocat=1}} would not categorize the image.

Indeed, when one use this template whith the parameter author=, the actual copyright holder is much likely to be someone else (otherwise one would let the default "I, the copyright holder of this work..."), and thus the work cannot qualify as "self-published". A typical example would be a transfer from another project, let us say en.wikipedia: you have to use {{GFDL-user-en}} on Commons, which transcludes {{Self}}, and as a result the image will be categorized as a "self-published work", althought this is not one (you are the uploader but not the author, who is the original uploader at en.wikipedia). It would then be useful if {{GFDL-user-en}} could transclude {{Self}} with a nocat parameter, so as to avoid that.

Sorry for my bad english, I come from France. Hope you will yet be able to understand what I'm tring to say... Herr Satz (talk) 04:38, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Autotranslation

My plan is to convert this template in a autotranslated template quite soon. See {{Self/autotranslate}} for the code. Multichill (talk) 23:43, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

 Done. Multichill (talk) 13:54, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Additional parameters

This template should support pass-through of additional parameters. For an example, see the MIT License.   — C M B J   15:20, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Limited license tags

Can we expand the number of license tags allowed (Six is the maximum currently) to, let's say, 10 or so? I'm not so sure if a maximum of six is OK for all uploaders...--TUBS 09:16, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Do you know any example where six is not enough? --Slomox (talk) 11:11, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes. And gues what: I had this "problem". But this shouldn't be an argument. This was ment more like a hint to extend this limitation. I could change this template on my own but I wanted to ask hereby if there is any argument against extending the limt to let's say 10. I mean any other argument than doubts that there is an example that six is not enough ;-) --TUBS 20:22, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, there are arguments against. It adds additional loading time for example. Not that much, that it will be problematic, but it adds. So we have to weigh: how often do we need more than six licenses, is it worth the additional load etc. Therefore we need to know which files exactly need it.

At the moment I can't really think of any example where it is necessary to put more than six different licenses. --Slomox (talk) 22:53, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Even six is too much. Why would you ever have more than that? Actually, I never use this license because it's kinda pointless and I think we should do away with it. Just use the license(s) directly. Who is "I" anyway on non-user pages? Once someone uploads a new version it no longer makes sense... Rocket000 (talk) 23:53, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

This is not a license template, this is a helper template and it's certainly not pointless. "I" is the uploader or if the author is someone else use the "author" parameter to set it. This template is very useful because otherwise lot's of users and admins will start deleting images as "no source". Multichill (talk) 14:49, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Using {{Self}} counts as a source? Many admins would disagree. Self is used for works by others all the time. There's even a author parameter. Rocket000 (talk) 09:29, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Grammar

There's currently a problem with the grammar when the text includes both "I" and the username. It reads "I, xxx, has published or hereby publishes ..." This is ungrammatical: it needs to read "I, xxx, have published or hereby publish ..." Andrew Dalby (talk) 15:27, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Could you give an example? Multichill (talk) 16:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

migration

The migration parameter passed through to the components of {{Self}} is required for the proper functioning of {{License migration}} in the licensing update process. There are 1.7 million GFDL images to sort through, so unless you are planning to do all the self-tagged ones yourself, I'd suggest not blindly reverting the licensing update work. Dragons flight (talk) 09:38, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Template Self2

Hi everybody, there is Template:Self2 which is redirecting to Template:Self. I would recommend using a bot and changing all appearances of {{Self2}} to {{Self}} and then deleting Template:Self2. What is your opinion? --92.229.82.189 23:01, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I've already done the same for self3 and self4. Slobot can change self2 too, but I didn't do it then, cause the template is used on 295,731 pages. Doing almost 300,000 edits is a bit much for something that's not broken. --Slomox (talk) 10:45, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Slomox. Replacing it would be a waste of resources. Besides that the template is still used by Commonist and in move to Commons transfers. When I edit an image for Commons:License Migration Task Force/Migration I do replace self2 with self right away. Multichill (talk) 12:25, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

hereby

Can we skip world "hereby" in this template. It sounds very artificial. --Jarekt (talk) 03:36, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Correction in French

I read "Vous pouvez choisir la licence de votre choix." It is better to write "Vous pouvez appliquer la licence de votre choix."

Cantons-de-l'Est (talk) 01:57, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Change self to pass attribution

Hi guys, I was thinking about changing this template to pass attribution. The author= field could be passed to the Creative Commons attribution field to make it clearer. We could also add an additional field to this template called "attribution" to override it. Take for example File:Geglazuurde aardewerk.jpg

Soyer Isabelle at nl.wikipedia, the copyright holder of this work, hereby publishes it under the following license:

would look like

Soyer Isabelle at nl.wikipedia, the copyright holder of this work, has published or hereby publishes it under the following license :

Multichill (talk) 17:46, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

•  Support Reusing the data so we do not have to type it in twice sounds like a good idea to me. --MGA73 (talk) 17:49, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
•  Support Sure, time-saver for future and backwards compatible. Why not ? Krinkle (talk) 18:06, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
  •  Done. Multichill (talk) 17:16, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

New implementation

See Template:Self/new. Multichill (talk) 17:18, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Anyone? I just converted {{Information}} and plan on doing this template in the next couple of days. Multichill (talk) 12:20, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Do it. Rocket000 (talk) 23:23, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

 Done. Multichill (talk) 19:12, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh, now I understand what you're doing. Good idea. Could you do it to template:delete too perhaps? It would be useful for users to see an image is about to be deleted. / Fred J (talk) 18:58, 12 March 2010 (UTC)