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User:Yann and wheel-warring

(This could be a user problem as well, but I think it's a better fit here).

Yesterday, I closed two deletion requests concerning Studio Harcourt photos as Delete with the rationale per nomination. Harcourt photos were declared to be collective works by a French court, which means they are in the public domain in France 70 years after first publication. This photo is less than 70 years old, and it will be protected in the US until the end of 2052. (see [1] and [2]) and deleted the files.

Several hours later, Yann undeleted the files, completely reverted (effectively removed) my changes to the deletion requests and replaced them with his own closures, with the rationale Kept: The French state bought the photo archives of Studio Harcourt in 1991 and released them under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported license. He also came to my user talk page (after he had already reverted my closures) and told me that As per the discussion in Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Tisourcier, Harcourt photographs taken between 1934 and 1991 are not under copyright per ticket:2020112910005534. Which is notably a different claim and not the same he used to close the DRs after reverting my closures.

Now I'm perfectly willing to discuss both these claims and the general copyright status of the Harcourt photos, and have in fact right now started a discussion at COM:VPC#Copyright status of photos by French photo studio Harcourt.

BUT just reverting another admin's DR closure which you don't like and replacing it with your own is not OK. That is wheel-warring and should not be engaged in. It simply cannot be the way we interact with each other here, and it is a profoundly disturbing way to treat a colleague. The proper way to handle something like this is to ask the admin in question to reconsider, and if that doesn't change things, take it to another venue like (in this case) a undeletion request or another appropriate forum. All things Yann should know. I've already asked him (on my user talk page) to do that, but he did not. So I'll ask him here again to undo what he did in this matter and follow a proper course of action. I realize Yann is a very prolific admin and valuable for Wikimedia Commons, but that does not mean he should get away with blatant actions like this. --Rosenzweig τ 09:36, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you @Rosenzweig here completely. Reversion here is not a good step to begin with, simply because one disagrees with the closing statement of the admin. A simple way forward was to ask and I'm sure Yann knows it more than me. It is really not okay. I'd really appreciate him revert both of their edits and continue with the discussion and let uninvoled admins handle it. Regards, Aafi (talk) 09:53, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Rosenzweig, too, and I also respect Yann's many very valuable contributions to Commons a lot. But Yann has also a tradition of quite forcefully trying to push through things according to his opinion, sometimes making proposals and then deciding himself that they're accepted and implementing them. One example is here on my discussion page, another one I had not the energy to bring up yet is his introduction of his unclear proposed "orphaned old works" policy into COM:L#Old orphan works which makes things more muddled than helping in any way, but I digress... - Yann, I would recommend a bit more restraint in your actions when you disagree with your colleagues, because, as Rosenzweig says, we just can't work together like this. Gestumblindi (talk) 10:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I find it problematic that Rosenzweig voted in the discussion at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Bergman Harcourt 1957.jpg and, despite the situation being controversial, closed it herself. That it's being reclosed by an admin that wasn't involved in it, seems normal. Enhancing999 (talk) 12:26, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And if I had simply been asked to, I just might have changed that myself. I was not asked though. --Rosenzweig τ 13:39, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's a fair point, Enhancing999; I myself have made it my personal policy to never close deletion requests where I participated substantially in the discussion (with an opinion / vote on the matter) , but I know that other admins (including Yann and, apparently, Rosenzweig too) don't see that as an issue - in Rosenzweig's place, I wouldn't have closed that deletion request after voting in it, but this doesn't make Yann's overruling of Rosenzweig any better (I see both things as bad style). Gestumblindi (talk) 18:09, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, These deletions were just wrong. It is very sad that Rosenzweig doesn't recognized that, and instead posts here. Yann (talk) 14:13, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On this, Yann, I believe we are discussing a different thing and not if the deletion closures were right, but if the reversion without interaction with the closing admin, was fine or not. Regards, Aafi (talk) 14:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see that you also posted to VPC. I am fine discussing the copyright status of these files. But what's the point to duplicate the issue here? Yann (talk) 14:21, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Yann: The VPC thread is about the copyright questions. This thread here is a complaint about your behavior in this matter and also asking you to undo it. --Rosenzweig τ 16:11, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I will undo my closure and delete the files, if the discussion on VPC shows that they can't be accepted on Commons. Yann (talk) 16:19, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Yann: I think it is very likely you are right on the substance of this, but also absolutely clear that you went about this wrong. Step one should have been to contact the closing admin (Rosenzweig), discuss with them and try to get them to revert themselves. Failing that, you probably should have started an undelete request. What you did comes off as "I'm more admin than you." - Jmabel ! talk 17:31, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can understand your point of view, but I feel it is very bureaucratic. Now you ask me to delete again this file, and to request undeletion, even when you recognize that it will finally be undeleted? Yann (talk) 12:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Considering that there is an extensive and ongoing discussion at the VPC section, I would suggest restoring the original closure message, leaving a pointer to the VPC section in the DR, with a note somewhere saying something along the lines of "the outcome of this deletion request is challenged and being discussed at __". I think the file can stay during the discussion temporarily, and permanently if the outcome is "keep". (If anything, having the file visible helps the discussion.) whym (talk) 03:09, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Or: Will Yann and Rosenzweig offer to retract their closures and post votes/comments there instead? If both answers are yes, then it seems appropriate to do so, reopen the DR, and have a third admin to close (after waiting to see if additional comments are coming there). whym (talk) 01:54, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, I would. Basically this question will need to be decided for all Harcourt photos at the VPC discussion anyway. --Rosenzweig τ 10:46, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK. I reverted my closure. Please note that similar DRs were closed as kept by other admins, i.e. Commons:Deletion requests/File:MarinaVlady-1952-Harcourt.png. Yann (talk) 12:40, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, here's another case, I believed that Yann (talk · contribs) wrongly closed Commons:Deletion requests/File:28码脚型飞机杯（右脚）.jpg, although the user has pointed out on Yann's talk pageUser_talk:Yann#c-Lemonaka-20240710090000-Dronebogus-20240708233700, they showed an w:WP:IDHT attitude. Lemonaka (talk) 07:42, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's no previous DR for this photo, if you searched DR Archive, and this closure is truly not good. Lemonaka (talk) 07:43, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In that case (of a file kept currently), can you just request deletion again asking for a closure by another admin? Obviously we don't want to encourage asking for third, forth admins etc redundantly, but asking for a second opinion seems reasonable if the previous discussion was not substantial. Note also that this section is about "wheel-warring". whym (talk) 12:22, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abuse filter blocked

Hi, i wanted to apply correct license to this file File:LOGO MIRABAUD BLUE RGB.jpg. However,my edit is blocked bu abuse filter (protect addition of file overwrite permission). Can you please replace the {{self|cc-zero}} license with {{PD-textlogo}} and {{Trademark}}. Alternately, explain why my edit was blocked and explain the correct method to do it myself. Thank you in advance. Nicolas22g (talk) 17:34, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Nicolas22g: ✓ Done Replacing one license with another appears to have been restricted only to users with the patroller right in order to prevent vandalism. I've made the change you requested and also gave you the patroller right so you won't run into this issue in the future. Cheers, The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 17:44, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, that is not normal. GPSLeo made a grave error while editing the filter. Please revert the filter change immediately. --Geohakkeri (talk) 17:47, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Seriously this is an emergency! The file namespace is pretty much all blocked now. --Geohakkeri (talk) 17:58, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I leave the issue expressed by Geohakkeri in your capable hands. Nicolas22g (talk) 18:13, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I forgot to change a copy pasted line while editing the filter. This is now fixed. GPSLeo (talk) 18:19, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, it isn’t! All file page edits by non-patrols are currently blocked if the page contained {{Allow overwriting}} (or {{Allow Overwriting}} and so on). Which is a whole lot better than a while ago but still quite awful. If you don’t get it right right away, please simply rollback to the old version. --Geohakkeri (talk) 18:33, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That was another problem now solved. But this problem got no hits during this time. GPSLeo (talk) 18:44, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GPSLeo: Please check once again. Special:AbuseLog/10790866 doesn’t look good. --Geohakkeri (talk) 09:11, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It isn’t enough to check whether the new wikitext includes the template (or one of its various spellings) but the filter must also check that the template wasn’t there already. One way to do that is indeed to read added_lines (as the filter used to do previously). --Geohakkeri (talk) 10:11, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Loves Earth in Ukraine: Request for MassMessage

Hello! I have a quick request from the organizing team of Wiki Loves Earth in Ukraine. We'd like to send an invitation-reminder about the last days of the contest to those who participated in previous-year editions but haven't taken part in this one.

Here's text of the message, and here's the list of receivers. Thanks! OlesiaLukaniuk (WMUA) (talk) 10:40, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @OlesiaLukaniuk (WMUA). ✓ Done I have taken care of this. Regards, Aafi (talk) 14:49, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much, Aafi! OlesiaLukaniuk (WMUA) (talk) 14:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Checkmark This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. Regards, Aafi (talk) 14:52, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Ophrys

Please make User:Orchi stop incorrectly editing categories of https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ophrys_holosericea_gracilis_(B%C3%BCel_%26_al._1973).jpg

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ophrys_holoserica must be corrected into: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ophrys_holosericea

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ophrys_holoserica_-_inflorescences must be corrected into: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ophrys_holosericea_-_inflorescences

https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ophrys_holoserica must be corrected into https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ophrys_holosericea — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elena Regina (talk • contribs)

I replied at User talk:Jeff G./IP and wrote to the user.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 10:37, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Revdel request

Can the first admin who is willing email me and then post that you've responded on this thread? Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:30, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Restricted permission to create Data namespace files?

I'm enriching information about the archaeological site of Dura-Europos, and working thorugh the process of creating geoshapes for individual buildings within the site for map visualization; I have successfully created these shapes previously in the Data namespace on Commons and connected them to their WD items and Pleiades records. However, upon trying to run through my usual workflow yesterday, suddenly I'm running into an unexpected message when I try to select a new name in the Data namespace: upon selecting a namespace that I expect to be free (as per my usual process), I get a message that I don't have the "permission to create this page". (See screenshot). This is new, and not a prompt I have experienced before, and I'm especially surprised since I just uploaded a geoshape using the same workflow only a few hours prior! Can someone help me figure out what's going on? Ahc84 (talk) 14:55, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ahc84 (talk) 14:55, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think you forgot to add .tab to the end of the filename. --Geohakkeri (talk) 15:02, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Indeed, that was the error! All fixed! Ahc84 (talk) 16:16, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please delete Category:Aircraft by location by airline to make way for a move

Category:Aircraft by airline by location needs to be moved to that name. Alternatively, if you want to just do the move that would also be fine. There are almost 3,000 subcategories, so I'd be happy to take care of recategorizing those if you want. Thanks. -- Auntof6 (talk) 01:11, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Auntof6: removal done. - Jmabel ! talk 04:31, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jmabel: Thanks! -- Auntof6 (talk) 04:54, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Uploader request for deletion

I feel this File:Sebastian me.jpg doesn't meet G7 and converted it into a regular deletion. However, the uploader wants it to be speedily deleted. If any admin feels it should be deleted speedily, please do act on this courtesy deletion request. Regards, Aafi (talk) 03:13, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd have deleted this under F10 but the uploader is not a non-contributor. I would appreciate any kind opinions as well. Regards, Aafi (talk) 03:17, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
✓ Gone Bedivere (talk) 03:54, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sebastian 1999 Please don't modify others' comments as you did here. It was not a typo. Thanks. Bedivere (talk) 22:15, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Preventing spam

Hi, In view of Commons:Requests for checkuser/Case/Calsecale5 (massive sock farm uploading a few files each for spamming, undetected for months), we need some way to prevent this to occur again. A new abuse filter? Yann (talk) 10:51, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:VNC200 once again

Can we do something about @VNC200's actions? He is back at doing what he does best. BAD FAITH EDITING. He continues to remove copyvio nominations from files uploaded by him (unexplained) which is not in his right. Most recent example is File:G20 India 2023 logo.svg. There have been previous instances too like see Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive 96#User:VNC200. He did the same before too. Some more examples can be found on his talk page too. Also (on a lighter note) how many more copyvio uploads and bad faith editing will it take to act against him? ShaanSenguptaTalk 11:19, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done Blocked for a month. Yann (talk) 11:52, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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