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File:2019-05-18 Fußball, Frauen, UEFA Women's Champions League, Olympique Lyonnais - FC Barcelona StP 1004 LR10 by Stepro (cropped).jpg

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bad quality crop; not in use anymore; no longer useful because of now better pic in category Stepro (talk) 16:06, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment It's DRs like this that make me think the custom UEFA template has a de facto "no derivatives" clause. If this gets deleted, then we might as well delete all of the UEFA template photos. As far as this photo goes though,  Keep since nominator has not presented a valid reason for deletion. Abzeronow (talk) 16:20, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
There is no connection between template and the DR. This is picture is simply blurred. It has a bad quality. Wikimedia Commons is not the place where we need crops from every image. There are (also here on Wikimedia Commons) much better pictures of the player, this picture is not used.  Delete --DCB (talk) 16:34, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Delete I take no issue with "blurred", this image isn't bad enough for that to be a reason for deletion. The arm and hand though, do not belong to Andrea, even though in this crop at first glance they would appear to. Once you know the arm and hand belong to another player, this crop starts looking really weird. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 16:50, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Alexis Jazz: perhaps better to overwrite with another (wider) crop? Incnis Mrsi (talk) 05:47, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
… although in light of Commons:Deletion requests/User:Stepro/UEFA this narrow dispute gradually becomes moot. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 06:00, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Incnis Mrsi: We already have File:2019-05-18 Fußball, Frauen, UEFA Women's Champions League, Olympique Lyonnais - FC Barcelona StP 1004 LR10 by Stepro (cropped) 2.jpg as a crop of the action and another image for infobox usage. Do we need another crop? - Alexis Jazz ping plz 13:09, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep No valid reason to delete. The fact that the file is not in use anymore (not a valid reason to delete), is due to it being removed by Stepro (albeit by a better image). He also opened an deletion request on the original image. So how is this not an attempt to create a de facto no derivative clause? If this file is deleted, this is a recognition of an de facto no derivative clause by Stepro as argued in Commons:Deletion requests/User:Stepro/UEFA. Tm (talk) 18:54, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • The thing is, Tm, the file wasn't simply "removed by Stepro" but was, as noted above by Stepro, it was replaced by a much better one uploaded today. It's like you are punishing Stepro for improving the article and improving Commons repository by uploading better images. Your comment on the other DR, where you claimed it shouldn't be deleted because it is "in use" on a couple of Commons galleries, one of which is Stepro's, represents the lowest form of argument possible on a DR. Commons is a repository and any galleries on this site do not constitute "in use". -- Colin (talk) 19:35, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • @Colin: The fact is that one of the arguments to delete this image, as said by Stepro, is that "not in use anymore", is not a reason to delete. And it was him that removed the image from its use, so, besides being not in use not invalid reason to delete, it was his actions that took this image out of use. Or will we start to delete images of persons that are replaced every day?
      • And about your said that ir seems that i´am trying to "punish" Stepro does not hold water. Guess who two months ago voted to keep his images? Me. So your comment is funny, but nothing else.
      • Also it was Stepro actions that took us here : 1- He nominate to speedy deletion this and other files, but was reverted by me, 2- He then went to the Administrator Noticeboard, accusing me of making bad reversions, but was told that his actions and speedy deletion requests were invalid 3- He opened an deletion request the source image of this image, 4- He opened this deletion request. Taking into account Commons:Deletion requests/User:Stepro/UEFA, nominating this derivative works to speedy deletion are an de facto no derivative restriction (and yes "motives of the DR creator" are relevant in this case), contrary to Commons policies and to what CC-BY_SA 4.0. If Stepro wanted to control the creations, he should have licensed this images as CC-BY-ND, license not allowed in Commons. Tm (talk) 21:15, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Tm, the file is no longer in use. This fact is due to a photographer improving Commons by uploading a better one. The fact that Stepro substituted it is raised here by you as though that was some underhand action to permit deletion by devious means, rather than the totally desirable situation that occurred. Of course we could have editors who deliberately remove an image from an article to make it not "in use" just as I have seen editors who deliberately gratuitously insert an image somewhere to make it "in use". We've even seen your ridiculous claim elsewhere that being in a personal Commons gallery counts as "in use". You seem rather concerned about history and actions and not at all concerned about the image here. Could you, for once, consider the image here, and whether Commons has any purpose in holding onto this bad crop. Nobody can use the crop -- it has someone else's arm pretending to be the player's arm. Once you've seen that mistake, you can't unsee it. Different crops could be made of the source image if desired. We have a better close up of the player's face now, so don't need to be desperate to use this. I think you are voting keep simply because you edit warred and now have bad faith with the nominator, rather than out of any actual concern about "reasonable expectation of educational use", which there is none. -- Colin (talk) 07:31, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Delete I agree with Alexis. The arm is someone else's and this crop image has no conceivable educational use on any project (we other better photos of the player). Motives of the DR creator aren't relevant. -- Colin (talk) 19:35, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Delete Because of the facial expression you can't actually see what the subject looks like and the image is not flattering. The original image is an action shot and in those the players can have weird facial expressions and it's fine, but a close-up is not useful when you can't see the subject that well. I have done some crops myself and I would not crop an image like this because of these issues. -kyykaarme (talk) 19:42, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'll add that the crop was made very recently and the photographer replaced it soon with a better image, so losing the cropped version is not really a loss. At first I was concerned about the original photographer wanting to delete a cropped version because I have started making crops and I wouldn't want to be targeted by the original author for making them, but in this case I believe the photographer has a valid point and the image can be deleted as a courtesy and because the image is not useful in a positive way. -kyykaarme (talk) 23:10, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Delete There are some here that argue that Personality Rights are of no issue within our community and should only be applied by users outside our community, while we hold ourselves exempt from such outside infringements by a general disclaimer. Than why should we add a personality rights tag in the first place, if we as a community don't even give a shit about it?
"Although this work is freely licensed or in the public domain, the person(s) shown may have rights that legally restrict certain re-uses unless those depicted consent to such uses. In these cases, a model release or other evidence of consent could protect you from infringement claims. Though not obliged to do so, the uploader may be able to help you to obtain such evidence."
What is so difficult to understand in this wording, that we, within our system can't contact the uploader before we make such a crop, if he might have a better image, or have contact with the person depicted, or if even a bad crop is even needed to illustrate an article, or a list, or whatever, or if the original will do as well? Such a civil approach was not taken. Stepro tried to divert the damage with his right to ask for speedy deletion within our time limit. That right was denied to him, he was even accused of being disruptive. The only disruptiveness I see is the uncivility I see within our Commons Community towards the Concept of Personality Rights. Ideally we should move this discussion to a Meta-level, but for now we have to fix the damage locally. --Wuselig (talk) 10:46, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: Per discussion. --Gbawden (talk) 13:37, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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