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:Hi, {{U|AstrooKai}}! I am glad to see you active in covering Bini on Wikipedia. Side note, "Karera" is by far my favorite in their discography.
:To note, a "composer" refers to the ones who write the music, a "lyricist" refers to the lyrics, and a "songwriter" refers to the ones who did both music and lyrics. The three Bini members ''can'' be placed in the lyricist parameter. However, I saw [https://billboardphilippines.com/music/features/5-facts-you-didnt-know-about-binis-karera-as-told-by-nica-del-rosario-tickets-2024-concert-biniverse/ an article] that suggests Nica Del Rosario of FlipMusic wrote both music and lyrics, while I am not sure for the rest of the FlipMusic crew, so she needs to be included in the lyricist as well if you are to use those parameters. I rarely see both "composer(s)" and "lyricist(s)" put into use in pop culture related song articles, especially those from the West, so I suggest, list them all using the "songwriter(s)" parameter instead to avoid
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::Hello! Thanks for the helpful insight! I also rarely see both "composer(s)" and "lyricist(s)" being used in tandem in pop-related song articles so it made me think twice. I also decided it is better to list them all under "songwriter(s)", considering that no other reliable sources specifically cover the music's production besides the credits itself. I also took a look at Bini's other song "[[Kapit Lang]]", where one member of the group wrote additional lyrics for the song and was listed under "songwriter(s)". Considering that both songs have the same situation, I figured it is more appropriate to list them all under "songwriter(s)" to avoid irregularities and inconsistencies among other articles. Thank you once again for your help, it is deeply appreciated!
::P.S. "Karera" is also by far my favorite. In fact, it was this song that first drew me to their music. [[User:AstrooKai|AstrooKai]] ([[User talk:AstrooKai|talk]]) 06:21, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
::Quick question, when I list the three members in the songwriters, do I list them like this or in other form?
::{{Blockquote|{{hlist|Nica Del Rosario|Jumbo De Belen|Miguel Cortes|Bini (Colet, Mikha, Stacey)}}}} [[User:AstrooKai|AstrooKai]] ([[User talk:AstrooKai|talk]]) 08:17, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
:::Hi, {{U|AstrooKai}}! As far as I know, it has been a norm for song articles to use the birth names of the songwriters involved in the article, like how in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alejandro_(song)&direction=next&oldid=1123034976 this FA article], [[Lady Gaga]] was credited by her real name, Stefani Germanotta, and her co-writer [[RedOne]] was credited by his name Nadir Khayat (Though, I can't find a discussion about this as a basis). I would suggest something like: Nica Del Rosario • Jumbo De Belen • Miguel Cortes • Nicolette Vergara • Mikhaela Lim • Stacey Sevilleja, as obtained from [[Tidal (service)|Tidal]] ([https://listen.tidal.com/album/348432477/credits]). – [[User:Relayed|<span style="font-family: Microsoft Sans Serif;letter-spacing: -.6px;border: 2px solid;border-radius: 5px;border-color: #252f9c;background: #252f9c;color: #cfe5ff;">Relayed</span>]] ([[User talk:Relayed|t]]{{•}}[[Special:Contributions/Relayed|c]]) 09:59, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
::::In addition, when writing the article's prose, you can use their mononym stage names to denote that they are the songwriters, except in the infobox and the "Credits and personnel" section. – [[User:Relayed|<span style="font-family: Microsoft Sans Serif;letter-spacing: -.6px;border: 2px solid;border-radius: 5px;border-color: #252f9c;background: #252f9c;color: #cfe5ff;">Relayed</span>]] ([[User talk:Relayed|t]]{{•}}[[Special:Contributions/Relayed|c]]) 10:05, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::I see. Based on the credits of [[Spotify]] and [[Apple Music]], the members are referred to as "Ma. Nicollete Vergara", "Mikhaela Janna Lim", and "Stacey Aubrey Sevilleja". I guess this can also be used alternatively to what [[Tidal (service)|Tidal]] shows? In any case, thank you for your help! [[User:AstrooKai|AstrooKai]] ([[User talk:AstrooKai|talk]]) 10:30, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::Oops, small typo. It is "Ma. Nicolette Vergara", with two "t" instead of "l". [[User:AstrooKai|AstrooKai]] ([[User talk:AstrooKai|talk]]) 10:31, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::::{{Ping|AstrooKai}} Actually, upon checking, those three streaming services share the same information (Ma. Nicolette Vergara, Mikhaela Janna Lim, and Stacey Aubrey Sevilleja). I just cut short their names in my previous response. – [[User:Relayed|<span style="font-family: Microsoft Sans Serif;letter-spacing: -.6px;border: 2px solid;border-radius: 5px;border-color: #252f9c;background: #252f9c;color: #cfe5ff;">Relayed</span>]] ([[User talk:Relayed|t]]{{•}}[[Special:Contributions/Relayed|c]]) 10:41, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::::I see, thank you for your help! [[User:AstrooKai|AstrooKai]] ([[User talk:AstrooKai|talk]]) 10:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::No problem! – [[User:Relayed|<span style="font-family: Microsoft Sans Serif;letter-spacing: -.6px;border: 2px solid;border-radius: 5px;border-color: #252f9c;background: #252f9c;color: #cfe5ff;">Relayed</span>]] ([[User talk:Relayed|t]]{{•}}[[Special:Contributions/Relayed|c]]) 12:03, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
{{Outdent|:::::::::}}Hello! I have another question. I'm on the process of adding the part about the song's meaning and its significance to the songwriter, Nica.<ref>{{Cite news |last=Antonio |first=Josiah |date=September 25, 2023 |title=BINI's 'Karera' tackles mental health, says composer Nica del Rosario |url=https://news.abs-cbn.com/entertainment/09/25/23/binis-karera-tackles-mental-health-says-composer-nica-del-rosario |work=ABS-CBN News}}</ref> But I'm not sure where to add it, whether in the "Background and release" section, the "Composition", or other section. I would like to hear your suggestions or feedback about this, thank you. [[User:AstrooKai|AstrooKai]] ([[User talk:AstrooKai|talk]]) 15:21, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
:{{Ping|AstrooKai}} Hi, AstrooKai! As far as I am concerned, that part may be best for the "Composition and lyrics" section of the article since "Background and release" is often for information regarding the circumstances before and until the song's release, not the songwriting process. Better yet, consider adding another section titled "Writing and development"; however, only do that if you can find lots of information regarding the songwriting process that can warrant its own section. Otherwise, putting it in "Composition and lyrics" would be fine. – [[User:Relayed|<span style="font-family: Microsoft Sans Serif;letter-spacing: -.6px;border: 2px solid;border-radius: 5px;border-color: #252f9c;background: #252f9c;color: #cfe5ff;">Relayed</span>]] ([[User talk:Relayed|t]]{{•}}[[Special:Contributions/Relayed|c]]) 17:51, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
::{{Ping|AstrooKai}} Hey, AstrooKai! I was just wondering if my first ping went through? You have not responded to my reply so I figured pinging you again. – [[User:Relayed|<span style="font-family: Microsoft Sans Serif;letter-spacing: -.6px;border: 2px solid;border-radius: 5px;border-color: #252f9c;background: #252f9c;color: #cfe5ff;">Relayed</span>]] ([[User talk:Relayed|t]]{{•}}[[Special:Contributions/Relayed|c]]) 13:05, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
:::Hello, @[[User:Relayed|Relayed]]! Thanks for the ping, I actually haven't received it until now. About the song's meaning, I'm planning on putting it on the "Reception" section instead as part of a paragraph that talks about how the song was considered as a "self-care anthem". Do you think this is appropriate?
:::On the other hand, I'm currently working on the article, but I'm having hard time searching for the song's performance on charts. Since ''Billboard'' discontinued the Philippines Songs chart earlier this month, I am having hard time looking for the chart's history as it is not that saved regularly in [[Wayback Machine|Internet Archive]].
:::I also want to ask about the part where it became popular as a song on graduation ceremonies, do you think it is appropriate to have it placed under the "Commercial performance" section? [[User:AstrooKai|AstrooKai]] ([[User talk:AstrooKai|talk]]) 13:14, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Hey, {{U|AstrooKai}}! I personally think that a "song's meaning" is not appropriate to put in the "Reception" section; that section is used for the circumstances after the song's release, including critics' response, accolades, and commercial performance (unless the last two is substantial enough to have its own section). For the charts, "Karera" peaked at number 7 in the Philippines Songs chart, and I found the archived webpage that supports that information before the chart's discontinuation. About its prevalence in graduation ceremonies, I don't think it's appropriate under "Commercial performance", maybe consider a section titled "Impact"? If the "Impact" section seems too empty, then probably scoot the information in the "Reception" section instead. I hope this is helpful! – [[User:Relayed|<span style="font-family: Microsoft Sans Serif;letter-spacing: -.6px;border: 2px solid;border-radius: 5px;border-color: #252f9c;background: #252f9c;color: #cfe5ff;">Relayed</span>]] ([[User talk:Relayed|t]]{{•}}[[Special:Contributions/Relayed|c]]) 13:37, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::I forgot to link the archive, here it is: [https://web.archive.org/web/20240625174258/https://www.billboard.com/charts/philippines-songs-hotw/2024-06-29/]. – [[User:Relayed|<span style="font-family: Microsoft Sans Serif;letter-spacing: -.6px;border: 2px solid;border-radius: 5px;border-color: #252f9c;background: #252f9c;color: #cfe5ff;">Relayed</span>]] ([[User talk:Relayed|t]]{{•}}[[Special:Contributions/Relayed|c]]) 13:42, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::Thank you for the help and advise! [[User:AstrooKai|AstrooKai]] ([[User talk:AstrooKai|talk]]) 14:44, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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== Music group member names ==
Greetings, I am inquiring about the naming conventions for music groups. Recently, an <span class="plainlinks">[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bini_(group)&oldid=1234504105 edit]</span> was made to the [[Bini (group)]] article that added the surnames of its members. This practice seemed unusual to me, as I do not often observe it in biographical articles for music groups. Is it necessary to include the surnames of the members in such an article? <span style="border-radius:7px;background:#FF4500;color:white;padding:4px 6px 4px 6px;letter-spacing:-.6px">[[User:AstrooKai|<span style="color:white">AstrooKai</span>]] │ [[User talk:AstrooKai|<span style="color:white">Talk</span>]]</span> 11:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
:Hi, {{U|AstrooKai}}! It depends on the subject and coverage. Some groups like [[Ben&Ben]] and [[Coldplay]] are listed with their full names since each member is known by their full name, and sources reflect that. For Bini's case, similar to [[Blackpink]] and [[BTS]], the majority of the reliable sources refer to each member by their mononyms, so it is appropriate to refer to them without their surnames in the article. – [[User:Relayed|<span style="font-family: Microsoft Sans Serif;letter-spacing: -.6px;border: 2px solid;border-radius: 5px;border-color: #252f9c;background: #252f9c;color: #cfe5ff;">Relayed</span>]] ([[User talk:Relayed|t]]{{•}}[[Special:Contributions/Relayed|c]]) 11:45, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you for the insight. Do you think it is appropriate to revert the change made in the article? Considering that the members are already known by their mononyms by the general public. <span style="border-radius:7px;background:#FF4500;color:white;padding:4px 6px 4px 6px;letter-spacing:-.6px">[[User:AstrooKai|<span style="color:white">AstrooKai</span>]] │ [[User talk:AstrooKai|<span style="color:white">Talk</span>]]</span> 12:16, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|AstrooKai}} Absolutely, [[Wikipedia:BEBOLD|don't hesitate]]! You can revert it. – [[User:Relayed|<span style="font-family: Microsoft Sans Serif;letter-spacing: -.6px;border: 2px solid;border-radius: 5px;border-color: #252f9c;background: #252f9c;color: #cfe5ff;">Relayed</span>]] ([[User talk:Relayed|t]]{{•}}[[Special:Contributions/Relayed|c]]) 12:25, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
== Lead section on discographies ==
Hello once again, I would like to inquire about the common practices or standards regarding the length and content of the lead section among discography articles. Is there an established norm or general guideline that discography articles typically follow when determining how detailed or extensive the lead section should be?
This inquiry specifically pertains to the [[Bini discography]] article, as I have noticed that it includes an overview section, which is somewhat unfamiliar to me in the context of discographies. I have previously discussed this with @[[User:Borgenland|Borgenland]], who was involved in the split, and the reasoning appears to be valid. But I would appreciate your insights on this matter as well, particularly considering you're a member of the [[Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines|Wikipedia Philippines]]' [[Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines/Task force Philippine Music|music task force]] and familiar with music-related articles.
Thank you.
P.S. I have only recently been able to raise this inquiry, as I was relatively inactive in the past due to personal reasons. <span style="border-radius:7px;background:#FF4500;color:white;padding:4px 6px 4px 6px;letter-spacing:-.6px">[[User:AstrooKai|<span style="color:white">AstrooKai</span>]] │ [[User talk:AstrooKai|<span style="color:white">Talk</span>]]</span> 06:41, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, {{U|AstrooKai}}! Regarding the lead section, it should comply with [[WP:LEAD]], so whatever included information in the list, the lead should indicate those because we want readers to know the context of the list and its contents (you can also use the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Discographies/style|style guide]], though it is an inactive proposal, it is what is usually followed for most lists). Usually, lead sections of good-quality lists should span several paragraphs—but not more than four—and uses [[WP:SUMMARY|summary style]]. I suggest using featured lists like [[SB19 discography]], which I wrote, and [[SZA discography]] as guides.
:Borgenland also recently edited [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=SB19_discography&direction=prev&oldid=1237570552 my list], which [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=SB19_discography&oldid=1237570552 I reverted], because that is not the style followed by most FL-promoted lists. There's no need to split the lead. – [[User:Relayed|<span style="font-family: Microsoft Sans Serif;letter-spacing: -.6px;border: 2px solid;border-radius: 5px;border-color: #252f9c;background: #252f9c;color: #cfe5ff;">Relayed</span>]] ([[User talk:Relayed|t]]{{•}}[[Special:Contributions/Relayed|c]]) 14:21, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::Hi, @[[User:Relayed|Relayed]]! Thank you for your insights and suggestions. I appreciate the guidance on adhering to [[WP:LEAD]] and the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Discographies/style|style guide]] for discography articles. I will review the [[SB19 discography|SB19]] and [[SZA discography|SZA]] discographies as references for structuring the lead section appropriately of [[Bini discography|Bini]]'s discography, as well as using [[List of songs recorded by SB19]] for [[Draft:List of songs recorded by Bini]], which is a list article I'm currently working on. <span style="border-radius:7px;background:#FF4500;color:white;padding:4px 6px 4px 6px;letter-spacing:-.6px">[[User:AstrooKai|<span style="color:white">AstrooKai</span>]] │ [[User talk:AstrooKai|<span style="color:white">Talk</span>]]</span> 14:35, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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