Talk:Schengen Area

How many micro states?

By changing "three" to "four" and including Andorra, I made it more accurate. Reverted because I didn't provide a citation. OK, I'll look for one (rather than cite "personal experience"). But note that the citation previously given said "several," not "three" and did not name them. (And that source is now a 404.) 伟思礼 (talk) 16:12, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Bad citation replaced and additional information added. 伟思礼 (talk) 17:25, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

The citation for "practical impossibility of travelling to or from them without transiting through at least one Schengen member country" is a 404 that redirects to another 404, so I don't know what it says.  But the "practical impossibility" is also true of Andorra. 伟思礼 (talk) 16:32, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Green/yellow map and the new Western Balkans/Ukrainian-Moldovan/North African superstates?

This map (below), half way down the page with green and yellow borders, has some significant issues with the non-EU states, such as the new existence of strange North African/Ukrainian-Moldovan/Western Balkans superstates :) Would someone able to edit maps be able to fix it, possibly by basing it off another template? Also perhaps worth mentioning that the temporary border controls in certain Member States don't apply to all their borders - for example the current SE temporary controls are only towards DK and ferries, not NO or FI. Schengen Area#/media/File:Border controls at internal and external Schengen borders.svg Hentheden (talk) 08:10, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

The map is only showing internal and external borders, not other state borders so I don't see the problem? And yes, the Swedish temporary border controls, in principle, includes all internal borders, that's why, for instance, the border between Sweden and Norway as well as between Sweden and Finland are yellow. The data is based on the notifications sent by the national governments to the Council of the European Union. --Nablicus (talk) 08:47, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Croatia Accession ?Final decision?

"the Justice and Home affairs council of the EU will make a final decision on Croatia’s entry to the bloc on 9 December 2022. Ultimately, the final decision is made by the EU Council, consisting of the EU's 27 government leaders, acting unanimously." Are you saying the Dec. 9 decision is final? If not, when will the final one be? Arrecife (talk) 00:57, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

If the Council adopts the decision at its meeting on 8–9 December 2022, it will be the final one. --Nablicus (talk) 09:30, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! Arrecife (talk) 06:49, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

But for Wikipedia purposes, it will be when wp:RSs report that it what it means; we can't infer.

Not realistic, I suppose but IMO we should really wait until it is put into effect. Strange as it may seem , I doubt that it means that the borders come down within the hour. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 20:07, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

The decision will be final, but it will be effective from 1 January 2023 (if the proposal from the Commission is adopted without changes). There are plenty of sources to support this, nothing unclear in that regard. --Nablicus (talk) 20:28, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

This is indeed the procedure and we have that in sources. However, it is still not certain it will happen. Although it seems more likely than before, it is more than just a formality. The Dutch are historically reluctant for example, and I have not seen sources stating their intended vote.... L.tak (talk) 22:55, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Per various media reports, for example here, Croatia has joined the Schengen zone and has adopted the euro per January 1, 2023. So, this article and accompanying map need to be updated accordingly. Gestumblindi (talk) 19:42, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

 Done — the map will be done in a month's time! Intrisit (talk) 14:36, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Romania and Bulgaria joined Schengen in October 2023!

Romania and Bulgaria joined Schengen in October 2023! New Welaeonska (talk) 15:13, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

It's unlikely they join this year. A 2 days old source:^[1]--BIL (talk) 19:31, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, Romania and Bulgaria can join into the Schengen on October 2023! HOORAY! I AM EXCITED! 2A02:2F04:A312:3F00:DDFF:CF26:6599:E6AD (talk) 10:37, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Look at the date. Your source is from 2011. Dima1 (talk) 10:50, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi!

România and Bulgaria has already joined in Schengen today! Thanks! 213.233.108.202 (talk) 07:36, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Not so. You can see in the European Council page that the Justice and Home Affairs Council did not include the admission of Romania and Bulgaria in their 4-5 December 2023 meeting. Gorpik (talk) 11:47, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Bulgaria

An IP editor keeps removing reference to Bulgaria, saying that it won't happen, blaming Austria. Via the edit note, I invite them to put the evidence here. But meanwhile, the process appears to be continuing:

• https://sofiaglobe.com/2023/12/22/parliament-in-the-netherlands-votes-in-favour-of-bulgarias-admission-to-schengen-report/
• https://www.politico.eu/article/hungary-to-veto-bulgarias-schengen-bid-over-tax-on-russia-gas-minister-says/
• https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2023/12/11/brussels-welcomes-austrias-proposal-of-air-schengen-for-romania-and-bulgaria

So not evident. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:39, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Split article about Bulgaria and Romania

Hello, I am pretty sure no country's accession has been as complicated and politicized as that of Bulgaria and Romania. This has been a controversial topic for a decade already as several countries, primarily the Netherlands, vetoed their accession. It has required heavy negotiation between many political bodies and has affected the domestic politics in Bulgaria, Romania and Austria specially. For example, in Austria, the conservative government is under pressure of applying more restrictive measures against migration, which affects this issue [2]. From Romania there were even threats of sueing Austria [3], as well as threats of ending gas projects with Austrian companies [4]. It has also erupted distrust and hate between inhabitants of these countries [5] [6]. There were also theories of Austria blocking both to favor Russia [7]. I think there's a lot to write about. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 14:22, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

I agree that a separate page is needed, because the main one is already over populated and definitely (and personally sadly) it is going to have further developments down the road in 2024, possibly in 2025. Naskox (talk) 19:09, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Kosovo

Kosovo finally can enter Schengen visa-free, as is shown clearly in this article. The title is however misleading as it suggests Kosovo is joining Schengen. From teh context in the article it is clear that is not the case (it says is joins its balkan neighours, who are also not members). Other articles are more precize (eg here and here)....

It therefore is not correct to add Kosovo as a Schengen member. L.tak (talk) 20:53, 1 January 2024 (UTC)