Talk:Transgender people in sports: Difference between revisions

::::::{{re|SheWhoSees}}, Regarding your terminology question: I agree with [[User:EvergreenFir|EvergreenFir]] that the term is very problematic in that sentence and must be changed. I have learned the term "trans identified male" fairly recently, and I don't believe its use is standardized, yet. I strongly reject the comment that ordinary people will understand what this means; I suspect they will either draw a blank or be completely confused by it on the one hand, or else they will understand precisely the opposite of what it means (in the sense that I see developing). By this reckoning, the term "trans identified male" identifies a minuscule percentage of all trans people, and is defined as an individual [[sex assignment|assigned male at birth]] who affirms a [[gender identity]] of "transgender" (who may decline to identify as [[trans woman]] although they superficially resemble a trans woman), and affirms a sex of "male." The trans identified male presents as a woman (dress, deportment, look), uses feminine identifiers (given name, pronouns), and denies being motivated by entertainment or professional reasons (not a drag queen, impersonator, or hustler). They may express essentialist views of gender, and may be viewed as a transphobic trans person (or as a cisgender transvestic fetishist) by some trans women. I'd love to know where you saw this phrase, and what your understanding of it is.

::::::This is clearly not what is meant in the sentence about testosterone levels, although I wouldn't hazard a guess about what ''is'' meant by it, which is a good enough reason right there to change it to something unambiguous. [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 02:09, 22 December 2017 (UTC)