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::::::::::::::I looked and [[Howard Sachar]]'s ''[https://www.google.com/books/edition/_/0X4BAAAAQBAJ A History of Israel: From the Rise of Zionism to Our Time]'' (Knopff 2007, 3rd ed.) describes Zionism as colonization, many many times in the book. Let me know if you want quotes. [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] ([[User talk:Levivich|talk]]) 15:02, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::yes, please. [[User:Kentucky Rain24|Kentucky Rain24]] ([[User talk:Kentucky Rain24|talk]]) 16:06, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::Zionism is nationalism it's not colonialism. Political Zionism promoted settler colonialism as being necessary to achieve the goal of a Jewish majority state. Eventually this becomes the mainstream.
:::::::::This article includes the history before that view gained political consensus. The influence of cultural Zionism and non-political Zionists is foundational and precedes and even actively opposed a settler-colonial project. this article should include all content relevant to an encyclopedia article.
:::::::::Many early Zionists were vulnerable displaced people who were dependent on Israel and did not have any other country where they could live. They were opposed to an open-ended conflict aligned with european colonial ideologies. it was europeans who had displaced them, after all. Of course, it is normal that early zionists in large numbers wanted consensus, stability and meaningful security. When the geopolitical circumstances changed to include more armed support from the United States and Germany the politics of Israel became more aggressive. Nowadays claiming "all teh land" is the norm.
:::::::::This article is broader in its coverage than to simply dismiss Zionism and its history as settler colonialism (a separate article). [[User:Ben Azura|Ben Azura]] ([[User talk:Ben Azura|talk]]) 13:59, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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I have the ebook so references are to "chapter, section" rather than page number. Bold and blue links are mine.