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====[[Talk:Matt Lee(musician deluxe)]] (closed)====
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* '''[[Talk:Matt Lee(musician deluxe)]]''' – '''Speedy closed''' as other-than a deletion review request. Nothing to do. – '''[[User:Jerry|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:century gothic" ; color=":#eeff00;">'''[[User:Jerry|Jerry</span>]]''' </font><small>[[User Talk:Jerry|delusional]] ¤ [[User:Jerry/Count|kangaroo]]</small> 23:54, 31 December 2008 (UTC) <!--*-->
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* '''[[Matt Lee(guitar player)]]''' – Endorsed due to rampant sockpuppetry and block evasion, see commentary. <b>[[User Talk:JzG|Guy]]</b> <small>([[User:JzG/help|Help!]])</small> 11:13, 1 January 2009 (UTC) – <b>[[User Talk:JzG|Guy]]</b> <small>([[User:JzG/help|Help!]])</small> 11:13, 1 January 2009 (UTC) <!--*-->
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Requester was ''yet another'' block-evading sockpuppet, see [[Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Guitaro99]], main contributor to this debate in favour of undeletion is the IP which turns out to be the same user. There is no way we can trust anybody on this until we are sure we have got rid of this vanity spammer. Wait some time and then let one of the good-faith users bring a fresh DRV which shows what has changed in the real world since the last of the many deletions. If we ever do have an article on this person, the multiply-blocked sockpuppeteer must be topic-banned (indeed, arguably is already sitebanned due to serial abuse of multiple accounts and block evasion). <b>[[User Talk:JzG|Guy]]</b> <small>([[User:JzG/help|Help!]])</small> 10:57, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
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{{drvlinks|pg=Matt Lee(guitar player)}}<small> ([[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matt Lee (musician)|AFD 1]] |[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matt Lee (musician) (2nd nomination)|AFD 2]] | [[Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 September 9|DRV 1]] | [[Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 September 18|DRV 2]] | [[Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 September 28|DRV 3]]| [[User:Spartaz/Musician|Userfied version]]| [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Spartaz/Musician&action=history history])</small>
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<small>NOTE: This DRV was added by [[Special:Contributions/Bill Blake990|Bill Blake990]] per [[User:Lifebaka|<fonti colorstyle="color:green;">[[User:Lifebaka|''lifebaka'']]</fonti>]][[User talk:Lifebaka|'''++''']]'s comment to [[User:Joeyboyee|Joeyboyee]] at [[Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 September 28|DRV 3]] which said, in part, that when the article had been userfied and worked on to "''bring it back here to open up another DRV (or just in this one if it's still running) and have some people take a look at it. If consensus is that it no longer has the issues laid out in the 2nd AfD above, it'll get moved back into the mainspace.''" [[User:Soundvisions1|Soundvisions1]] ([[User talk:Soundvisions1|talk]]) 03:31, 31 December 2008 (UTC)</small>
 
 
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::*'''comment''': In response to [[User:Stifle|Stifle]] - all of this happened rather fast over the last 24 hours so, as far as I go, there was not time to notify every editor who deleted each slightly different named version of the article, nor every editor who participated in the two AFD's or three prior DRV's. At the point we are at now it is somewhat hard to follow the overall history of this subject because pages have been deleted and recreated and redirected and the redirects deleted so page histories are being deleted as well is some cases. This also goes for associated talk pages and their histories. Now, with two userfied versions, neither of which contain 100% edit history, it is difficult to track any version fully. I think the easiest way for now is to look at the original userfied version on September 18 and compare it to how it was when it was reposted to mainspace on December 25: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ASpartaz%2FMusician&diff=260017081&oldid=239381872 September 18 and December 25 dif]. It may be hard to trace fully the changes made since December 25 because both userfied articles have been edited as were the now deleted [[Matt Lee]], [[Matt Lee(musician deluxe)]] and [[Matt Lee(guitar player)]] articles.
:::I do feel that before the article was posted yet again to mainspace there should have been a discussion as had been suggested by [[User:Lifebaka|<fonti colorstyle="color:green;">[[User:Lifebaka|''lifebaka'']]</fonti>]][[User talk:Lifebaka|'''++''']] at the [[Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 September 28|September 28 DRV]]. As the CSD on the (re)created [[Matt Lee]] and the [[Matt Lee(musician deluxe)]] was denied I had assumed good faith and thought there may had been some such discussion on the issue. I found out after the article was speedied anyway there had been no such discussion but I felt, at that point, it didn't matter one way or the other. It was the recreation of ''that'' deleted material into the [[Matt Lee(guitar player)]] mainspace that prompted my G4 nom for that and led to this DRV. [[User:Soundvisions1|Soundvisions1]] ([[User talk:Soundvisions1|talk]]) 16:52, 31 December 2008 (UTC)*
 
* I found'''Note''': this noteadmin ontook [[User:Stifle|Stifle]]the talkMatt Lee page todaydown without looking. The noteMatt belowLee(Musician saysdeluxe)was todeleted mebecause thatanother theadmin Mattundid Leea pagespeedy wasdelete deletedand toomoved hastilyit andlike thatthis nolink oneshows readto the notessite onwithout thequalifier or Matt Lee. :http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Talk%3AMatt+Lee(musician+deluxe)> It was deleted after it was approved by another admin.[[Special:Contributions/76.94.31.7|76.94.31.7]] ([[User talk:76.94.31.7|talk]]) 01:5049, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 
*== RE: your Matt Lee question ==
I am answering your quesiton, in part, here because, in my case anyway, I spent most of yesterday trying to organize things. Also I am fairly certain the bulk of your questions are aimed at the editor(s) who actual did most of the (re)creation of the articles. I first saw that a link to [[Matt Lee]] had been added to another page so I quickly went to the article to tag it for CSD however I saw that a speedied had already been posted, and denied. I also saw that [[Matt Lee(musician deluxe)]] had been posted and then redirected to [[Matt Lee]]. In looking over the history, that at the time as still somewhat in place, I saw that [[Special:Contributions/Joeyboyee|Joeyboyee]] had (re)created the article on December 25. In checking the [[User:Spartaz/Musician|userfied version]] I could not see where, per the comments at [[Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 September 28|DRV - September 28]] by <font color="green">[[User:Lifebaka|''lifebaka'']]</font>[[User talk:Lifebaka|'''++''']] in reply to [[Special:Contributions/Joeyboyee|Joeyboyee]], there had been any request or new DRV to create a new article. But I tried to assume good faith, as a CSD had already been denied, that "permission" to (re)create the new article in mainspace had been obtained. Thusly I focused more on the redirects of [[Matt lee(musician)]] to [[The Divine Horsemen]] and [[Matt Lee(musician deluxe)]] to [[Matt Lee]] and I posted a [[Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#Redirect question|redirect question]] on the matter. From that post things kicked into "high gear" as it were. The re-directs were deleted, the re-created article was speedied, a few of the other deleted articles "spaces" were protected and an [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Need history check for Matt Lee|ANI thread]] was started. As I was posting a response in that thread about possible new sockpuppet issues a new user named [[Special:Contributions/Bill Blake990|Bill Blake990]] created an account and (re)created [[Matt Lee(guitar player)]]. I quickly tagged that with a speedy because it was, now, a recreation of the deleted [[Matt Lee(musician deluxe)]] / [[Matt Lee]] articles. However the {{tl|hangon}} tag was quickly placed and and I replied to the "new" user that what <font color="green">[[User:Lifebaka|''lifebaka'']]</font>[[User talk:Lifebaka|'''++''']] had said in reply to [[Special:Contributions/Joeyboyee|Joeyboyee]] at the [[Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 September 28|September 28 DRV]] had not been followed and [[Special:Contributions/Joeyboyee|Joeyboyee]] had simply created a new article on December 25. That resulted in several things - first this new DRV was [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ADeletion_review%2FLog%2F2008_December_31&diff=261014076&oldid=260835053 created] followed by [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ADeletion_review%2FLog%2F2008_December_31&diff=261019718&oldid=261018171 my "cleaning"] of the headers to reflect a more complete picture, including information on the userfied version. This was followed by a request to userfy and my request/comment that the article was already userfied and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ADeletion_review%2FLog%2F2008_December_31&diff=261035055&oldid=261033793 "no need to userfy again"]. However at the same time I was making that post a newly userfied article was created anyway at [[User:Bill Blake990/Matt Lee(guitar player)]], thusly creating another version of the article.
So by that time, really, I was trying to do research on the old and new, possible, sockpuppet issues as well as asking for all Matt Lee related mainspace names (that were not already locked) to be locked (Which was [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection&diff=next&oldid=261059395 denied] (dif)) and creating/posting info boxes on AFD's, DRV's and userfication on both of the userfied articles talk pages. I only notified <font color="green">[[User:Lifebaka|''lifebaka'']]</font>[[User talk:Lifebaka|'''++''']] as the DRV was created based on the comments s/he made and to [[User:Gtstricky|<font STYLE="verdana" COLOR ="#990000">'''''Gtstricky'''''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Gtstricky|Talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Gtstricky|C]]</sup></b> as they made the original AFD nom from what I could tell. I wanted to notify other involved editors but by 2 am I was already getting glassy eyed and by 4 am I was pretty much out of it. [[User:Soundvisions1|Soundvisions1]] ([[User talk:Soundvisions1|talk]]) 15:50, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 
*'''Note''': this admin took the Matt Lee page down without looking. The Matt Lee(Musician deluxe)was deleted because another admin undid a speedy delete and moved it like this link shows to the site without qualifier or Matt Lee. :http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Talk%3AMatt+Lee(musician+deluxe)> It was deleted after it was approved by another admin.[[Special:Contributions/76.94.31.7|76.94.31.7]] ([[User talk:76.94.31.7|talk]]) 01:49, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 
 
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* note this page shows the movement of this page, Matt Lee(musician deluxe),by user:Metropolitan90 to Matt Lee because the page was approved after a speedy delete was contested and undone. Why is this information all eradicated? Is someone hiding something ? I don't understand because I'm new to all this. 76.94.31.7 (talk) 21:36, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
*I did remove the speedy deletion tag on [[Matt Lee(musician deluxe)]], because the article looked like it was asserting notability and might have sources (although I didn't personally look up the sources to confirm what they said). I was not familiar with the article's history at [[WP:AFD]]. I also moved the article from [[Matt Lee(musician deluxe)]] to [[Matt Lee]] because the former title was improperly spaced and used an unnecessary and unusual qualifier (we have no other articles about anyone named Matt Lee, and if we did, the qualifier for this one should just be "(musician)", not "(musician deluxe)"). Beyond that, I would '''endorse Stifle's Gordian knot solution as above''' -- endorse all previous deletions and allow a new article to be moved into mainspace when it is ready. --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] [[User talk:Metropolitan90|(talk)]] 04:37, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
*Thank you. You can compare the old page to the new page by going on the sites listed above. They are:
* [[User:Spartaz/Musician]] and compare that to the later version at:
▲====* [[User:Bill Blake990/Matt Lee(guitar player)]]====
You'll see a big difference there, if you read it through. Promise. [[Special:Contributions/76.94.31.7|76.94.31.7]] ([[User talk:76.94.31.7|talk]]) 05:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.94.31.7|76.94.31.7]] ([[User talk:76.94.31.7|talk]]) 05:49, 1 January 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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*Go up and look at the part that says re: your Matt lee question. It says it all.
 
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* '''[[Talk:Matt Lee(musician deluxe)]]''' – '''Speedy close''' as redundant request - we already have a DRV on today's log associated with this talk page's article. – '''[[User:Jerry|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:century gothic" ; color=":#eeff00;">'''[[User:Jerry|Jerry</span>]]''' </font><small>[[User Talk:Jerry|delusional]] ¤ [[User:Jerry/Count|kangaroo]]</small> 23:58, 31 December 2008 (UTC) <!--*-->
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