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Iran seizes two American boats & crew

Heads up, breaking on BBC News. Iran has seized two American boats and their crew. It is possible that there could be an article about this incident, and said article would be of interest to this WP. Mjroots (talk) 21:25, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

• Depends. If it develops to the scale of the 2007 Iranian seizure of Royal Navy personnel, an article may be justified. If it turns out to be much smaller scale (a couple of days in the news, hopefully happy resolution, no ongoing reporting), a mention in the relevant ship/unit article would be better (see the December 2004 attempted seizure of a boarding party from HMAS Adelaide (FFG 01)). -- saberwyn 09:12, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

A huge overlooked news

People's Republic of China military reform - I nanostubed it and wikilinked into several articles, merely to bring attention to the topic. A have neither expertise nor interest in the subject; only surprised how Wikipedia missed it. - üser:Altenmann >t 06:26, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

It might be news (there's a wiki for that), but is it an article? I've tagged it as stub and for notability. GraemeLeggett (talk) 12:26, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:V-12 Navy College Training Program

Category:V-12 Navy College Training Program has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for discussion page.--Jahaza (talk) 15:38, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Third opinion is requested

Thank you for your opinion ([1]) about this issue Borsoka (talk) 16:43, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Today's featured article/January 31, 2016

I notified the nominator on this one, but they may be gone. - Dank (push to talk) 02:23, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

38th (Welsh) Division's VCs

Hi guys, I am hoping someone will be able to help.

The 38th's divisional history notes that there was five Victoria Cross awarded for actions undertaken during the First World War. I have been able to find four of those men: James Llewellyn Davies, Ivor Rees, Henry Weale, and Jack Williams.

Does anyone know who the fifth man is, or a way we could find out? I have used the various lists available here on the wiki, but was unable to find this elusive fifth man. If our lists are complete, the man was apparently not part of any of the Welsh regiments that made up the division. So medical services? Machine gun corps? etc?EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 22:38, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Could also be someone (usually officers) seconded from another regiment? Hamish59 (talk) 22:47, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion Hamish, although as of yet I have not been able to nail down who it could have been.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 20:22, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

According to Brig E.A. James, RWF won 8 VCs (1 while attached to another regiment), SWB 6 (1) and Welch 3. I have been through List of First World War Victoria Cross recipients, and other than the four you listed, none of the other men were with 38th (Welsh) Division. Leaves the RFA, RE, MGC, etc. I surprised that the Divisional History does not name the VC winners. Sorry I cannot be any more help. Hamish59 (talk) 21:29, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

New Guinea battle articles

G'day all, for a change from my usual infantry battalion articles, I spent the weekend creating a few short entries to kill a few red links in the Salamaua-Lae campaign and Finisterre Range campaign articles. Overall, they are not very good, but I don't have a lot of sources to work with at the moment, and they were really only intended to provide a start in order to potentially encourage others to build on them. Anyway, I will post the links here in case anyone is keen to help out:

• Battle of Lababia Ridge
• Battle of Mubo
• Battle of Roosevelt Ridge
• Battle of Bobdubi
• Battle of John's Knoll–Trevor's Ridge
• Battle of Mount Tambu

Thanks, all. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 06:34, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for starting these, and it's an interesting example of there still being lots of opportunities for everyone to create articles on significant battles. Nick-D (talk) 10:09, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

If the references aren't under a 2nd level heading, do we still add refbegin and refend? Regards Keith-264 (talk) 10:31, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

G'day, I'm not aware of a rule either way, but I'd probably lead towards consistency as a rule. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 10:56, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Egyptian Navy ships

List of ships of the Egyptian Navy - has two tables, one titled "Current" and the other "Future". Largely edited by a single, 'new-ish' user. The "future" table lists ships that the Egyptian Navy "might buy" or are "in talks to buy". The "current" table lists ships that are still under construction, in another country, and yet to be delivered. I've tried addressing this on the talk page, but to no avail. People are editing other ship-related pages based on this incorrect info. Any assistance here would be appreciated. - ^theWOLFchild 11:51, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Appears to be resolved. - ^theWOLFchild 01:32, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

1st United States Sharpshooters

I came across this while browsing. Not my period of interest but it was a mess, so I gave it a tidy. I feel there is work to be done, though, that needs an ACW specialist. This is an interesting unit, so it would be a worthwhile project.Monstrelet (talk) 13:10, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

War of the First Coalition

Was the Kingdom of Ireland a participant in the War of the First Coalition? Mjroots (talk) 18:31, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Still no answer?

I think that the KoI should be listed in the infobox for the WotFC (and maybe also the WotSC too). The French certainly had no compunction in sinking Irish ships, as reported in contemporary editions of Lloyd's List. Mjroots (talk) 20:01, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Merger RfC

A formal request has been received to merge: Malchow concentration camp to Ravensbrück concentration camp; >>>Discussion is Here<<<; dated November 2015. Your input is needed and welcome. GenQuest ^{"Talk to Me"} 10:39, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Military History Journal vs. The Journal of Military History

A redirect seems to be conflating these two journals, only one of which currently has an article. See Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 January 18#Military History Journal. At RfD, turning redirects into articles is encouraged, so if you can do that, great. We welcome any other contributions you can make to the discussion. --BDD (talk) 17:30, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Taskforce assessment - help needed

I have found Talk:Naval Enlisted Reserve Association unassessed and tried to add it to MILHIST (assuming reserve organizations are within scope to begin with?). But I fail miserably to assign taskforces ("US" and "Maritime") in the template, even though I compared the parameters with other articles, and they seem to be OK. The added taskforces are not shown in the banner's box, nor are their categories added to the talkpage. Help the noob please :). GermanJoe (talk) 07:38, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

This was actually caused by an error in the template code, which I've now fixed. Kirill Lokshin (talk) 07:52, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick fix. GermanJoe (talk) 20:00, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Rotterdam Blitz

We have an IP user removing sourced information at Rotterdam Blitz and edit warring on the British change to target all of Germany after the Rotterdam attack by the Germans, the IP has not provided anything more than a claim it is all lies but if anybody else can pop in and have a look it would be appreciated, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 16:59, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

The official RAF records show the British began bombing German cities on 11 May 1940, three days before the Rotterdam Blitz. See this article by Dominic Selwood: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-two/11410633/Dresden-was-a-civilian-town-with-no-military-significance.-Why-did-we-burn-its-people.html (79.67.102.69 (talk) 17:10, 19 January 2016 (UTC))

Blocked 24 hours for edit-warring - let me know when it resumes and I'll re-apply as necessary. Parsecboy (talk) 19:34, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. MilborneOne (talk) 19:51, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Honours lists - question on sorting - alphabetical or by rank?

I'm doing all the missing British New Year/Birthday Honours Lists and have hit World War I. The way they used to list the names in the London Gazette was unfortunately completely illogical for our purposes and it's extremely time consuming. It's usually manageable but the 1916 Birthday Honours has 2,000+ names and it's a headache. I'm still of course linking names and finding mistakes. But my issues is with how they ordered the names. Particularly annoying is the military listings of the Order of the Bath and Order of St Michael and St George. Normally, we sort the honors alphabetically by last name, divided by military/civilian:

• Military
  • Royal Navy
  • Army
  • Air Force (after it was established)
• Civilian
  • UK
  • Commonwealth

And then of course by precedence of the honour. I've compiled them as the Gazette listed them (this is the source I had to work with) and unfortunately I'm guessing they do it by batches of recommendations and which campaign they earned the honor, which for us is useless, since nothing is named. Some are ordered by military rank and some are ordered alphabetically. I've really worked hard on this (expanding all the abbreviations and fixing the OCR mess from the old PDFs) and would like to get these military honours right. So which is better for the military awards - ordering by rank first or last name? Thanks!

Wow. That's a massive job! I'd suggest by last name would be best. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 04:33, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes, thanks, it's a massive job! I'm a WWI buff so it's very interesting for me. It's pretty sad though, searching to confirm spelling of names etc and see that so many did not survive the war, and in fact a few had already been killed by the time the list came out. But it's cool when you find someone of a lower rank or a chaplain who went on to do something great later in life and already has a Wiki profile. Alphabetical is how they do it now, I noticed, so it seems a good way to go. Thanks. Though Edward Albert Christian George Andrew Patrick David, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall, will have to stay on top of the list for the MC, since he had no last name! —Мандичка^YO 😜 05:14, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

@Wikimandia: - The British Royal Family had the surname Saxe-Coburg-Gotha at the time. It was changed to Windsor in July 1917. Mjroots (talk) 07:29, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Saxe-Coburg-Gotha was actually the royal house they belonged to and not technically a surname. In 1917 they ditched it in favor of Windsor. However the main royals don't really use surnames and when it's required they they go by their titles, thus Prince William was Williams Wales at school and Captain Wales in the navy, not William Windsor. —Мандичка^YO 😜 07:49, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

In which case, he would list under "W" for Wales. Mjroots (talk) 08:58, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Good article nominees

G'day all, the backlog of Milhist GAN nominees has been creeping up significantly since November/December last year, and there are now over 40 nominations that no-one has yet put their hand up for (as well as 12 currently under review). If you have a chance, please have a look at the list at WP:GAN#WAR and pick one to review. It won't take long to put a dent in it if we all have a go. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 04:44, 20 January 2016 (UTC) for the @WP:MILHIST coordinators:

Heroism

The usage of "heroism" is under discussion, see talk:hero -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 06:30, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

potential fake

See Talk:Battle of Nambanje. If nobody can confirm/verify the claimed source in the article maybe an AfD might be advisable.--Kmhkmh (talk) 09:46, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

OK, the issue got resolved. So this section can be closed/archived or however that's handled here.--Kmhkmh (talk) 12:41, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Naval warfare articles

Is there a WP or a convention for recording distances and speeds? I assume "miles" means nautical ones but is that enough? RegardsKeith-264 (talk) 13:15, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

For naval articles assume nautical miles unless specified otherwise (usually statute miles [sm]). Mjroots (talk) 19:58, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, should we add another measure like miles &/or km? Keith-264 (talk) 20:42, 20 January 2016 (UTC)