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Adding Thiyya info to Ezhava first paragraphs
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There are 2 requested edits for this page:
Firstly, Many attempts to make sepearate page for Thiyya are there, including new one at Tiyyar. It maybe becoz of representation issue. So maybe we can add the following information in lead paragraph-
Ezhavas are also known as Thiyya or Tiyyar in the Malabar region.[1][2]
Secondly, in the same lead paragraph it says that "The Malabar Ezhava group have claimed a higher ranking in the Hindu caste system than do the others..." but the source says that both Pullapilly and Kodoth explains that this comparison is only within the Ezhava groups, not with the other groups of Kerala. This also create the confusion. So i suggest this change-
From X: The Malabar Ezhava group have claimed a higher ranking in the Hindu caste system than do the others, although from the perspective of the colonial and subsequent administrations they were treated as being of similar rank.
To Y: The Malabar Ezhava group have claimed a higher ranking in the Hindu caste system than do the other Ezhava groups, although from the perspective of the colonial and subsequent administrations they were all treated as being of similar rank. Piyush Chekavar (talk) 06:46, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Seems reasonable,
Done. I modified the wording of the last sentence of the opening as it was grammatically incorrect, but your change has been included. Garsh (talk) 19:48, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
properly attributing thiyya
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1.As it is called as 'Thiyya' in Malabar District part of kerala and there are arguments of differences in ethnicity and culture which is included in the lead itself, also from the source in the lead para it should have to be : "The Malabar Thiyyar group has claimed a higher rank in the Hindu caste system than the other Ezhava groups but was considered to be of a similar rank by colonial and subsequent administrations."
2.Also Mannanar dynasty and Kattan dynasty were thiyya dynasty from malabar. so it should have to be : Thiyyar dynasties such as the Mannanar and Kattan dynasty existed in Kerala
3. It should be specified where the community is the largest. Here : where in the 2010s they constituted about 23% of the population and were reported to be the largest Hindu community , it should be added 'in kerala'
From X: The Ezhavas, also known as Thiyya or Tiyyar in the Malabar region, are a community with origins in the region of India presently known as Kerala, where in the 2010s they constituted about 23% of the population and were reported to be the largest Hindu community. The Malabar Ezhava group has claimed a higher rank in the Hindu caste system than the other Ezhava groups but was considered to be of a similar rank by colonial and subsequent administrations.
Ezhava dynasties such as the Mannanar existed in Kerala.
To Y: The Ezhavas, also known as Thiyya or Tiyyar in the Malabar region, are a community with origins in the region of India presently known as Kerala, where in the 2010s they constituted about 23% of the population and were reported to be the largest Hindu community in Kerala. The Malabar Thiyyar group has claimed a higher rank in the Hindu caste system than the other Ezhava groups but was considered to be of a similar rank by colonial and subsequent administrations.
Thiyyar dynasties such as the Mannanar and Kattan dynasty existed in Kerala. 207.96.13.213 (talk) 19:40, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- ^ Mandelbaum, David Goodman (1970). Society in India: Continuity and change. University of California Press. p. 502. ISBN 9780520016231.
Another strong caste association, but one formed at a different social level and cemented by religious appeal, is that of the Iravas of Kerala, who are also known as Ezhavas or Tiyyas and make up more than 40 per cent of Kerala Hindus
- ^ Gough, E. Kathleen (1961). "Tiyyar: North Kerala". In Schneider, David Murray; Gough, E. Kathleen (eds.). Matrilineal Kinship. University of California Press. p. 405. ISBN 978-0-520-02529-5.
Throughout Kerala the Tiyyars (called Iravas in parts of Cochin and Travancore) ...