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In the English language, this river is known as 'the River Jordan', and the article name should reflect that. Why is it called Jordan River instead? — Nicholas (reply) @ 22:53, 22 June 2007 (UTC)Reply
“the River Jordan” is a religious imposition on language based in religious syntax. This is an unbiased public article about a geographical river, not an article centered around Judeo-Christian jargon. LissanX (talk) 22:21, 23 February 2018 (UTC)Reply
@Nickshanks and LissanX: Nickshanks is right, LissanX is wrong: 'River X' is the BE standard, not any "Judeo-Christian jargon" (see River Thames, River Bourne, River Avon, etc). We might decide to lead a discussion on whether BE or AE should have priority, but based on facts, not on individual sympathy or antypathy toward this or that "jargon". Stay healthy, Arminden (talk) 16:08, 18 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
The correct course of action for this disagreement would be to publish every article on Wikipedia in both American English and British English versions, each with its own correct grammar, spelling, style and naming conventions. 147.235.207.94 (talk) 08:22, 1 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Citation 1 (1] Klein, Ernest, A Comprehensive Etymological Dictionary of the Hebrew Language for Readers of English, The University of Haifa, Carta, Jerusalem, p. 264) brought to show the etymology of the Hebrew name ירדן to mean "to descend", does not mention the name of the river.
Request for alternative source, or to scrap the given meaning entirely GabeMelvin (talk) 12:50, 2 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
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@Dovidroth: Why have you removed mention of the Golan Heights occupation and kept it for the West Bank? And why have you removed mention of the occupier, Israel? Your edits go against RS phrasing which use unequivocally "Israeli-occupied Golan Heights". [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]. Makeandtoss (talk) 11:51, 27 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
I suspect because that bit of the infobox was using the physical geographical names, Mount Herman and the Golan Heights without mentioning the political states. I note that we might want to double check the source(s) of the Jordan and particular document why we have the coordinate we do, which is not very near Mount Herman. Britannica gives three principal sources: Ḥāṣbānī, Bāniyās, and Dan; the coordinate we have might be the meeting place. I note that Water politics in the Jordan River basin seems a bit clearer on the hydrology. Erp (talk) 15:00, 27 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Erp: The mention wasn't removed just from infobox but also from lede. As for the coordinate, I have no idea why it points where it does, or where it should point. Makeandtoss (talk) 21:58, 27 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
I've adjusted the coordinate to be where the Dan and Hasbani rivers meet and become the Jordan. Also rewrote a bit about the sources. I added infoboxes to the articles on those two rivers. This is still a work in progress. Erp (talk) 03:55, 28 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
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Change the transliteration Nahar ha-Yarden to Nehar ha-Yarden in the Native name section. The vowels in the Hebrew word for river change from נָהָר (nahar) to נְהַר (nehar) in the construct state, so Nehar ha-Yarden is the correct transliteration while Nahar ha-Yarden is incorrect. LexicalDragon (talk) 11:51, 6 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
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The map used in this article fails to denote the Golan Heights, which the State of Israel de facto annexed in 1981 and occupies since 1967. Whether you agree with that or not, Wikipedia should reflect reality, no? You can draw it up as a dotted line to denote "disputed" territory (see Russian version of the article) if you want or as part of sovereign Israel (see Hebrew version), but it SHOULD be included, as it is on Google Maps and every respectable cartographic source. The fact that the information in your articles varies widely depending on the language is highly unorthodox for a project that considers itself an "encyclopædia". 147.235.207.94 (talk) 08:32, 1 July 2024 (UTC)Reply