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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:32, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Only four transclusions. 2010 fork of {{infobox settlement}}, redundant to that or other, more specific templates. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:45, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:37, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox IYPT (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Single use (on page about International Young Physicists' Tournament 2011). Redundant to more generic event or competition template. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:40, 17 February 2014 (UTC) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:40, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:12, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox paranormal place (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only nine transclusions. Labelled as "experimental". Redundant to {{Infobox settlement}}, or other geographic infoboxes. Contains no unique parameters. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:35, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:25, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Upper Hutt suburbs (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only 25 transclusions. Redundant to {{Infobox settlement}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:28, 17 February 2014 (UTC) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:28, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:25, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Berg1 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Non-English template. If kept, should be made a wrapper for {{Infobox mountain}}, and always 'subst:'. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:21, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep as a shimming template, but replace all instances with Infobox mountain.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 06:59, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as a wrapper or shimming template (is there a difference?) and ensure any parameters not in {{Infobox mountain}} are added to the latter. And rename to {{Infobox Berg}} if possible. These types of template are very useful in speeding up translation and transfer of articles from German Wiki. --Bermicourt (talk) 08:36, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete non-English template with non-English parameters. Speedy Delete T3 if possible, since it duplicates an existing English language template. If translation templates are really needed (exactly how many mountain articles are being translated? Or will ever be translated?), it should be a substitution only template. This should not exist as a usable transclusion template as it is not English. If it is substituted, it should result in a normal English infobox mountain -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 00:16, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Commment. You clearly haven't done your homework and checked how many pages still link to this template, but there are several hundred. And there are probably a few thousand still to be translated. As a German-to-English translator, trust me, this template and others like it are extremely useful and save translators significant time because we don't have, time and again, to change every single parameter. Sure, over time, the template can be substituted, but that can be done by anyone without any real language skills. --Bermicourt (talk) 07:40, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      • I did not check the German Wikipedia to see how many mountain articles are there that are not on English Wikipedia, no. However this should not be used on English Wikipedia It is being transcluded on English Wikipedia articles and this should not happen. It is not using English parameters, therefore is not an English template, meaning unilingual monoglot English users cannot edit these articles. This should immediately be replaced by the English language infobox. This fails using English in a fundamental way, making our coding not English, and therefore our articles not English. As I said, if we need this it should be a substitution template that translates everything into the English infobox on substitution. -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 05:27, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        • No, I meant check the links on English, not German, Wikipedia. The fact it's in German is of little consequence because the template comes across complete and needs little modification. Trust me, I do this all the time. There is only an issue if someone wants to modify or add to it but, guess what? There is a socking great table in English in the Infobox documentation that explains precisely what each parameter is. Anyway, calm down, I think we're furiously agreeing that this should be a shimming or substitution template. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bermicourt (talkcontribs) 20:10, 20 February 2014‎
          • We're agreeing that if this is kept it should be a shimming template (substitution template). But your lodged opinion says it should also be usable as a wrapper? (Wrapper templates are not substituted); (ie. {{infobox person}} is a wrapper for {{infobox}} ) Any uses currently on English Wikipedia should be changed to the English-language template. -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 02:07, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as a shimming template. This is a useful template for translators. - tucoxn\talk 21:13, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as a subst-only shim/wrap/template —PC-XT+ 11:29, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:31, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Tin Pan Alley (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only 15 transclusions. 2011 fork of {{Infobox song}}/ {{Infobox single}} Redundant to them or {{infobox musical composition}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:13, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I made this template because I was looking for a template which allowed publishing info to be used with audio or video recording embedded in the info box. At the time I didn't think that {{Infobox song}}/ {{Infobox single}} quite had the right criteria. Looking at it now, I think that {{infobox musical composition}} may be a better fit. If it makes Wikipedians happier to remove this, then OK. Ben (Major Bloodnok) (talk) 00:00, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:32, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox student newspaper (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only 45 transclusions. Redundant to {{Infobox newspaper}} (transclusion count: 5,559). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:09, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:09, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox New Wave (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Single use. Redundant to more generic (news) event, concert or competition template. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:06, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete, adding any useful parameters to the main template. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:55, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox binational animation (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Single use fork of {{Infobox animanga}}, dating from 2008. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:02, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:35, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:List of lymantriid genera (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

unused after articles were updated (by me) to use {{A-Z multipage list}}. Frietjes (talk) 22:36, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was merge into infobox royalty per Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 July 13#Template:Infobox royalty. DrKay (talk) 07:54, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox monarch (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Infobox royalty (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Infobox monarch with Template:Infobox royalty.
Two templates fulfilling an overlapping, if not the same, purpose. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:18, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I feel sure this has been discussed before. I support the merging of the more specific (Infobox monarch) into the more general (Infobox royalty.) DBD 22:25, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Masssly (talk) 07:45, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:14, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Robert De Niro sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Al Pacino sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Ian McKellen sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Judi Dench sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Nicolas Cage sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Marlon Brando sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Woody Allen sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Jennifer Aniston sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Bryan Cranston sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Philip Seymour Hoffman sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Natalie Portman sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Morgan Freeman sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Christian Bale sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Katy Perry sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Three links, all appear on the person's main article. Gloss • talk 20:54, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Lady Lotus: Hey, just out of curiosity. You voted keep here and delete here when that sidebar is the same as all of these. Do you only believe that sidebars with more than two links should be kept? Your rationale here doesn't really match up with the rationale there, so I'm just looking for some clarification, if you don't mind! :) Gloss • talk 19:21, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:23, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Indian state government (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only 44 transclusions. Redundant to {{Infobox legislature}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:36, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep:Numbers alone not adequate justification, particularly because it appears that India has twenty-eight states and seven union territories, so the majority of state governments appear to be transcluding this box. I like that it has headings customized to that nation. I compared it to infobox legislature parameters and as it is used at Montana legislature and California State Legislature. My sense is that infobox legislature, in an attempt to have a worldwide focus, is neither user friendly or easily customizable, though it can be done. The India infobox is simpler to use and appears to be transcluded to most relevant articles. I'm put in mind of {{infobox person}}, which sometimes is the best that can be used, and IS highly customizable if you know what you are doing, but I'm one of the people who finds the xyntax and markup to be a bit mind-boggling, and so is sometimes more helpful to the non-technically-inclined (such as myself) when a simpler one is used, such as {{Infobox horseracing personality}}, for example. JMO Montanabw(talk) 20:16, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep, pending a demonstration of redundancy (e.g., sample conversion, sandbox with testcases, etc.) Frietjes (talk) 21:39, 17 February 2014 (UTC) keep, the sample conversion demonstrates that the template is not redundant, as the use of too many generic fields is "harmful for data granularity". Frietjes (talk) 20:30, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I made a sample conversion. In order to do this properly, we need (if we wish to include them) to add a seventh set of "leader" parameters; a parameter for the number of seats in the second chamber, and parameters for the judiciary, to the legislature template. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:36, 23 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Seems to be a relevant infobox template, simplifying presentation into "Executive", "Legislature" and "Judiciary" blocks, as is the case in Indian central and state governments. "Only 44 transclusions" may not be a valid enough reason to delete the template. There are only 29 states in India. We should see whether it helps in simplifying or improving presentation, is more specific to a certain important class of articles (more than 20 in number, maybe?), etc. Delete if the same presentation can be achieved by Template:Infobox legislature. But I think it is not so. --Sarthak Sharma (talk) 17:08, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was rewrite as a wrapper template. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:18, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox biathlete (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only 18 transclusions. Redundant to {{Infobox sportsperson}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:16, 17 February 2014 (UTC) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:16, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was merge with {{Infobox gridiron football person}}Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:15, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Arena Football player (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only 60 transclusions. Redundant to {{Infobox gridiron football person}} (Transclusion count: 7,203). "Arena football is a variety of gridiron football". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:02, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was merge with {{Infobox gridiron football person}}Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:14, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox AFLretired (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only 38 transclusions. redundant to one or other player infobox - e.g. {{Infobox AFL biography}} (Transclusion count: 6,042), {{Infobox NFL player}} (Transclusion count: 12,077); {{Infobox college football player}} (Transclusion count: 412). When a player retires, we shouldn't have to replace their infobox; but simply update the relevant fields. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:55, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was merge with {{Infobox royalty}}Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:11, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox caliph (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only 17 transclusions. Redundant to other templates, perhaps {{infobox officeholder}}, {{infobox royalty}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:46, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was merge with {{Infobox official post}}Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:17, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox vice-regal (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only 40 transclusions. Redundant to other templates, most likely {{Infobox officeholder}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:42, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I rather think your asinine personal attacks should void your input. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 01:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was delete, since there appear to be no objections to the fact that it was orphaned. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:27, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox photographer (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only 8 transclusions. Redundant to the |Known for= parameter of {{infobox person}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:40, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was merge with Template:Infobox Christian leader or Template:Infobox religious biography, which ever makes the most sense. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:14, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox minister of religion (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only 22 transclusions. redundant to {{Infobox Christian leader}} (transclusion count: 5,089) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:37, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:12, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox floorball player (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only four transclusions. Redundant to generic {{Infobox sportsperson}}.Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:31, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was merge basketball biography and WNBA biography, but no consensus to merge basketball official. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:06, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox basketball biography (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) (Transclusion count: 7,014)
Template:Infobox WNBA biography (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) (Transclusion count: 378)
Template:Infobox basketball official (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) (Transclusion count: 11)

Propose merging Template:Infobox basketball biography and Template:Infobox basketball official with Template:Infobox WNBA biography.
Similar templates for Basketball players. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:24, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was merge {{Infobox baseball biography}} with {{Infobox MLB player}}, but no consensus concerning {{Infobox MLB umpire}}Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:01, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox baseball biography (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) (Transclusion count: 1,883)
Template:Infobox MLB player (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) (Transclusion count: 18,457)
Template:Infobox MLB umpire (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) (Transclusion count: 36)

Propose merging Template:Infobox baseball biography with Template:Infobox MLB player.
Forked templates; should be re-merged and made generic. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:21, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Added {{Infobox MLB umpire}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:05, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was withdrawn Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:07, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:TAPPS 1A 2014-2016 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

fails WP:NENAN. Less than 5 relevant links. The Banner talk 15:38, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was withdrawn Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:08, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:TAPPS 2A 2014-2016 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

fails WP:NENAN. Less than 5 relevant links. The Banner talk 15:38, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn as nominator. Links added to get a useful template. The Banner talk 03:59, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was withdrawn Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:08, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:TAPPS 3A 2014-2016 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

fails WP:NENAN. Less than 5 relevant links. The Banner talk 15:38, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn as nominator. Links added to get a useful template. The Banner talk 04:00, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was withdrawn Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:08, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:TAPPS 4A 2014-2016 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

fails WP:NENAN. Less than 5 relevant links. The Banner talk 15:38, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn as nominator. Links added to get a useful template. The Banner talk 12:37, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:45, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:TAPPS 1A (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

fails WP:NENAN. Less than 5 relevant links. The Banner talk 15:37, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was withdrawn Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 06:33, 23 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:TAPPS 2A (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

fails WP:NENAN with just one link The Banner talk 15:33, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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