Talk:J. G. Sandom

This is J.G. Sandom in reference to this entry about me on Wikipedia. I was just told about the following blurb at the head of this article: "A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view. Please discuss further on the talk page. (February 2013)" I am not sure why this is here, but please feel free to remove whatever was added by whomever added something that was untoward from this article. If you have any evidence about whom it was that added said content, please let me know here; although, I have a sneaking suspicion I know who it may have been. Anyway, I want to make sure that there are sufficient citations or sources for all the information in this entry, and that the article is informative and balanced. Some time ago (years now), I personally cleaned up some inaccuracies (very minor edits), and I also contacted you when a Troll was intentionally maligning me via this venue. But, other than that, at your suggestion, I have left this entry alone, given that it would be a conflict of interest. Any edits or changes made over the last few years were not done by me (though they may have been done by my 12-year-old daughter for a school project!). If any changes were done by this IP address, I apologize and urge you to remove the offending biased copy immediately, or let me know how to perform the appropriate "clean up". Thanking you in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sandom (talk • contribs) 17:33, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

You don't need an administrator for that, but I don't currently have time to walk you through the conflict of interest guidelines and how the {{COI}} and {{Connected contributor}} templates work. Someone should be by fairly soon to help you further. Technical 13 (talk) 17:45, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello,

First, the article doesnt look like its written by a 12 year old. Yet I think I'm going to assume good faith, and take it you helped her with the project.

Second, even though it was your daughter who edited it, it is clear COI. COI is more about the tone of the article than the editors themselves, and this article's tone was full of it to the brim. I've trimmed the article to remove as much of the COI as I could. I suggest you add only the couple most important lines back, should you want to.

I hope further bettering of this article will follow, and the tone of the article gets bettered enough to get the COI tag removed. But for now, I think its going to stay there. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 18:35, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Wow, that was great. You guys really know your stuff. Thank you so much. This is much tighter and definitely not as puffy. THANK YOU! But, please note that I am only assuming my daughter precipitated the COI label at the head of the article as I know she EDITED this piece for a school project. She didn't write it; it was written years ago...and NOT by me. I know this for a fact.

A couple of recommendations, if you don't mind:

HEADER: Author instead of authow.

EARLY LIFE: The folks I studied with at university (Seamus Heaney, Julian Symons, et al), which you removed, are of interest to fans of my books. So is the fact that, although I'm a novelist, I won the Academy of American Poets Prize while at Amherst.

AUTHOR: Is it not appropriate to have key "reviews" of my various books? After all, they were all documented and generated by 3rd party, credible sources. Frankly, I think they're going to reappear anyway once my readers see they're gone. They're like that, my fans.

Please let me know here if I can make the changes listed above. I don't want to risk the ire of your editors again by insinuating myself inappropriately into this process or by doing anything that might be considered COI.

Thanking you in advance.

• Hello again. It is fine for you to edit an article of which you have a conflict of interest as long as you follow the main rules of neutrality and be sure to cite everything that "may" be controversial (if there is any doubt at all, assume it is controversial) with reliable independent sources. Also, to cover your butt, add {{COI|{{subst:DATE}}}} to the article page and {{Connected contributor|Sandom}} to the article talk page (top of this page). Technical 13 (talk) 13:54, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

• I've corrected the word author
• I dont think that would be very encyclopediac to have (folks you were with). You may include the prize, after which, we can check for how relevant it is.
• If your fans add that, we'll have to remove it again. Those reviews do not belong here. Wikipedia is not a place for publishing reviews. Those reviews unbalanaced the article by their sheer volume. If you want to add reviews, I suggest you add no more than 1 or two.
• TheOriginalSoni (talk) 14:03, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, TheOriginalSoni. I appreciate your assistance. I will add just 1-2 reviews for each title (if that's what you meant; if not, let me know) as that may actually prevent fans from doing too many.

Also, once this is cleaned up, I hope you'll consider getting rid of that COI badge at the top of the entry. I think I am meeting Wikipedia's standards at this point and don't really think it's fair to have it up there any longer. But, of course, that's up to you guys.

Thanks again.

J.

Hi Sandom, that wasn't really a question, and you don't need to use the help me template every time you post on a talk page. Soni likely has this page watched, and will see your comments, and likely respond in time. Or you can mention it on his talk page, in which case he will get a notification. Thank you for your contributions. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 17:11, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

• Hello Sandom. I have watchlisted this page, so you dont need to use {{help me}}. If you're worried I might not see it, you just link my username (That is, you say [[User:TheOriginalSoni]] which shows up as User:TheOriginalSoni) and I get a notification.

And no. I meant 1-2 reviews in TOTAL. Use only the most reliable sources, and add no more than 2 reviews.

I doubt its cleaned as of yet. What I did was a very basic sweep. To get this article to standards worthy of removing that tag, a lot more cleaning is required, which requires plenty of time. The tag can be removed provided the article is cleaned up to remove advertisement-like material. [As a rule of thumb, if there is anything your fan might be interested in, but not me, as a random person who meets you, then its probably advertisement and needs to be removed] TheOriginalSoni (talk) 17:19, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

For the record, the COI tag was added to the article after these edits by User:Sandom back in February. I think that's the evidence he asked for earlier... This wasn't years ago, and I seriously doubt a 12-year-old would write that "He works with ad agencies and other marketing services companies to enhance their digital marketing solutions, to identify and purchase digital marketing production resources and interactive agencies worldwide, and assists companies in selecting the most appropriate interactive ad agencies/digital marketing services companies to meet their Internet marketing needs", and sharing an account would be a direct violation of Wikipedia's policies anyway. See also the "my little brother did it" defense - "my little daughter did it" is not better. Huon (talk) 18:13, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Clean up

I am removing the following to the talk page:

peacock info/unreferenced

J. G. Sandom, often referred to as the "Father of Interactive (Internet) Advertising," co-founded the world’s first interactive advertising agency, Einstein and Sandom Interactive (EASI), in 1984,

Sandom built the executive team, purchased equity stakes in off-shore Web production company Critical Mass (Calgary, Canada) and email marketing company Innovyx (Seattle), productized cyber-analytics and e-Care (digital call center) offerings, recruited the first clients, and managed the business until it was on its feet. He was responsible for executive management of the company, and its growth to more than $40MM in revenues in the U.S., with 300+ employees worldwide, and offices throughout North America, Europe and Latin America -- at a time of industry contraction. RappDigital Network clients included SBC Communications, Mercedes-Benz, Philips Consumer Electronics, Pfizer, Exelon, Kaiser Permanente and Reuters, among others.

author review of book

Scott Turow, author of Presumed Innocent and Ordinary Heroes, called , "A gripping story, well-told...not only a tale of murder and betrayal, but an intelligent exploration of issues of male identity

Unreferenced material

In 1984, Sandom co-founded Einstein and Sandom Interactive (EASI), the nation's first interactive advertising agency.

==Early life==

Born in Chicago, the youngest of three children, of a Danish immigrant mother (Else Hvingtoft) and father of Lithuanian ancestry (Zane Joseph Sandom), J.G. Sandom moved to Weybridge, England, at nine months. Zane Sandom worked for American Express, and the family was transferred to France, where the author first began attending school at St. Martin's, in the town of Jouy-en-Josas, near Versailles. Less than two years later, Sandom moved to Rome, Italy, where he attended St. George’s English School during the next four years. While in Italy, Sandom performed on the legitimate stage at the Goldoni theatre as a mouse in the English pantomime Cinderella, and in a full-length motion picture produced by Dino De Laurentiis, starring Walter Chiari, called Il Giovedi.

Sandom then moved to San Rafael, California, where he attended the 3-Rs school, and where he first developed an interest in writing. After less than two years in San Rafael, the Sandom family was transferred back to Europe; they resided at the Wentworth Estate in Surrey England, not far from Virginia Water. Sandom attended The Fernden School in Haslemere, Surrey, and Winchester College, in Hampshire, over the next five years, through his "O" levels. During this period, the author’s family was transferred back to the United States, while he remained in boarding school in England.

Sandom returned to the United States at the age of 15. Following two years at New Canaan High School in Connecticut, Sandom entered Amherst College in 1974, where he completed his first novel, THE SEED OF ICARUS. Sandom took a semester off from college in order to work on a freighter (The African Dawn) which traveled to Namibia, South Africa and Mozambique, and then returned to graduate from Amherst with honors with a double major in English and philosophy. While in college, Sandom helped launch a literary magazine called Writing at Amherst with Caroline Thompson, won both the Corbin prize and the Academy of American Poets prize, and studied under a variety of visiting writers, including Robert Stone, Julian Symons and the Nobel Prize-winning poet Seamus Heaney.

Following graduation, Sandom spent several months traveling throughout the Sahara, primarily in southern Algeria, while researching his second novel, THE BLUE MEN. Sandom then moved to New York City where, for the next five years, he worked as a freelance copy writer, public relations and advertising executive, and corporate spokesperson trainer for such companies as Hill & Knowlton and Ketchum Inc. Odessaukrain (talk) 05:28, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Looks like peacock, walks like a peacock....

The citation is to Advertizing: Webster's Quotations, Facts and Phrases (ICON Group 2008); this book widely quotes from Wikipeda and in respect to this assertion appears to directly quote the lead-in in the WP article. What do we call that when a WP Article references itself ? (aside from self-serving). It's certainly still peacock info.-Sticks66 01:09, 24 May 2010 (UTC)