Talk:Adam Hughes

Untitled

I need help here

I wrote most this memory and then went looking for the sources that I would have picked the information up from.

I dont know how to "cite sources" here and need help

the closest thing to a backup

would be the copy of the article on answers.com. But doesn't it is still stored somewhere in wikipedia, or when an article is deleted, the whole history is altogether? I can't understand why it was deleted to begin with... --Extremophile 20:39, 5 October 2006 (UTC) Pig-man needs to die! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.245.125.29 (talk) 06:20, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Mary Jane Statue

I think some mention should be made in this article of the Mary Jane statue controversy. 66.59.129.42 (talk) 14:55, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Not sure how this could be done that doesn't hit 'original research' AND libel. Lots42 (talk) 13:54, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Huh? How in the world would accurately including material be either original research or libel? Original Research would be material based on personal knowledge instead of reliable secondary sources, and libel would be information that is both defamatory and generally untrue. I just added material on the article with seven different sources, which included Newsarama, the Toronto Sun and the New York Post. Nightscream (talk) 03:45, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 3 external links on Adam Hughes. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20150518084415/http://comicsalliance.com/adam-hughes-real-power-dc-universe-poster/?trackback=fbshare to http://comicsalliance.com/adam-hughes-real-power-dc-universe-poster/?trackback=fbshare
• Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/item_ouq5qyzeDoWD2XleEFk93M%3Bjsessionid%3DA44B39DE09E92FE1F48DD31E2C70AF42
• Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.justsayah.com/blog/5/Holy_Moley%21_Its_all_new_and_improved%21/

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 21:30, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Cover Girls Statues

Attn Nightscream:

The disputed section is actually plagiarized from the "cited" article (as in it's not placed in quotations properly). Moreover, even though the mistake was Hughes', the term "stola" is Latin, NOT Greek. As it stands, the article is egregiously erroneous and has nothing to do with my personal opinion about clothing or fashion.

With regards to statues, I can link every individual statue's product page from PreviewsWorld if you'd like. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.229.80 (talk) 17:25, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

As I explained on my own talk page, I did not "plagiarize" anything, since plagiarism, by definition, refer to taking credit for others' work by presenting them as your own through the omission of credit. (Source: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]) The paragraph in question is properly paraphrased, and properly credited to its sources, in accordance with all the relevant policies and guidelines: WP:V, WP:NOR, WP:CS, et al. See this section on my talk page for further discussion on this. Nightscream (talk) 22:08, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Further evidence that Nightscream should be blocked from editing this page -- now reverting my good faith efforts to document the existence of every Adam Hughes Cover Girls statue.70.112.229.80 (talk) 22:27, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Consensus Discussion: Reliability for iconicity of the "Real Power" poster

A conflict has arisen on the following passage in the 2000s section, in the paragraph on the "Real Power of the DC Universe" poster:

“ The poster has become an iconic one, with a long-lived popularity, and has resulted in requests for Hughes to do various other similar ones with men, Marvel characters, etc. It is one of the images for which Hughes has gained a reputation as one of comics' foremost cheesecake artists. ”

User:70.112.229.80 favors removing mention of the iconicity of the poster, saying in his edit summary that this detail "is the opinion of someone who interviewed Hughes but isn't an established academic consensus."

My position is that Comics Alliance is indeed a reliable source for reporting on the comics industry, one that editors on comics-related articles on Wiikipedia regularly rely on for such information, and that therefore, the Comics Alliance article by Andrew Wheeler that is cited at the end of the passage is certainly valid to support that claim, in part because Wheeler elaborates on how it has become iconic: It having resulted in requests for Hughes to do various other similar posters with other sets of characters. 70.112.229.80's requirement that such a claim can only be supported by "academic consensus" represents an unreasonable standard for a claim about a piece of modern comics art, one that is not reflected in the practices of the editing community here on Wikipedia. Interestingly, 70.112.229.80 does not apparently mind allowing mention of these derivative artworks that have been requested of Hughes to remain in the passage (just the conclusion that Wheeler reasonably draws from them), as this is 70.112.229.80 preferred version:

“ Subsequently, Hughes has created similar drawings of other groupings, such as men, Marvel characters, etc. It is one of the images for which Hughes has gained a reputation as one of comics' foremost cheesecake artists. ”

We ask for other editors to weigh in. Nightscream (talk) 21:21, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Hughes creating similar drawings is an empirically observable fact. Whether or not something is "iconic" needs to meet a rigorous standard, especially when we're discussing one person essentially copying himself.70.112.229.80 (talk) 21:55, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

I don't know that calling something iconic requires a "rigorous standard", but after reviewing Cultural icon I agree that this picture shouldn't be referred to as iconic without a qualifier. Wheeler's often reliable, but I think he misused the word in this instance. Argento Surfer (talk) 13:00, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

70.112.229.80 has now taken to blanking out most of the paragraph. Nightscream (talk) 15:55, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Agree with Nightscream on the reliability of Comics Alliance, but if it will satisfy 70.112.229.80, you could attribute the claim like:

“ The poster, which according to ComicsAlliance has become an iconic one, with a long-lived popularity, and has resulted in requests for Hughes to do various other similar ones with men, Marvel characters, etc. It is one of the images for which Hughes has gained a reputation as one of comics' foremost cheesecake artists. ”

--TriiipleThreat (talk) 18:23, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Concur with this version. Nice, User:triiipleThreat.

--Lexein (talk) 18:37, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi, TriiipleThreat, please see below for my suggested revision of the entire paragraph. Thanks!70.112.229.80 (talk) 18:35, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Request to block Nightscream from editing this page

Sorry, Nightscream, but you don't own the article.

1) Adam Hughes mis-spoke and made a factual error, which you insist on repeating here.

2) Changing "Greek stola" to "Greek peplos" is actually an act which you accused me of doing ("whether or not the dress resembles a tunic is not up to you").

3) The entire section about the Women of the DC Universe picture is essentially a plagiarized re-hash of an interview. It's not only plagiarism but also much too long for one piece of Hughes' career.

4) You repeat another person's opinions as if they are facts. You could've written something such as "Wheeler refers to the drawing as 'iconic'.", but instead, you parrot him verbatim as if this is an established consensus.

This is an excellent example of poor writing. 70.112.229.80 (talk) 22:06, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

So let's see:

You had already had it explained to you what plagiarism is, complete with numerous sources that define it ([7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12]), both on my talk page, and on this talk page two sections up, and yet you continue to make this false accusation.

I compromised by changing the term used to describe a garment per your edit summary, yet, now you're complaining about it.

You pretend that any one of these things you list is somehow a blockable offense.

This makes it clear that you not only don't care what definitions of words like plagiarism are, and not only don't care when evidence is presented that proves you wrong about those things, but also that you don't care to learn the policies and guidelines of the website that you're visiting, as if the editing community here is going to ---- what, exactly? Block an editor because an anonymous IP editor says so?

If you think this is going to end well for you or any of the things you're attempting to accomplish, I have disappointing news for you, my friend. But by all means, ignore my attempts to discuss these things with you, if you feel that's the only course of action you're capable of taking. Nightscream (talk) 22:15, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Not any "one" thing, but the totality of your behavior as well as your "ownership" attitude towards the page.70.112.229.80 (talk) 22:19, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Now you're flat out lying. What I actually wrote in my edit was "WW's outfit doesn't resemble a Greek peplos (tunic) anyway", and yet you're using that comment as justification to use peplos instead of stola? Again, Hughes made a factual error, which means that this shouldn't even be in the Wikipedia entry anyway!70.112.229.80 (talk) 22:32, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Sorry if I mis-remembered what you said about the peplos; I should've looked more carefully at your edit summary from January. But yourknee-jerk assumption and accusation of lying doesn't really do much to show that you're capable of discussing editorial conflicts with editors that you disagree with in a civil manner. Nightscream (talk) 00:07, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

@70.112.229.80:, please see Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. A section here requesting an edit block for a user on an article isn't going to reach the your desired audience. -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:25, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

I don't recommend moving forward with a block request because I don't think you (IP) have a strong case, and you're confusing OWN with a content dispute. I think Wikipedia:RfC is a better method for resolving this, although you'll want to boil the issue down to a clear and concise question, like "Is the section on the image giving it undue weight?" Argento Surfer (talk) 13:06, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

I'm going to have to concur with Argento on this, but if you insist on risking the WP:BOOMERANG you can try JHunterJ's suggestion. BOZ (talk) 14:03, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

@Argento Surfer That's essentially what I've been trying to communicate to Nightscream, but he's overly sensitive and possessive about what he wrote. The section is way too long (undue length for one piece of art that Hughes drew in a long career), with extensive paraphrasing that rises to the level of plagiarism. Moreover, Nightscream is parroting Wheeler's opinions in a lot of instances without making it clear that these are Wheeler's opinions or Hughes' recollections of what transpired. It is possible that Hughes mis-remembered (or worse, however unlikely, might be lying). This long-ish paragraph only has ONE source.

I have proposed the following change:

"In 2008, DC Comics hired Hughes to create a poster of the major female characters in the DC Universe as a giveaway for that year's San Diego Comic-Con, to promote DC's upcoming projects. The poster, called "Real Power of the DC Universe", features 11 female characters, standing and sitting abreast of one another. The characters are mostly clad in white outfits rather than their familiar superhero costumes, as per DC's request, so Hughes, wanting to avoid making the poster look like a bridal magazine layout, gave each outfit a slightly different color temperature. He also gave each character a distinctive style. For example, the outfit worn by Poison Ivy features a floral trim. Subsequently, Hughes has created similar drawings with different groupings (such as male characters, Marvel characters, etc.)." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.229.80 (talk) 18:30, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

One more time for the cheap seats:

There is no such thing as "extensive paraphrasing that rises to the level of plagiarism," because plagiarism, but definition means taking credit for someone else's work. It does not mean "extensive paraphrasing", which not only isn't a thing, but essentially a contradiction in terms, such paraphrasing, but its very nature, cannot be "extensive". I don't know if you simply have a reading comprehension problem, are being intentionally deceitful, are simply trolling, or just plain don't care, but I provided you with five different sources that provide this definition (Google, Random House, Plagiarism.org 1, Plagiarism.org 2, The University of Michigan, Columbia College), yet you continue to knowingly and deliberately refer to what you feel is a too-large section as "plagiarism." You have also repeatedly done the same when you falsely accused me of vandalism (once here), and (just minutes ago), after I merely added a mention of the example of the Wonder Woman statue to the paragraph on the statues.

You have repeatedly violated WP:CIV, including WP:NPA, and are now reverting any edit I make to the article for completely arbitrary reasons, which is precisely what WP:OWN prohibits us from doing.

Simply put, your edits and your behavior here are disruptive and incivil, and you will not be permitted to take unilateral control over this or any other article. Nightscream (talk) 18:55, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

And yet you can? Pffft.70.112.229.80 (talk) 18:57, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

No. No one can, nor have I attempted to. You simply don't wish to listen my attempts to explain my edits.

If you want proof of this, I point you to your knee-jerk assumption that I was "lying" when I referenced an earlier edit summary of yours in which (I thought) you said the tunic worn by Wonder Woman was called a "peplos". This was a genuine mistake on my part, but did you ask me about it before forming a conclusion on it? Nope. You just assumed it was a lie, without bothering to exclude the possibility of a genuine mistake on my part. For my part, I freely acknowledged my error on apologized for it. Did you acknowledge this? Of course not.

Did you acknowledge what the definition of plagiarism is, or explain why you disagree with those sources that say it isn't what you claim it is? No. You just make up your own definition of it, and then falsely accuse another editor of it, much as you did with the word "vandalism", after I restored mention of WW's tunic, without naming it, which I did precisely because you correctly argued that the prior words I used were incorrect. How is that "vandalism"?

If you want to argue that a paragraph is too big ---FINE! Great! Let's talk about it! Let's agree to disagree about it? But why use a word to describe that which doesn't mean that? Why revert any and all edits by me, including a completely innocuous one about the tunic, and falsely call it "vandalism", if you aren't attempting to violate WP:OWN?

Bottom line: I've complied with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. You haven't. Nightscream (talk) 19:07, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

This is very easy. Hughes made a mistake. As such, it can't be used as the basis for a factual description of what Wonder Woman is wearing.70.112.229.80 (talk) 19:12, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Also, your injudicious use of the "undo" button resulted in grammar errors, undoing the addition of a better version of the poster, and other problems throughout the article.70.112.229.80 (talk) 19:15, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

See here for above: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adam_Hughes&type=revision&diff=890815718&oldid=890815469 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.229.80 (talk) 19:33, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

According to our page on Plagiarism, Yale considers paraphrasing that stays too close to the original to be plagiarism. Perhaps the IP is an Eli? Ironically, that quote from Yale's rules isn't cited. Our article about plagiarism is plagiarized.

I ran the page against Earwig, and it found a 7.4% likelihood of plagiarism for the article indicated. There were some higher results, but they are properly attributed quotes or mirror sites. Argento Surfer (talk) 20:34, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Since Nightscream loves to link to Wiki policy, here's one for you: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Close_paraphrasing

Close paraphrasing may constitute plagiarism and/or copyright infringement.