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=="Domestic Policy" subsection, and maybe other subsections in the section "Reign"== |
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''"On 29 October [O.S. 17 October] 1888 the Imperial train derailed in an accident at Borki. At the moment of the crash, the imperial family was in the dining car. Its roof collapsed, and Alexander supposedly held its remains on his shoulders as the children fled outdoors. The onset of Alexander’s kidney failure was later attributed to the blunt trauma suffered in this incident."'' |
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These sentences have nothing to do with Domestic Policy. Nor do they have anything to do with the execution of the assassins, other than that both topics at least somewhat relate to Alexander's health. I suggest that they be moved elsewhere in the article, or the subsection titles should be reviewed, and possibly revised or removed. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2601:1C0:6D02:3C10:20F5:1DE2:2609:EFBF|2601:1C0:6D02:3C10:20F5:1DE2:2609:EFBF]] ([[User talk:2601:1C0:6D02:3C10:20F5:1DE2:2609:EFBF#top|talk]]) 01:21, 11 December 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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*Moved the train accident to the family life section. Is it better? [[User:Alex Bakharev|Alex Bakharev]] ([[User talk:Alex Bakharev|talk]]) 03:17, 11 December 2017 (UTC) |
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Yes, much better. Although, did a citation get lost along the way? [[Special:Contributions/2601:1C0:6D02:3C10:1D6C:5050:8DCE:7017|2601:1C0:6D02:3C10:1D6C:5050:8DCE:7017]] ([[User talk:2601:1C0:6D02:3C10:1D6C:5050:8DCE:7017|talk]]) 04:51, 15 December 2017 (UTC) |
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=="International Policy" "== |
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He was a cousin of Alexander Batemberg, the King of Bulgaria. Alexander Romanoff III hated Batemberg and caused great disasters to Bulgaria. During the unification of North and South Bulgaria, 1885, he ordered the Russian officers to stay home and NOT help the young Bulgarian army. He sent a telegram to the Turkish Sultan encouraging him reeestablish the status quo, i.e. to take back south Bulgaria. Sultan declined. Then he encouraged the Serbian king Milan to attack Bulgaria from the west, which was at this time defenseless. Bulgarian army was in the south-east border at this time. Romanoff organized political assassinations and attempted coup de tat, Major Panitsa. At the same time, Bulgaria was paying to the Russian empire "occupation debt" millions of golden coins. At the end, Bulgarian King Batemberg abdicated, because he did not want Bulgaria to suffer anymore. For all of this, I wish Alexander Romanoff III burn in hell for eternity! The most evil of all russian rulers. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/217.180.196.20|217.180.196.20]] ([[User talk:217.180.196.20#top|talk]]) 20:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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I did some work on this paragraph yesterday. It still sounded strange when I read it. What needed to be stressed - and wasn't - was that the People's Will DID assassinate Alexander II and did try to assassinate Alexander III. "Once again" sounded ridiculous and didn't make sense. I cleaned it up a bit and hopefully it's alright at this point. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/205.244.113.226|205.244.113.226]] ([[User talk:205.244.113.226|talk]]) 12:02, 28 May 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
I did some work on this paragraph yesterday. It still sounded strange when I read it. What needed to be stressed - and wasn't - was that the People's Will DID assassinate Alexander II and did try to assassinate Alexander III. "Once again" sounded ridiculous and didn't make sense. I cleaned it up a bit and hopefully it's alright at this point. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/205.244.113.226|205.244.113.226]] ([[User talk:205.244.113.226|talk]]) 12:02, 28 May 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Damnit == |
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Some motherfucker defaced the article. |
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Watch your foul mouth. |
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Fixed it. [[User:Kade|Kade]] 16:49, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC) |
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Hate when little kids pull that bullshit. List your reason why in the Discussion page!!!!!!!!! |
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== Vandalism == |
== Vandalism == |
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What's with the recent vandalism on this page, by more than one user? Did some other media source talk about Alexander III or Wikipedia recently? --[[User:70.143.43.245|70.143.43.245]] 15:21, 23 February 2007 (UTC) |
What's with the recent vandalism on this page, by more than one user? Did some other media source talk about Alexander III or Wikipedia recently? --[[User:70.143.43.245|70.143.43.245]] 15:21, 23 February 2007 (UTC) |
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Maybe because he was such a great guy. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/173.51.145.103|173.51.145.103]] ([[User talk:173.51.145.103|talk]]) 06:45, 16 April 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Shouldn't this be included in article? Alexander III is well known for his slavophilia and attempt to russificy non russian parts of empire. Ban of school education in local languages in Baltic provinces, ban of latin alphabet in Poland, wide spread construction of orthodoxy churches in catholic and Lutheran provinces etc. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Indipuk|Indipuk]] ([[User talk:Indipuk|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Indipuk|contribs]]) 20:45, 12 March 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
Shouldn't this be included in article? Alexander III is well known for his slavophilia and attempt to russificy non russian parts of empire. Ban of school education in local languages in Baltic provinces, ban of latin alphabet in Poland, wide spread construction of orthodoxy churches in catholic and Lutheran provinces etc. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Indipuk|Indipuk]] ([[User talk:Indipuk|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Indipuk|contribs]]) 20:45, 12 March 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:I edited a plagiarized portion of the article under domestic policy to include a brief bit about Russification. Could use more detail though and a better source. [[User:Ansleyb|Ansleyb]] ([[User talk:Ansleyb|talk]]) 18:54, 1 November 2022 (UTC) |
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== Not bridge == |
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The "Maley Palace" where Alexander III is just Maly (The Smaller) Palace in the [[Livadia Palace]] as opposed to the Bolshoy Palace (The Grand Palace). It used to be the palace for the heir when the palace was the property of Potozky family. I have changed the name accordingly [[User:Alex Bakharev|Alex Bakharev]] ([[User talk:Alex Bakharev|talk]]) 02:07, 11 May 2015 (UTC) |
The "Maley Palace" where Alexander III is just Maly (The Smaller) Palace in the [[Livadia Palace]] as opposed to the Bolshoy Palace (The Grand Palace). It used to be the palace for the heir when the palace was the property of Potozky family. I have changed the name accordingly [[User:Alex Bakharev|Alex Bakharev]] ([[User talk:Alex Bakharev|talk]]) 02:07, 11 May 2015 (UTC) |
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== Destroyed Statue? == |
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I've seen a couple photos in various places of people tearing down an additional statue of Alexander III during the Russian Revolution. The most common one just shows the head of the statue laying on the ground with some children looking at it, but I've also seen another one of people dismantling the statue, which shows it was seated. It's not the equestrian one mentioned, this one depicted him sitting on a throne or something like that. This seems to be a fairly famous picture, as I have seen it in many different places, so if someone could find some information about that and incorporate it that would be great. [[Special:Contributions/131.156.156.14|131.156.156.14]] ([[User talk:131.156.156.14|talk]]) 14:21, 3 December 2016 (UTC) |
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== Meaningless == |
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''In disposition Alexander bore little resemblance to... [his] great-uncle, Emperor Alexander I, who could have been given the title of "the first gentleman of Europe".'' |
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:Meaningless claim. It would need a citation anyway. [[User:Valetude|Valetude]] ([[User talk:Valetude|talk]]) 10:27, 17 May 2019 (UTC) |
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"Domestic Policy" subsection, and maybe other subsections in the section "Reign"
[edit]"On 29 October [O.S. 17 October] 1888 the Imperial train derailed in an accident at Borki. At the moment of the crash, the imperial family was in the dining car. Its roof collapsed, and Alexander supposedly held its remains on his shoulders as the children fled outdoors. The onset of Alexander’s kidney failure was later attributed to the blunt trauma suffered in this incident." These sentences have nothing to do with Domestic Policy. Nor do they have anything to do with the execution of the assassins, other than that both topics at least somewhat relate to Alexander's health. I suggest that they be moved elsewhere in the article, or the subsection titles should be reviewed, and possibly revised or removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C0:6D02:3C10:20F5:1DE2:2609:EFBF (talk) 01:21, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
- Moved the train accident to the family life section. Is it better? Alex Bakharev (talk) 03:17, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
Yes, much better. Although, did a citation get lost along the way? 2601:1C0:6D02:3C10:1D6C:5050:8DCE:7017 (talk) 04:51, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
"International Policy" "
[edit]He was a cousin of Alexander Batemberg, the King of Bulgaria. Alexander Romanoff III hated Batemberg and caused great disasters to Bulgaria. During the unification of North and South Bulgaria, 1885, he ordered the Russian officers to stay home and NOT help the young Bulgarian army. He sent a telegram to the Turkish Sultan encouraging him reeestablish the status quo, i.e. to take back south Bulgaria. Sultan declined. Then he encouraged the Serbian king Milan to attack Bulgaria from the west, which was at this time defenseless. Bulgarian army was in the south-east border at this time. Romanoff organized political assassinations and attempted coup de tat, Major Panitsa. At the same time, Bulgaria was paying to the Russian empire "occupation debt" millions of golden coins. At the end, Bulgarian King Batemberg abdicated, because he did not want Bulgaria to suffer anymore. For all of this, I wish Alexander Romanoff III burn in hell for eternity! The most evil of all russian rulers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.180.196.20 (talk) 20:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
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again ?
[edit]Article says : "In 1887, once again the Peoples Will planned the murder of Tsar Alexander III". When was the first time ? Jay 12:24, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
copied from wikipedia:reference desk —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jay (talk • contribs) 10:49, 12 August 2005
There's a line in Alexander III of Russia which says : "In 1887, once again the People's Will planned the murder of Tsar Alexander III". This line was added by an anon user. Wanted to know if it's known that they had planned attempts before; if so when was the first attempt ? Jay 21:50, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
- It doesn't look like there were any attempts before, but that they planned it can hardly be doubted. They killed his father a few years prior and he took great care of personal safety, so they probably couldn't get to him earlier. Ornil 01:57, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
- Then maybe what the anon meant by "once again" was the earlier assassination of Alexander II. I'll modify the article accordingly. Jay
- Finally done it, after 4 years! Jay (talk) 13:04, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
I did some work on this paragraph yesterday. It still sounded strange when I read it. What needed to be stressed - and wasn't - was that the People's Will DID assassinate Alexander II and did try to assassinate Alexander III. "Once again" sounded ridiculous and didn't make sense. I cleaned it up a bit and hopefully it's alright at this point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.244.113.226 (talk) 12:02, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
a little fixing
[edit]I thumbnailed the picture of Alexander, it makes the article look better, in my opinion. --Kross 21:54, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
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[edit]i need a 1 page report soon!!!!! what should i do
-(Just) do it yourself, and/or talk to your teacher/professor. Using Wikipedia to ask for help on a talk page is probably not the best use of your time.
Vandalism
[edit]What's with the recent vandalism on this page, by more than one user? Did some other media source talk about Alexander III or Wikipedia recently? --70.143.43.245 15:21, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Maybe because he was such a great guy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.51.145.103 (talk) 06:45, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
Genealogy
[edit]It's inappropriate to mislead people by suggesting that the ancestry as given is something other than a possibility. Therefore some indication of the fact that it is disputed must be included if it is included. All that remains is to decide what that indication will be. - Nunh-huh 02:52, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Anti-Reforms?
[edit]I believe there could have been much more detail involving Alexander III and his reforms. For example, there is no mention of increasing the power of the secret police in order to repress liberals and revolutionaries. There was a small mention of Russification and his aim to suppress the cultures of non-Russian peoples within the empire. Also, when talking about the persecution of the Jewish people, there is nothing about pogroms, or his restriction in their level of education and in the areas that they lived in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.119.134.70 (talk) 06:59, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Died with Bright's disease?
[edit]The article claims that he died of nefritis, but I read on a site, that he died of Bright's disease.Really Bright's disease is a kind of kidney disease, but he died of Bright's disease?Agre22 (talk) 22:54, 5 July 2008 (UTC)agre22
- I find this article cover very little about his death. Usually in biography articles, death is cover at the end (which isn't the case here). GoodDay (talk) 14:39, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
- According to the WP article, Bright's disease is the same as nefritis. LarryJeff (talk) 19:21, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Russification?
[edit]Shouldn't this be included in article? Alexander III is well known for his slavophilia and attempt to russificy non russian parts of empire. Ban of school education in local languages in Baltic provinces, ban of latin alphabet in Poland, wide spread construction of orthodoxy churches in catholic and Lutheran provinces etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Indipuk (talk • contribs) 20:45, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- I edited a plagiarized portion of the article under domestic policy to include a brief bit about Russification. Could use more detail though and a better source. Ansleyb (talk) 18:54, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
Not bridge
[edit]Whatever Alexander III played, it was not bridge. It might have been whist; it might have been Vint (Russian whist); it might have been bridge-whist. Macdonald-ross (talk) 12:42, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
inconsistency in death date
[edit]Introductory paragraph has:
"his death on 20 October [O.S. 8 October] 1894"
but later in the article I see this:
"He died at Livadia on the afternoon of 1 November [O.S. 20 October] 1894 ..."
Please fix the contradiction. However, in each of the excerpts I used, the correlation between old and new styles is correct (12 days apart since this is between 1800 and 1900).
- I fixed it again. Somebody keeps changing it to 20 October [O.S. 8 October], which is incorrect. GoodDay (talk) 23:08, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Maley Palace
[edit]The "Maley Palace" where Alexander III is just Maly (The Smaller) Palace in the Livadia Palace as opposed to the Bolshoy Palace (The Grand Palace). It used to be the palace for the heir when the palace was the property of Potozky family. I have changed the name accordingly Alex Bakharev (talk) 02:07, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Destroyed Statue?
[edit]I've seen a couple photos in various places of people tearing down an additional statue of Alexander III during the Russian Revolution. The most common one just shows the head of the statue laying on the ground with some children looking at it, but I've also seen another one of people dismantling the statue, which shows it was seated. It's not the equestrian one mentioned, this one depicted him sitting on a throne or something like that. This seems to be a fairly famous picture, as I have seen it in many different places, so if someone could find some information about that and incorporate it that would be great. 131.156.156.14 (talk) 14:21, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
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Meaningless
[edit]In disposition Alexander bore little resemblance to... [his] great-uncle, Emperor Alexander I, who could have been given the title of "the first gentleman of Europe".
- Meaningless claim. It would need a citation anyway. Valetude (talk) 10:27, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
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