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Many early histories of Elvis emphasize the role of Colonel Parker in promoting Elvis early on and "encouraging" (some would say manipulating) him to pursue commercial success. The article only mentions "The Colonel" (as he was called at the time iirc) in passing in the lede; there is a detailed discussion in the body much later on, but it is under the misleading heading '''Associates>Colonel Parker and the Aberbachs''', which sounds like just some obscure band Elvis might have performed with a few times, not his number one early manager. I would suggest that the Colonel, who played such an important role in Elvis' rise to fame, deserves at least a couple of sentences if not a full paragraph in the lede. However, I am not an Elvis historian, just someone who lived through the period, so, since this article has no doubt been through thousands of redaction sieves by editors much more knowledgeable than me, I will defer to others. --[[User:D A Patriarche|D Anthony Patriarche]] ([[User talk:D A Patriarche|talk]]) 21:48, 4 June 2023 (UTC) |
Many early histories of Elvis emphasize the role of Colonel Parker in promoting Elvis early on and "encouraging" (some would say manipulating) him to pursue commercial success. The article only mentions "The Colonel" (as he was called at the time iirc) in passing in the lede; there is a detailed discussion in the body much later on, but it is under the misleading heading '''Associates>Colonel Parker and the Aberbachs''', which sounds like just some obscure band Elvis might have performed with a few times, not his number one early manager. I would suggest that the Colonel, who played such an important role in Elvis' rise to fame, deserves at least a couple of sentences if not a full paragraph in the lede. However, I am not an Elvis historian, just someone who lived through the period, so, since this article has no doubt been through thousands of redaction sieves by editors much more knowledgeable than me, I will defer to others. --[[User:D A Patriarche|D Anthony Patriarche]] ([[User talk:D A Patriarche|talk]]) 21:48, 4 June 2023 (UTC) |
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== Misleading heading "Colonel Parker and the Aberbachs" == |
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The heading under Associates, '''Colonel Parker and the Aberbachs''', is misleading, as mentioned above. First, it de-emphasizes the Colonel's role, which was that of a dominating & very actively promoting manager, not a mere associate, such as a friend or song writer. Some biographers even go so far as suggesting Elvis' rise to popularity and fame was entirely due to the Colonel's influence on him and vigorous promotion. Second, it overemphasizes the Aberbachs, who are mentioned only twice in the subsection, rather briefly. Overall, it makes it sound as though "Colonel Parker and the Aberbachs" was just some band that Elvis performed with occasionally. The article should give due prominence to the Colonel's crucial role, separate from any mere associates, perhaps moving the Colonel's activities to a new heading such as '''Managers''' or '''Management and promotion'''. The heading should remove "the Aberbachs", unless the subsection is expanded to describe more of their ongoing influence. --[[User:D A Patriarche|D Anthony Patriarche]] ([[User talk:D A Patriarche|talk]]) 22:36, 4 June 2023 (UTC) |
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Questions over cause of death gives the balanced views of various experts. Please note that although Nichopoulos, Presley's main physician, was at the time "exonerated of criminal liability for the singer's death, ... His license was suspended for three months. It was permanently revoked in the 1990s after the Tennessee Medical Board brought new charges of over-prescription." Consensus among regular editors who judge it important to preserve a reliable, mainstream view in this encyclopedia article is that the discredited doctor's opinions, such as those published in his 2010 book, and including his attempt to emphasize constipation as the likely cause of death, should not be propagated by Wikipedia, and hence receive no coverage in this article. |
Semi-protected edit request on 25 December, 2020 Elvis never converted to Islam
"During the last years of his life he accepted the Islamic faith and died a Muslim." from the first paragraph.
This is not true and the result of a common joke that goes like this: "Elvis Presley considered converting to Islam before he died. He even settled on a Muslim name: Ahmal Shooq-Up." (https://www.reddit.com/r/puns/comments/4jrbzi/elvis_presley_considered_converting_to_islam/) This is a pun on "I'm all shook up". There is no valid source for this claim of his faith.
paul mccartney states elvis has sold more records than the beatles
In more ways than one these two greats came from a different place. Let the last word go to Paul McCartney himself. After he visited Graceland recently Paul was interviewed about his experience and he was quoted as saying' I used to think that it was us (the Beatles) who sold the most records, but I have seen the evidence for myself and there is no doubt it is Elvis'. 50.77.26.133 (talk) 15:10, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
- Personally, I think there should be a swear box for anyone who reopens the debate that The Beatles/Elvis Presley/Michael Jackson sold the most records. This has been discussed many times on Wikipedia, and since the record company sources contain an element of WP:PRIMARY, the figures should always be taken with a pinch of salt.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:28, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
Request for a photo from later years
The article contains a lot of pictures, but none of them show Presley in his later years (after 1972). We are told that he gained a lot of weight and his health dramatically deteriorated after 1973 and especially by early 1977, but we are not shown his appearance. The commons category "Category:Elvis Presley by year" ends in 1973. I'm sure there must be a lot of pictures of him from 1975–1977 somewhere – he was a very famous, frequently photographed person and he continued to appear in public. It would be nice to have such a picture in the article. — BarrelProof (talk) 21:45, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
The Colonel's influence
Many early histories of Elvis emphasize the role of Colonel Parker in promoting Elvis early on and "encouraging" (some would say manipulating) him to pursue commercial success. The article only mentions "The Colonel" (as he was called at the time iirc) in passing in the lede; there is a detailed discussion in the body much later on, but it is under the misleading heading Associates>Colonel Parker and the Aberbachs, which sounds like just some obscure band Elvis might have performed with a few times, not his number one early manager. I would suggest that the Colonel, who played such an important role in Elvis' rise to fame, deserves at least a couple of sentences if not a full paragraph in the lede. However, I am not an Elvis historian, just someone who lived through the period, so, since this article has no doubt been through thousands of redaction sieves by editors much more knowledgeable than me, I will defer to others. --D Anthony Patriarche (talk) 21:48, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
Misleading heading "Colonel Parker and the Aberbachs"
The heading under Associates, Colonel Parker and the Aberbachs, is misleading, as mentioned above. First, it de-emphasizes the Colonel's role, which was that of a dominating & very actively promoting manager, not a mere associate, such as a friend or song writer. Some biographers even go so far as suggesting Elvis' rise to popularity and fame was entirely due to the Colonel's influence on him and vigorous promotion. Second, it overemphasizes the Aberbachs, who are mentioned only twice in the subsection, rather briefly. Overall, it makes it sound as though "Colonel Parker and the Aberbachs" was just some band that Elvis performed with occasionally. The article should give due prominence to the Colonel's crucial role, separate from any mere associates, perhaps moving the Colonel's activities to a new heading such as Managers or Management and promotion. The heading should remove "the Aberbachs", unless the subsection is expanded to describe more of their ongoing influence. --D Anthony Patriarche (talk) 22:36, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
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