Talk:Dean (South Korean singer)

Requested move 4 May 2016

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The result of the move request was: page moved WP:SNOW In ictu oculi (talk) 08:38, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

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Dean (musician) → Dean (South Korean singer) – Current article title is ambiguous. Dean (singer) redirects to Dean due to Belgian singer Dean Delannoit performing under said mononym. Dean (musician) is no better, as Delannoit is also a musician. This article was originally titled DEAN (South Korean singer), before it was moved to DEAN. In both instances, the title of the article violated WP:ALLCAPS. I moved the article to the aptly titled Dean (South Korean singer), only for the page to be moved to its current ambiguous name. Whether Dean (South Korean singer) or Dean (South Korean musician) is used is irrelevant and besides the point, as the issue stands with the omission of nationality. — ξ^xplicit 02:29, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

• Support well spotted, per WP:DISAMBIGUATION. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:22, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
• (Beaten to a bloody pulp by reasons to call this kid Dean a South Korean and change my vote from Do Not Support to acquiesce). The name Dean is ambiguous, but attaching (musician) is not unusual. On this [1]-[South Korean singer-songwriters] there are four listed with (musician) qualifying their common names. None in this category are distinguished by attaching (South Korean) to their names. If it is determined that (musician) is not good for Dean, perhaps Dean (singer-songwriter) might be the next best. However, limiting an artist who performs in English, in America (as well as in his native South Korea), to the title of Dean (South Korean singer), is equivalent of naming Yuna (singer), (who also performs in America in English) as Yuna (Malaysian singer) because she has a single, rather common stage name. I came to this conclusion after originally naming the page as such, as User:Explicit points out, when I realized the limits. In addition I had wrongly used all capital letters for DEAN. I recommend no move be made, and definitely no move to Dean (South Korean (singer).--Bonnielou2013 (talk) 06:28, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

  @Bonnielou2013: Yuna (singer) does not use Yuna (Malaysian singer) because there are no other notable people who perform under that exact same mononym. If there was, then the article would include 'Malaysian'. None of the articles in Category:South Korean singer-songwriters need 'South Korean' attached because there are no other singers or musicians who use those names. Articles only use them when they are needed (Big Bang (South Korean band), Big Bang (British band), Bigbang (Norwegian band); Beast (South Korean band), Beast (Canadian band), Beast (South African band)), not when they are the only ones (Uniq (band), there are no other bands named Uniq; Infinite (band), there are no other bands named Infinite). Dean is not the only 'Dean', so 'South Korean' needs to be added. The fact that Dean (singer) originally redirect to Dean Delannoit is indicative of this. This is similar to Junior (South Korean singer), where Junior (singer) redirects to the the disambiguation page Junior. As I explained before, what language he sings in or where he promotes does not affect the term used to disambiguate. We disambiguate by nationality, and he is a citizen of South Korea. He is South Korean. As the aforementioned Big Bang and Beast, they also record and promote in Japanese; is the use of 'South Korean' in these instances also limiting? What about Kai (South Korean singer), who sings in Chinese as well? Let me provide an example. Notice the title of this article: Zeus (Japanese wrestler). Zeus is ethnically Korean, but he is a citizen of Japan. Therefore, we disambiguate using Japanese. The use if 'Japanese' is not utilized for limitations, it describes a person'a nationality regardless of their ethnic origin. — ξ^xplicit 07:17, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Seo Yuna also goes by just Yuna, but her notability is a little questionable.

• Support per nom. Dean (singer), Dean (musician) and Dean (singer-songwriter) are all too ambiguous. Dean (South Korean singer) is the logical choice. Random86 (talk) 07:44, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

(Comment) Thanks for long explanation Explicit. I guess if Random86 also disagrees about the (Singer-songwriter), too, then what can I say. I'm hoping he changes his name to something more substantial than Dean! I really do just prefer the drudge work than all this decision making on WP. But, I still will stick to my personal policy of notifying other editors of my actions and won't change that. Anyway - thanks for all the trouble Deansters!--Bonnielou2013 (talk) 08:03, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

• Okay, following the change of vote above, and having verified that the Belgian's album is just "Dean" then moving to non-admin close. Seems unlikely anyone will argue for partial disambiguation. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:38, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

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Evidence for "Styled DEAN and DΞΔN" in lead?

DΞΔN is unsourced in English WP:RS, and all there is for DEAN is a blog. Yes we'll see sources in Korean "딘(DEAN), 새 싱글 지원사격… " rather than "딘(Dean), 새 싱글 지원사격… " because Korean like Japanese and Chinese uses CAPITALS when citing English in running text. But from footnotes I see no evidence that in English language WP:RS for phrases such as "South Korean singer DΞΔN released a solo album". This appears to be just playful artwork. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:45, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

This is all I could find for DΞΔN: [2](Fuse TV). Korea Times also mentions it [3]. Billboard used DEAN once [4], but uses Dean most of the time (e.g. [5]). Random86 (talk) 07:38, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Random86, you are very thoughtful to look into this. I will see what else I can find.--Bonnielou2013 (talk) 08:07, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Based on that then DΞΔN should perhaps go further down the article, Korea Times - Interview: K-pop may have found its next R&B giant in Dean just mentions it in passing. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:42, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

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Requested move 18 August 2021

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) ASUKITE 14:06, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

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Dean (South Korean singer) → Dean (singer) – The Korean singer's page does not need this particular disambiguation anymore as Dean (singer) isn't being utilized for the Belgian singer Dean Delannoit. Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 01:58, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 00:10, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

• @Btspurplegalaxy and BarrelProof: queried move request Anthony Appleyard (talk) 00:12, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
• Wikipedia is not a first-come, first-served system. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 02:08, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
• comment Less interested in page move than intriguing comments above. what? Especially Anthony Appleyard adding a signed comment by BarrelProof, an inside joke? Pertinent to this Talk page? I'm lost.--Bonnielou2013 (talk) 02:37, 18 August 2021 (UTC) OK, I see this was a transferred request with attached comment by BarrelProof [6] I guess all that is missing is what the comment from BarrelProof means? Still not following. If I need to know.--Bonnielou2013 (talk) 03:58, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per the lead of Dean Delannoit he is also a mononym. Crouch, Swale (talk) 07:33, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. Dean (singer) is still ambiguous even if it's not the chosen title for any other article. No case for the Korean being the primary topic. Andrewa (talk) 11:06, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose We discussed this at length in 2016 and agreed to the present name. See above.--Bonnielou2013 (talk) 22:03, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

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