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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. There are different proposals raised in in the discussion:
On (TV series) vs (1994 TV series), as raised by various participants, pageviews for this series is significantly higher than the other numerous series, and in examining the charts, have been consistently so despite the introduction of newer serieses of the same name. Therefore WP:PDAB would be applicable, and the article would have been moved to (TV series).
However in examining the various arguments, I find that the those opposing a move of any kind holds stronger: statistics (pageviews between this series and other series similarly named, and the concept friendship (consolidated); wikinav; google search results ranking) clearly demonstrated that this series is the primary topic of 'Friends'. As mentioned by various participants, there are also hatnotes pointing to 'Friendship' and the dab page and the arrangement is sufficient. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 06:04, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose For the record, this was discussed at Talk:Friends (disambiguation) in 2019, so basically I'll repeat myself. This page gets millions of views per year and so I think it is what readers want for this term and moving it would not improve the encyclopedia. I didn't support the move in the last discussion, but the DAB page as primary, I can see why someone would think that. The WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT proposal here is an AWFUL idea, this page is extremely highly viewed, way more than Friendship, no evidence anyone would want that! --Quiz shows17:05, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support, but move to Friends (1994 TV series) - due to other series with that name (WP:INCDAB), and per WP:ASTONISH and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC (everyday usage and long-term significance). A TV show never deserves primary status over an everyday term from which it inherits its meaning - view counts be damned. Just like any corporate creation, we should follow the apple/Apple Inc. precedent. I am fine with waiting to repoint the leftover redirect for 30 days after the TV show article has been moved, to allow external search engines to catch up. After this move, this page will still get is "millions of views" because that's how external search engines work. -- Netoholic@17:31, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This discussion has been had before. I don't think anything major has changed in four years, and the page views for this being the primary topic is convincing enough for me. Ss11218:39, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. A wise man said at the previous RM: "Nothing astonishing here as far as I can see. Friends was viewed five million times last year; its daily average is almost as much as the total amount of views Friends (disambiguation) gets in twelve months. A roadblock isn't warranted here." I don't see any reason to have changed my mind. Nohomersryan (talk) 18:59, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Friends should direct to friendship or Quakers. The TV show may be currently popular but has neither the "long-term significance" nor "educational value" to be deemed the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC per PT2. Walrasiad (talk) 19:39, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've already said I dislike the programme, but to say [t]he TV show may be currently popular but has neither the "long-term significance" nor "educational value" is not true - it ended in 2004. And yet you admit that it's currently popular - which is not bad for a show that ended 19 years ago. Chaheel Riens (talk) 13:52, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support renaming, use "Friends (1994 TV series)"; clearly the common noun is the common meaning. And as this TV show is so old, many zoomers don't even know it exists; though many boomers also don't know it exists, since it was mostly relevant to that generation that grew up with it, instead of being an intergenerational TV show -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 22:42, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Many zoomers don't even know it exists I was born in 2000 and a significant amount of my peers are fans of or have seen the show. After all, it still airs on TV and it's available on streaming platforms. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK)03:31, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I would love to see the article (and everything relating to the series) deleted, but it's not going to happen. The TV series is clearly the common/primary topic. Just google "friends" and - certainly for my results - I have to wait until page 3 before I get anything that isn't related to the show. It's insidious, but that's how it is. Chaheel Riens (talk) 08:32, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The term under discussion is "Friends", not "Friendship", and there's a subtle but important distinction. In this context, the answer is - sadly - the TV show. Incidentally, be careful replying with essentially the same response to multiple people - it could be construed as WP:BLUDGEON. Not there yet, but just be aware of it. Chaheel Riens (talk) 12:13, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Friendship as a concept, which has been around since the dawn of human civilization. Or a 30 year old TV show from America? What's more significant in the long term, do you think? 90.255.15.152 (talk) 11:49, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In principle, I'd rather we use "(TV series)" as a disambiguator over "(1994 TV series)" as I think this passes WP:PDAB. I otherwise would support in principle, but worry that this may end up benefiting very few people in practice. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK)03:31, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If I was to go out and say friends to 100 people I bet at least 90 of them will say something about the show this is one of the most well know shows ever Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 13:43, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for all of the reasons already outlined – it gets very tedious how many voters ignore that hatnotes are a perfectly acceptable solution in a case like this. And especiallyoppose Friends (1994 TV series) which is a patently absurd suggestion – if this is not the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC (and, FTR, I agree that it is), it is absolutely the "primary subtopic" by any reasonable, rational definition. So oppose, though Friends (TV series) is the correct the fallback position. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:26, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'll post a serious comment in reply to this – it's really unfortunate that there are two (almost three) South Korean series with this title as well: it would be much simpler if there were two American series, and one Polish and one South Korean series... But page views leave no doubt here: [1] --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:56, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per the second criterion of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, which explicitly claims that we should consider long-term educational significance. NGL, I'm fairly confident that friendship is more significant overall than a TV show. RedSlash21:43, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not really a case of WP:SMALLDETAILS as the concept is still commonly called "Friend(s)" which is why Friend is a primary redirect. This isn't like say Crickets where the plural has a significantly different distinct meaning. The DAB page has some 97 uses plus 4 in the "See also" and has 3 common meanings, 1994 TV series, concept and Quakers. Putting the top 3 like they already are similar to Mercury and Lincoln would surely be more helpful than having a primary topic. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:55, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Do not cite the WP:SMALLDETAILS to me, @IJBall:. I was there when it was written. JK, no, but seriously and with respect... as I see it, this isn't a "small details" because "friends" is a perfectly valid way to refer to the topic of "friendship". This is more akin to having eggs redirect to eggs as food rather than to egg; there are a lot of different ways to refer to the concept of friendship. RedSlash18:45, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Even if I were to concede that most people typing in "Friends" aren't looking for the U.S. TV series (and, FTR, I'm not conceding that), it's still there in the hatnote. I think too many people get hung up on the idea that "everyone needs to get everywhere they're intending to in 'one click'" on Wikipedia – I personally think that "two-click solutions" (e.g. via hatnotes) are perfectly acceptable, and I suspect most of the readership feels the same way. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:37, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
1. It was said to stop bludgeoning the discussion. 2. They are referring to what is apparently less interesting to site visitors, not themselves. I think most people know that discussions shouldn't be about what is interesting to them. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:54, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for the various reasons stated above. The hatnote already tells readers if they're looking for the idea of "friendship" itself or other related terms. The show is still very popular worldwide and sees much more page views than the concept of friendship. Outside of Wikipedia, even Googling "Friends" will bring up many results related to the tv series (if that's worth noting). Clear Looking Glass (talk) 01:14, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose; yes, pageviews aren't everything, but when the TV series gets almost 8x as many views as the concept of Friendship since July 2015, I find it hard to make a case for a primary redirect to Friendship. The argument for a DAB page is a bit stronger with the existence of Quakers, but it's still not very close. I just don't think a different setup from what we currently have would actually aid our readers, especially with the hatnotes in place. Wikinav's graphs are only half working right now, but over the past two months, Friendship isn't even in the top 10 most outgoing pageviews from Friends. (The 1994 TV series disambiguation is even worse – this is literally the exact situation WP:PDAB is meant for?) Skarmory(talk •contribs)03:47, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Implied? Should be reliably sourced not implied
"It is heavily implied in the spin-off series, Joey, that Rachel married Ross after the series finale." Please remove this sentence from the article. The information in this encyclopedia should be reliably sourced WP:RS not "implied", not even "heavily implied". -- 109.79.65.30 (talk) 15:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@109.79.65.30 don't be daft. Nuances, emotions and implications cannot be "reliably sourced'
This is supposed to be an encyclopedia, reliable sourcing still applies to fiction. Married or not married is factual information and facts must be reliably sourced. A general opinion that the characters appeared to be in love or still a couple would be an opinion, and even then that should be attributed to the reviewer, not the own interpretation of a wikipedia editor that something was "heavily implied". Facts need to be backed by sources. -- 109.79.69.216 (talk) 15:16, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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This show starts off when Ross, Pheobe, Monica, Joey, and Chandler meet Rachel who was a high school friend of Monica's. Rachel ran away from her wedding and seeks shelter in Monica's apartment. The story continues, showing us what happens in their lives. Although this show is good, it is not the best. It has a slow plot and and is not very enjoyable to watch and is overrated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.205.249.128 (talk) 11:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]