Talk:HIM (Finnish band)

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Tours

Can someone removed the tours section because it is out of date and has dates of upcoming shows from 2007, it is now 2008, feel free to make a new section for 2008 tours and gigs. Will sign when I can log in.

I took out all of the out of date info and put the rest in the past tense. Cheers for bringing it up as it probably would have been left like that 'til the summer. ;) AngelOfSadness talk 19:09, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Cheers, You may also want to add the fact they did quite a big tour with Black Sabbath too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.71.190.137 (talk) 01:16, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Protection

I've put this article under semi-protection due to vandalism in the genre option. It seems that some guy, keeps on removing the genre paragraph and replaces the genre without even talking here first... Iaberis 18:59, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Woot that means that this article actually kinda matters and people give a shit :D. A good step towards the HIM wiki editors goal....HIM_(band) FA status! :p --Diaboli 00:04, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Are you sure it's been semi-protected as an IP user has just edited it? AngelOfSadness talk 21:04, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, the DumBot unremoved it... I'll ask for a permanent semi-protection... Iaberis 01:55, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

The bot removed it because the page wasn't protected by an admin. Simply adding a protection tag doesn't protect the page itself from edits by IP addresses. One IP vandalising a day isn't something we can't handle without page protection. Now if it got to the point where there was vandalism edits every five minutes then would be the time to request page protection. AngelOfSadness talk 13:07, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Other

Ok, Maybe I'm just bringing up old points here, but I couldn't find anything about them in the archives and I've got questions I need answered. First, The statement that they aren't a satanic band. I was willing to accept this at first, but the constant 666 theme is really iffy to me. Also, the fact that their name was His Infernal Majesty also brings up a lot of questions. Can anyone explain their name and theme? If they really aren't satanic or straight goth, give me some proof. Also, This part of the article just seems ridiculous: "Their first bandname was His Infernal Majesty (chosen spontaneously, as a complete joke). But as their popularity rose, they needed to change their name because:

   * Finnish people were having difficulties pronouncing the name
   * The band name was never actually serious
   * The band started getting unwanted occult associations and people started to think of the band as satanic when it is not."

Not only does this seem completely POV, but is there any proof that their first name was a joke? I can understand the occult associations part, if they're not satanic, but Finnish people were having trouble pronouncing it? That just seems stupid. Any answers for me? 70.171.209.15 03:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

    Just listen to their music and you will understand that their not satanic.The Illusional Ministry 17:42, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I said I could understand that they weren't satanic, but whats with all the 666 stuff? And the name thing? And why is one of their main logos a "heartagram", like a pentagram?70.171.209.15 17:47, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok to answer a few questions, First of all Ville has said in several interviews that the name is not satanic blah blah etc. All that info has been taken from interviews. So since it has been taken from interviews it is not POV. I don't know where you got that first quote about "Chosen spontaneously" since Ville has stated that the origin was from the same book that Whoever guy in Sabbath got the name "Black Sabbath" and since HIM was originally a Sabbath cover band they got a name from the same book, and ENGLISH book which they at first didn't understand the connotations of the name. All that matters to me (and should be for others) is that Ville has said the band is not satanic thus they aren't and like Illusional Ministry mentioned above me, you can listen to the music and tell it is not Satanic, I mean god this ain't black metal. Also about the whole "Heartagram looks like a Pentagram." fucking shit I thought that was in the article? About how its a heart and a pentagram combined together to be kinda like a yin and yang about love and death etc. Yet again interviews with ville. SO LONG STORY SHORT THE ARTICLE IS FINE. --NekoD 08:33, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

i have to pull out of there gothic rock its a shame to be called gothic Rock they have nothing to do with it... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.210.140.246 (talk) 15:19, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Do you even know what Gothic Rock is? Have a listen on The 69 Eyes and The Sisters of Mercy and come back to discuss the gothic rock elements in HIM... Iaberis 18:26, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Alternative Rock???

To the ignorant people who put this genre: Do you even know what Alternative Rock is??? How can you label HIM as Alternative Rock??? The latest album might have some elements of it, but HIM is NOT an Alternative Rock band... They have Gothic Rock elements, Metal elements, Glam Rock elements and much more... Iaberis 18:32, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Don't make personal attacks, that doesn't make your argument stronger. It was long established before that the genre is some kind of alternative rock. 72.154.87.112 19:00, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Does it really matter, i mean we all know it's Love Metal (genre) and can't we just leave it at that? - Beautiful so ur (talk) 17:24, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

The fact that it has metal in it makes it not gothic rock, lol

Love metal isn't an established genre. It's Alternative Rock with Metal elements, nothing more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.122.10.165 (talk) 17:26, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

87.122.10.165 here is correct saying Love Metal is not an encylopedic/notable/recoginised genre therefore we can't use it in the infobox unfortunately. AngelOfSadness talk 17:45, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Him & Her

Him & Her redirects to here, but the article has no mention of it anywhere that they might have been previously named Him & Her. Also, on the MTV2 Headbangers Ball, Vol. 2, the song Your Sweet Six Six Six is published under the name Him & Her. Anyone know any information on this? § Eloc § 02:09, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Please see HIM_(band)#Name_confusion, which touches on the subject briefly. — Κaiba 05:16, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

1991 / 1992 / 1995 / 666 ?

Noticed someone changing "formed in" date to 1992 from 1991, so I took a look. Err, the reference sites say 1995. Published discography says 1995. Only reference to an earlier date is about "an undistributed demo tape whose only copy is ..." - sheesh! Why does it say anything other than 1995? Which references says that? Shenme (talk) 13:25, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

But in a few interviews, over the years, Ville said that he, Mige and Linde formed a band when they were fourteen/fifteen (around 1991/1992)("Witches and Other Night Fears" demo tape was made in 1992), then the guys minus Ville (due to his asthma) worked in army forces of some sort for a few years(correct me there if I'm wrong), then the guys reformed when they were around eighteen (around 1995) as HIM, made a second demo called "This Is Only the Beginning", which was released in 1995(The first proper release by the band so I'm guessing that explains with what the published discography says) and released first EP 1996 etc. I'm not sure if they were called HIM back in 1991/1992 when the first started out or they might have gone by another name and then changed it or if they should be treated as two different bands. But I'm guessing that's where all of the confusion lies regarding the band's beginnings. Now it's just trying to make any sense of all of this, separate fact from fiction and trying to find reliable sources to back it all up. :) AngelOfSadness talk 13:53, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Considering it is well known that the band made a demo in 1992 (Witches and Other Night Fears), saying it is 1995 when they formed is incorrect, no matter what references refer to 1995 (as a matter of fact, those references that also say 1995 also recognize the 1992 recording anyways, so those refs saying 1995 need to get their fact straight :P). A Google search for HIM in 1991 will provide hits outside of Wikipedia and its mirrors. As for 1992, I'm not so sure. I never heard the band ever being formed that year, but that is the year its first recording is noted. Most references either say 1991 or 1995, with 1995 being the completely without knowledge of Witches and Other Night Fears. — Κaiba 16:35, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Sure I even found a reference stating they were founded in 1996. But I did, however, find an english excerpt from Synnin Viemää (I'm fairly sure it was an offcial finnish biography on Ville/the band published a few years back), were it says the band were formed in 1991(You have to scroll down halfway to the paragraph below the header "HIM, HIS INFERNAL MAJESTY". Well at least that's something for now :) AngelOfSadness talk 16:56, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Move both HIM and HiM band articles

Currently there is only a subtle capitalization to disambiguate HiM (band) from HIM (band). The idea in this proposal it to make it more explicit by moving:

• HiM (band) → HiM (American band)
• HIM (band) → HIM (Finnish band)

Thoughts/discussions? +mt 14:56, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I think that would be fair to do as it not only would meet what's said in WP:Naming conventions but it would also be easier to distingush the two bands from each other which can be hard for anyone who doesn't know much about either band. AngelOfSadness talk 18:26, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

moved Straight Edge PXK 23:39, 12 April 2008 (UTC)