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What about moving this article from Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev to Mikhail Gorbachev? Most articles link to the second title, few to the first one. -- Juan M. Gonzalez 22:39 Sep 9, 2002 (UTC)

Moved. --mav

Thanks, mav. I had a nagging suspicion that just moving the text wasn't enough, but I couldn't remember why (it's the history, of course). --Ed Poor

Ivashko can not be considered as Gorbachev's successor as the leader of the Soviet Union. Andres 01:00, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I don't see how you can put Yeltsin as Gorbachev's successor. Yeltsin become president of the Russian republic in 1990 before Yeltsin resigned. The Soviet Union encompassed more than Russia. This was not a simple name change. A larger entity dissolved and a lower entity became sovereign. --Jia ng 19:48, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)

First of all, your change is not just fixing a typo. If there are disagreements in basics, they must be settled in the talk page.

Now, you are saying "the SU dissolved". If it were so easy. There are international treaties, obligations, debts. In many aspects Russian Federation claimed to overtake. There is a historical continuity Imperial Russia -- Soviet Union -- Russian Federation. If you don't like the chain of rulers as it is displayed now, let's discuss something different, to display this chain of succession, rather than simply break it. Mikkalai 21:01, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I never said that my change was fixing a typo. Russia declared its independence in June 12, 1990 and the USSR was not dissolved until a year later. There is no continuity. Are you claiming that Gorbachev ceased to be legitimate in June 1990? The navigation bar states "List of leaders of the Soviet Union". That's all we need to include. It's not a "List of leaders of Russia". The key word in your statement above is "many", not "all". It was not a direct succession and the two are not synonomous. To claim that is to be misleading. --Jia ng 21:30, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)

The key word is "don't be too formal" in my comments to edits. You are breaking the actual chain of history of the land under a formal pretext without giving any replacement. Mikkalai 22:07, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)

With regard to Gorbachev and Yeltsin - we link from Kerensky to Lenin at one end so we should link from Gorbachev to Yeltsin at the other. PMA 12:33, Mar 3, 2004 (UTC)

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 I never said that my change was fixing a typo. Russia declared its independence in June 12, 1990 and the USSR was not dissolved until a year later. There is no continuity. Are you claiming that Gorbachev ceased to be legitimate in June 1990? The navigation bar states "List of leaders of the Soviet Union". That's all we need to include. It's not a "List of leaders of Russia". The key word in your statement above is "many", not "all". It was not a direct succession and the two are not synonomous. To claim that is to be misleading. --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']] 21:30, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
+:: The key word is "don't be too formal" in my comments to edits. You are breaking the actual chain of history of the land under a formal pretext without giving any replacement. [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 22:07, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 With regard to Gorbachev and Yeltsin - we link from Kerensky to Lenin at one end so we should link from Gorbachev to Yeltsin at the other. [[User:PMelvilleAustin|PMA]] 12:33, Mar 3, 2004 (UTC)