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Patel Hotel Motel Cartel

seriously? you really want to add that? no one even uses that. thats all FOB stuff.

VfD Debate

This article was kept after this VfD debate. Sjakkalle 14:26, 24 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

This article is full of interesting stuff, but it doesn't cite sources. There's only one source mentioned, next to "Bharat ke Chaudhary," but the link is dead and there seems to be some sort of broken citation tag that I lack the sophistication to fix (other than removing it, which would have felt a little bit hypocritical). I added the "This article does not list its references or sources" banner at the top. If some clever editor could provide some sources for this material, the rest of us would be grateful. —CKA3KA (Skazka) 21:47, 5 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

VP patel, "Bharat ke 5Lp patel; C"

On 01:38, 25 August 2006, anon IP 68.154.33.6 added a reference to the book Bharat ke Chaudhary by VP Desai. I can't find any evidence of its existence outside of Wikipedia. Help anyone? --Adamrush 03:19, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rate of Patels?

In the 'Patels in Britain' section, it says "rate of Patels." Although I am not a geographer, I think it is a bit ironic to use the word rate. Bhaveer 19:49, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of Patels

Should the List of Patels be its own page? A search of wikipedia shows that the list on this page isn't nearly exhaustive. Akubhai 20:13, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnicity

I tried to clean it up a little but most of it doesn't cite sources and doesn't make sense. It should probably be erased and started over. Akubhai 17:12, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Patil?

Maybe we should merge with Patil - Patel is just a variant of Patil. — Stevey7788 (talk) 18:13, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No objection here. --Adamrush 02:20, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming they are just variants of each other, no objection here either Akubhai 15:46, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

They are not variants of each other. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.66.4.10 (talk) 11:23, 3 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No Patils from Mahratha have lost their pure genes for the most part and have mixed bred with other groups. I don't claim any relation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.234.149.102 (talk) 22:09, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There is no relation between Patel and Patil. Both has different origin and history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.148.46.180 (talk) 02:40, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fixing the "citiation needed sections"

How do we go about fixing this article? Can I just remove the sentences that are tagged "citation neeeded" and start over again? rahul 23:25, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Patel does not equal to Patidar!

I was surprised when clicking on the link Patidar brought me to page dedicated to Patel. Patel is not a caste as Kanbis or Patidars are trying to claim be. The use of lastname Patel cut across castes, religions and regions. I think the claim by Kanbi caste (both the Leuva and Kadwa) of Gujarat on name Patel is just one of the process within Hindu caste system to paint themselves holier than thou (Sanskritization process as its called in India) by adapting to high sounding name for their caste. However, in rural South Gujarat which account for 40% Koli population the last name is used by, beside Kolis, Dhodia, ST and Muslims. Even large number of Kanbis or Patidars do not use Patel as their last name. In other parts of Gujarat the last name Patel is used by members of other castes.

Hence, this page is totally misleading in terms of defining surname Patel as it seems the page has been created solely by members of Kanbi caste to paint themselves as Patels. Dcpatel (talk) 21:43, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have also learned that the first wave of farmers invited by the kings of North Gujarat were called Kanabis. These Kanabees (KANA=GRAIN and BEE=SEED)were immigrants from the farm lands of the Punjab lured to Gujarat with the promise of the free land. The king had land, the kanabis had skill. The kanabis told the kings the stories of beautiful fair complexioned ladies of the Punjab. The kings brought some of these women as their mistresses. The children of these mistresses were flesh and blood of the kings. They were given five villages or six villages of land to cultivate with the full ownership. These descendants have more of greek features in them as compared to the kanabis. They are taller, lighter in skin complexion, and display aura of landlords. I had read this in 1987 in a scholarly journal published by Gujarat University branch in Ahmedabad. I wish I had written down the source. And now I cannot reference it without the publication details. On my next visit to India, I will try to find it. The strange aftermath is that those descendants beget by the mistresses look down on the kanabis as inferior and of lower status.

Ok I want to say somethings about moving upward in Sanskrit,

First it's done by cast which are from lower strata of society i.e. in current India OBC, SC, ST. Kanbis are upper cast group( Uzariat) as known in Gujarat. Anjana Chowdharis and Kolis are OBC( other backward class), Dholias are ST( Schedule Tribe) so only Leua and Kadava are consider as upper caste in Gujarat. About Anjana Chowdharis are doing it to move upward and prove self as Kshatriya in first para we can see that. No need to jump your guns but keep article as Contemporary as possible and remove remarks of Shudras and such( we don't call OBC groups Shudras though they enjoy reservation policy benefit). OBC are backward cast and they were in pastoral business in past( not now like Yadavas, Ahirs, Choudharis). Agriculture was never shudra work, only in south India it was said so cause they have only two casts Brahmanas and Shudras( their king was also called Shudra sometime because of late Brahmanization). Uttame Kheti, Madhyme Vepar, Kanisthe Chakari so Agricuture was never lower caste job. Kadava and Leua Patidar still enjoy Upper Caste status in Gujarat change it accordingly or just make it article for Patel surname only including Muslims.

Sources are as follows( You can read them if you like they are not about Patel but Ancient and Medieval Indian History) Wonder that was India, A L Basam. RUPA CO. Early India, Romila Thapar. PENGUIN. An Advanced History of India, R C Majumadar, Raychudhari, Datta. MACMILLAN. The Mughal Empire, J F Richards, Cambridge. Medieval India, Satish Chandra, HAR ANAND. A Histroty of South India, K A Nilakanta Sastri, OXFORD. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.99.160.167 (talk) 19:52, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnicity section

This section needs fixing. It's entirely unclear where the quote begins and where it ends. It would be good if someone with knowledge of the topic could address that. Akerbeltz (talk) 23:17, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Intro rewrite

I've rewritten the introduction. I hope that it's now easier to read. Maikel (talk) 11:38, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Patels?

Just reading the first paragraph (let alone the whole article), it's quite apparent is not even 50% correct. (Hindu) Patels are not one group, it contains many castes and if you go to a city like Ahmedabad, you will see they don't even mix. In fact, many of the lower caste Patels don't even mixed with the higher caste Patels. The Patel dispora again is not united in either North America or the UK.

And it should be pointed out that not all Patels are descended from one group of people. Like most groups in India (and South Asia), they are descended from various groups of people.

I won't put this into the article, since the 'self-appointed' editors will remove it, but why were the sections removed, it now looks like someone has just copied and pasted in their essay they once wrote for a school project. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.131.110.103 (talk) 09:45, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've tried to change some of this, noting that Patel is just an overall name. Also noting that Gujarat Patels are Shudra; still looking for a good footnote about Jat Patels. I'm seeing a lot of references to "jat-patels" (lowercase), as in "managers of a jat". Anyone have any good refs on the widespreadness of the term Patel regardless of caste? MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:38, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious change

This change was really dubious. Don't know what to do about it. --Ettrig (talk) 08:44, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I wish you had reverted it. Drmies (talk) 15:08, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WHATS THE RELATION AMONG GUJRATI PATELS AND KURMIS ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.253.181.150 (talk) 19:49, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Patels in England, 14th century

While the surname PATEL does not appear in Bardsley's "A dictionary of English and Welsh surnames"(London, 1901), I encountered a whole batch of people of this surname in court rolls of the manors of Walsham le Willows in Suffolk, in the 14th century. These seem highly unlikely to have any connection with India. My source is "The Court Rolls of Walsham le Willows, 1351-1399", edited by Ray Lock; Suffolk Records Society, vol. XLV, 2002

Gordon Johnson, Caithness, Scotland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.153.166.99 (talk) 23:34, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

3 or 4 ?

"Patels are separated in 3..." and then we have a list of 4?178.149.135.33 (talk) 20:17, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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 This article is full of interesting stuff, but it doesn't cite sources. There's only one source mentioned, next to "Bharat ke Chaudhary," but the link is dead and there seems to be some sort of broken citation tag that I lack the sophistication to fix (other than removing it, which would have felt a little bit hypocritical). I added the "This article does not list its references or sources" banner at the top. If some clever editor could provide some sources for this material, the rest of us would be grateful. &mdash;[[User:CKA3KA|CKA3KA (Skazka)]] 21:47, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
-== VP patel, "Bharat ke Chaudhary" ==
+== VP patel, "Bharat ke 5Lp patel; C" ==
 On 01:38, 25 August 2006, anon IP [[Special:Contributions/68.154.33.6|68.154.33.6]] added a reference to the book ''Bharat ke Chaudhary'' by VP Desai.  I can't find any evidence of its existence outside of Wikipedia.  Help anyone?  --[[User:Adamrush|Adamrush]] 03:19, 28 October 2006 (UTC)