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:Independent reliable sources do describe him as promoting a non-aggression principle, peaceful parenting, anti-circumcision, etc. That is not what he is notable for, according to independent reliable sources. - <span style="color:#D70270;background-color:white;">Sum</span><span style="color:#734F96;background-color:white;">mer</span><span style="color:#0038A8;background-color:white;">PhD</span><sup>[[User talk:SummerPhDv2.0|v2.0]]</sup> 12:47, 17 January 2020 (UTC) |
:Independent reliable sources do describe him as promoting a non-aggression principle, peaceful parenting, anti-circumcision, etc. That is not what he is notable for, according to independent reliable sources. - <span style="color:#D70270;background-color:white;">Sum</span><span style="color:#734F96;background-color:white;">mer</span><span style="color:#0038A8;background-color:white;">PhD</span><sup>[[User talk:SummerPhDv2.0|v2.0]]</sup> 12:47, 17 January 2020 (UTC) |
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Thank you for those comments. I will look at them and comment in the next day or so. I welcome additional comments below. However, we have not yet had a '''discussion''' about why you think this is a neutral article so please give others a chance to comment and do not remove the NPOV before a concensus has been reached. [[User:Mike Young|Mike Young]] ([[User talk:Mike Young|talk]]) 22:37, 17 January 2020 (UTC) |
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Business sold or foreclosed?
The article currently states that his business was sold in 2000 but the link points to a sale in 2002 when then business was foreclosed according to the CDNX(now Toronto Stock Exchange). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.5.79.2 (talk) 10:33, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- Can you propose a change to the article text based on all available sources? That would be the next step. SPECIFICO talk 16:10, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- There is this statement by Molyneux concerning the deal. Not sure how this fits your point. SPECIFICO talk 20:09, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
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there is no evidence to suggest stefan is a white supremacist or white nationalist. wikipedia has turned into a far left propaganda platform 216.158.244.243 (talk) 18:43, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Read the talk page. Volunteer Marek 18:48, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 19:23, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
NPOV
There is a lot of discussion about the neutrality of this article above. I have inserted a POV heading. Please try to improve the article. I Please discuss why you think the article is neutral before removing the header. Thank you. Mike Young (talk) 09:13, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
Things that will fix the NPOV
The first sentence has to go. The words "Far-right", "White supremacist" and "Scientific racism" are hardly neutral.
The article should talk about what he believes, rather than what cherry-picked sources say about him. I see nothing about the "non-aggression principle, peaceful parenting, anti-circumcision etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mike Young (talk • contribs) 04:34, January 17, 2020 (UTC)
- You are misunderstanding what WP:NPOV calls for. NPOV states that we are to summarize "fairly, proportionately, and as far as possible without editorial bias" what independent reliable sources say about a subject.
- In the present case, Molyneux is not notable because he is a youtuber or podcaster. Millions of people are. He is notable -- according to independent reliable sources -- as a far-right, white nationalist podcaster and YouTuber who promotes scientific racism and white supremacist views.
- So, when NBC News describes someone as a mycologist, we say they are a mycologist. If NBC says they are an actor, a truck driver or a bottle cap director, that's what we say. NBC says Molyneux is a "white nationalist YouTube agitator".[[1] Others describe him as a "libertarian internet commentator and alleged cult leader who amplifies 'scientific racism,' eugenics and white supremacism"[2], "(youtuber) who promotes topics like scientific racism"[3], "a talk show host who promotes scientific racism"[4], "promoter of the alt-right’s new scientific racism"[5], "Trump's troll army...alt-right online philosopher"[6], "far-right podcast that frequently gave a platform to white nationalists and whose host has argued that some races are less intelligent than others"[7], etc.
- Independent reliable sources do describe him as promoting a non-aggression principle, peaceful parenting, anti-circumcision, etc. That is not what he is notable for, according to independent reliable sources. - SummerPhDv2.0 12:47, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for those comments. I will look at them and comment in the next day or so. I welcome additional comments below. However, we have not yet had a discussion about why you think this is a neutral article so please give others a chance to comment and do not remove the NPOV before a concensus has been reached. Mike Young (talk) 22:37, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
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The information contained in Stefan Molyneux's wiki page that he is a white supremacist is the most ridiculous thing i've read in a long time. I challenge you to point out anything he has said or position he has taken that could remotely be considered "white nationalist" or "white supremacist". The simply fact of the matter is that he uses philosphy, reason, and evidence to challenge many of the long standing uber liberal views on society, to have conversations and further the discussion. Wikipedia should be ashamed of having this kind of outright lies on their site.
TlCottrell (talk) 18:44, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
Not done: Wikipedia goes by reliable sources, not original research or first-hand familiarity. Grayfell (talk) 21:39, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
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