Talk:Sachin Tendulkar

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Edit request on 04th October 2013

Please add Sachin last match score also. He finished his 50000666666 at 5th april , 2013. He is run continued.

Edit request on 011th November 2013

Please recheck Sachin's early domestic carrer. http://www.cricketcountry.com/cricket-articles/-lsquo-Sachin-Tendulkar-was-convinced-by-Sunil-Gavaskar-to-play-for-Yorkshire-rsquo/32510 Kindly elaborate that it was actually Craig who was supposed to be first overseas player for yorkshire but he suffered groin injury a month before his propose debut which made for Sachin.

Edits required in 'Injuries and decline amid surpassing Bradman's haul'

Some of the statements presented here are too general and unsupported by facts:

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Original Paragraph: pradeep During this period from about 2002 ff to 2006–7, tendulkar's batting often seemed to be a shadow of its former self. He was inconsistent, and his big knocks mostly came in sedate, accumulative, uncharacteristic fashion. He seemed to have either cut out or lost the ability to play many shots, including the hook and pull and many other aerial strokes. He also developed a tendency to go without scoring much for long periods and become overtly defensive. While players such as Ricky Ponting and Jacques Kallis were at the peak of their careers, Sachin's seemed to be in terminal decline

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Debate over Tendulkar's decline in form during 2003-2007:

2003- 2007 is perceived as a period where Sachin Tendulkar's career was in a slow decline. This is largely attributed to few important reasons.One of the major reasons for this decline were the career threatening Tennis elbow and Shoulder injury Tendulkar faced in 2005 and 2006 respectively.In Reality Tendulkar continued to a top performer in ODI's during this period(except for 2005) but faced few set backs in tests in 2005 and 2006.However, Tendulkar's changing style and scoring disruption due to injuries coupled with his increasing age, gave the perception that his career was on the decline. In some ways, Tendulkar fell victim to the extraordinary standards he set.

ODI form during 2003-2007

Tendulkar's perceived ODI decline during 2002 to 2007 is something that is totally disproved by statistics. Sachin's average and Strike rate dipped below 40 and 80 respectively only in 2005 and 2006 which were the Tennis Elbow, Shoulder Injury years. In fact in 2006, Tendulkar played a few stellar knocks including 2 hundreds against Pakistan and West Indies. 2007 In fact was one of the most productive years in Tendulkar's ODI Career as a batsman. Tendulkar's performance in the 2003 World Cup is rated as one of his best ever and is a record in the World Cup format for highest runs scored by a Batsman

Test form during 2003-2007

Tendulkar's form dipped in tests only in 2005 and 2006 contrary to popular perception that 2003-2007 were decline years. From 2007 Tendulkar caught a second wind in his career and his 2007 average was 55.42 higher than his career average. The year 2003 too witnessed a low average but can only be seen as an aberration as he played only 5 tests including the highly pressurized India-Australia Series.2003 Australia Tour was a major psychological hurdle for Sachin when leading publications and critics criticized him over his failure in the initial tests. Tendulkar came back with a 241 not out in Sydney which is rated by Brian Lara as the greatest innings from Tendulkar he had seen. The innings is famous for Tendulkar not playing a cover drive, one of the most frequent strokes used by a batsman, till he crossed 200 since this shot led to his downfall in the previous 3 innings.

Change of Style and Role :

The era witnessed a cooling down of the explosive tendulkar post the 2003 world cup with the rise of young aggressive batsmen such as Virender Sehwag, Yuvraj Singh,MS Dhoni,gavaskar. Sachin transitioned his gaming style into more of a sheet anchor role which was a phase of self denial for his fans and critics. This also coincided with the rise of the big 3 -Dravid, Ganguly, Laxman which also contributed to a perception of lower contribution from Sachin as a player. The career threatening injuries- Tennis Elbow-2005, shoulder surgery 2006 also contributed significantly to the change in playing style from an aggressor to an Adapter. However this too would change in the years to come. sachin —

References

Semi-protected edit request on 29 August 2017

I want to change debut date 15 nov 1989 to 16 nov 1989 and last test date 14 nov 2013 to 16 nov 2013 as per his autobiography he has written himself. Madhav336 (talk) 08:46, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Can you provide a direct link to where this is mentioned? — IVORK _Discuss 14:16, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. I agree with IVORK; please provide the direct link to the autobiography. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 14:42, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Objection to phrase "widely regarded as the greatest batsman of all time"

In the opening paragraph of this article, I object to the phrase that describes Tendulkar as being "widely regarded as the greatest batsman of all time".

The validity of some of the references that are cited to support this claim are flimsy at best. Wisden is cricket's "bible" (i.e. authoritative source) and in the 2000s they rank Sir Donald Bradman as the greatest (Test) batsman of all time, the player of the greatest Test innings of all times, and captain of the greatest Test team of all times, and the greatest player of all time http://www.topendsports.com/world/lists/greatest-all-time/cricket-wisden100.htm

Wisden's ranking was based upon a poll of 100 cricketing "greats", and they have a higher standing in the game than an obscure journalist, and MUST be considered a wider source than teh four references cited to support the claim of Tendulkar. Statistically, Bradman possesses a far superior Test average of 99.94 against Tendulkar's 53.78. Furthermore, Bradman's rate of a century every 2.76 innings is far superior to Tendulkar's ratio of one every 6.45 innings. The only part of Tendulkar's record that is superior to Bradman's is his sheer volume of runs as Tendulkar player many more Tests, but it is impossible to include this as comparisions to an era when international tours where facilitated by lengthy boat trips rather than jet travel, and so fewer games were played (and careers interrupted by teh outbreak of WW2).

Quite frankly, this article seems heavily biased from Indian fans. In summary, I strongly believe a more neutral, international description is needed and as such, proposed a simple change so that the phrase reads "widely regarded as one of the greatest batsmen of all time". Blammy1 (talk) 15:27, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

There is definitely an issue with Indian cricket fans slanting things in this article, and I would agree that Wisden is likely to be a superior source to the words of journalists, especially if those journalists are also Indian. However, you may need to seek input from the Cricket project (link should be at the top of this page) because any change to that is likely to cause a massive row involving the same fans. You could just mention on the Cricket project talk page that you have opened this discussion and would like wider input - no need to repeat your entire post there as this is indeed the correct venue. - Sitush (talk) 15:34, 24 September 2017 (UTC)