Jump to content

Talk:Sachin Tendulkar: Difference between revisions

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Browse history interactively
← Previous editNext edit →
Content deleted Content added
VisualWikitext
Fix Linter errors.
(183 intermediate revisions by more than 100 users not shown)
Line 1: Line 1:
{{skip to talk}}
{{skip to talk}}
{{talk header |bot=lowercase sigmabot III |age=30 |units=days}}
{{Talk header}}
{{Vital article|level=4|topic=People|class=C}}
{{Indian English}}
{{Indian English}}
{{article history
{{ArticleHistory
|action1=GAN
|action1=GAN
|action1date=20:05, 26 July 2011
|action1date=20:05, 26 July 2011
|action1link=Talk:Himanshu Singh/GA1
|action1link=Talk:Sachin Tendulkar/GA1
|action1result=not listed
|action1result=not listed
|action1oldid=440275840
|action1oldid=440275840


|action2=GAN
|action2=GAN
|action2date=16:59, 24 October 2013
|action2date=16:59, 11 October 2013
|action2link=Talk:Sachin Tendulkar/GA2
|action2link=Talk:Sachin Tendulkar/GA2
|action2result=not listed
|action2result=not listed
Line 29: Line 28:


|currentstatus=FGAN
|currentstatus=FGAN
|topic=sports}}
|topic=sports|itn1date=16 March 2012
|itn2date=16 November2013
{{WikiProjectBannerShell|blp=yes|1=
|itn3date=19 October 2008
{{WikiProject Biography|living=yes|class=B|sports-priority =high|sports-work-group=yes|listas=Tendulkar, Sachin}}
|itn4date=24 February 2010
{{WikiProject Cricket
|class=B
<!-- 1. Broad coverage, no significant errors/omissions; compliance with [[WP:NPOV]], [[WP:SCOPE]], [[WP:LENGTH]], [[WP:NOTSTATS]] -->
|B-Class-1=yes
<!-- 2. Fully referenced with inline citations; compliance with [[WP:FNNR]], [[WP:VERIFY]], [[WP:COPYVIO]], [[WP:OR]] -->
|B-Class-2=yes
<!-- 3. Well written with good English and no grammatical, syntax and spelling errors; compliance with [[WP:MoS]], [[WP:WTW]] -->
|B-Class-3=yes
<!-- 4. Defined structure; compliance with [[WP:LEAD]], [[WP:SECTION]] -->
|B-Class-4=yes
<!-- 5. Adequate navigation; compliance with [[WP:NAVIGATION]], [[WP:LINK]], [[WP:CATEGORY]], [[WP:TEMPLATE]] -->
|B-Class-5=yes
<!-- 6. Where possible and appropriate, contains supporting materials such as an infobox, images or diagrams -->
|B-Class-6=yes
|importance=high
}}
}}
{{WikiProject India|class=B|importance=mid|maharashtra=yes|maharashtra-importance=mid|mumbai=yes|mumbai-importance=high|assess-date=April 2012}}
{{WikiProject banner shell|class=C|blp=y|vital=yes|living=y|listas=Tendulkar, Saachin|1=
{{WikiProject Indian Premier League|class=B|importance=low}}}}
{{WikiProject Biography|sports-work-group=y|sports-priority=high }}
{{WikiProject Cricket|importance=High}}
{{ITN talk
{{WikiProject India |importance=Mid |maharashtra=y |maharashtra-importance=mid |mumbai=y |mumbai-importance=high |assess-date=April 2012}}
|date1=19 October 2008
{{WikiProject Indian Premier League|importance=Low}}
|date2=24 February 2010
|date3=16 March 2012
|date4=16 November2013
}}
}}
{{top 25 report|November 10, 2013|November 17, 2013}}
{{Archives |auto=short |search=yes |bot=lowercase sigmabot III|age=30 |units=days}}
{{section sizes}}
{{User:MiszaBot/config
{{User:MiszaBot/config
|archiveheader = {{Aan}}
| archiveheader = {{Aan}}
|maxarchivesize = 50K
| maxarchivesize = 50K
|counter = 5
| counter = 6
|minthreadsleft = 5
| minthreadsleft = 5
|minthreadstoarchive = 1
| minthreadstoarchive = 1
|algo = old(30d)
| algo = old(30d)
|archive = Talk:Sachin Tendulkar/Archive %(counter)d
| archive = Talk:Sachin Tendulkar/Archive %(counter)d
}}
{{Broken anchors|links=
* <nowiki>[[List of India national cricket captains#Men's cricket|captained the Indian national team]]</nowiki> The anchor (#Men's cricket) [[Special:Diff/1190727008|has been deleted]]. <!-- {"title":"Men's cricket","appear":{"revid":910043729,"parentid":910028177,"timestamp":"2019-08-09T08:54:05Z","removed_section_titles":["Men’s cricket"],"added_section_titles":["Men's cricket"],"replaced_anchors":{"Men’s cricket":"Men's cricket"}},"disappear":{"revid":1190727008,"parentid":1190213086,"timestamp":"2023-12-19T13:56:07Z","removed_section_titles":["Men's cricket","Test match captains","CITEREF2014","One Day International captains","Twenty20 International captains","Test match captains"],"added_section_titles":["Men's","Test","ODI","T20I","Test"]}} -->
}}
}}


== Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2023 ==
== Infobox image ==
Good For Infobox [[:File:Sachin Tendulkar Autograph.jpg]] [[User:Perumalism|Perumalism]]

== Edit request on 04th October 2013 ==
<!-- Begin request -->
Please add Sachin last match score also. He finished his 50000666666 at 5th april , 2013. He is run continued.
<!-- End request -->

== Edit request on 011th November 2013 ==
<!-- Begin request -->
Please recheck Sachin's early domestic carrer. http://www.cricketcountry.com/cricket-articles/-lsquo-Sachin-Tendulkar-was-convinced-by-Sunil-Gavaskar-to-play-for-Yorkshire-rsquo/32510 Kindly elaborate that it was actually Craig who was supposed to be first overseas player for yorkshire but he suffered groin injury a month before his propose debut which made for Sachin.
<!-- End request -->

== Edits required in 'Injuries and decline amid surpassing Bradman's haul' ==

Some of the statements presented here are too general and unsupported by facts:

Original Paragraph:

Original Paragraph:
pradeep
During this period from about 2002 ff to 2006–7, tendulkar's batting often seemed to be a shadow of its former self. He was inconsistent, and his big knocks mostly came in sedate, accumulative, uncharacteristic fashion. He seemed to have either cut out or lost the ability to play many shots, including the hook and pull and many other aerial strokes. He also developed a tendency to go without scoring much for long periods and become overtly defensive. While players such as Ricky Ponting and Jacques Kallis were at the peak of their careers, Sachin's seemed to be in terminal decline

Suggested EDIT:

Debate over Tendulkar's decline in form during 2003-2007:

2003- 2007 is perceived as a period where Sachin Tendulkar's career was in a slow decline. This is largely attributed to few important reasons.One of the major reasons for this decline were the career threatening Tennis elbow and Shoulder injury Tendulkar faced in 2005 and 2006 respectively.In Reality Tendulkar continued to a top performer in ODI's during this period(except for 2005) but faced few set backs in tests in 2005 and 2006.However, Tendulkar's changing style and scoring disruption due to injuries coupled with his increasing age, gave the perception that his career was on the decline. In some ways, Tendulkar fell victim to the extraordinary standards he set.

ODI form during 2003-2007


{{edit semi-protected|Sachin Tendulkar|answered=yes}}
Tendulkar's perceived ODI decline during 2002 to 2007 is something that is totally disproved by statistics<ref>Source: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/35320.html?class=2;template=results;type=batting</ref>. Sachin's average and Strike rate dipped below 40 and 80 respectively only in 2005<ref>http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/35320.html?class=2;template=results;type=batting;view=innings;year=2005</ref> and 2006 which were the Tennis Elbow, Shoulder Injury years.
Sachin Tendulkar has been part of 2002 ICC Champions trophy co-winning team, which is not mentioned in his medal record. His team was also the runner up in 2000 ICC Champions trophy.
In fact in 2006, Tendulkar played a few stellar knocks including 2 hundreds against Pakistan and West Indies.
He was part of 1991 and 1995 Asia Cup winning campaign and runner-up in 1997 and 2004 campaign.
2007 In fact was one of the most productive years in Tendulkar's ODI Career as a batsman.<ref>http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/35320.html?class=2;template=results;type=batting;view=innings;year=2007</ref>
Kindly check this request and update his medal record.
Tendulkar's performance in the 2003 World Cup is rated as one of his best ever and is a record in the World Cup format for highest runs scored by a Batsman<ref>http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/284251.html</ref>
[[User:Ramesh Sridhar|Ramesh Sridhar]] ([[User talk:Ramesh Sridhar|talk]]) 03:38, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' please provide [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> '''<span style="color:#f535aa">—</span> [[User:Paper9oll|<span style="background:#f535aa;color:#fff;padding:2px;border-radius:5px">Paper9oll</span>]] <span style="color:#f535aa">([[User talk:Paper9oll|🔔]] • [[Special:Contributions/Paper9oll|📝]])</span>''' 07:34, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
::http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/66195.html - 2002 ICC Champions trophy final winner
::https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-knockout-2000-01-61073/india-vs-new-zealand-final-66179/full-scorecard - 2000 ICC champions trophy final runner-up
::https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/pepsi-asia-cup-1994-95-60971/india-vs-sri-lanka-final-65691/full-scorecard - 1995 Asia Cup final winner
::https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/asia-cup-2004-61152/sri-lanka-vs-india-final-65718/full-scorecard - 2014 Asia Cup final runner-up
::https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/pepsi-asia-cup-1997-61008/sri-lanka-vs-india-final-65698/full-scorecard - 1997 Asia Cup final runner-up
::https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/asia-cup-1990-91-60913/india-vs-sri-lanka-final-65684/full-scorecard - 1991 Asia Cup final winner [[Special:Contributions/49.204.136.150|49.204.136.150]] ([[User talk:49.204.136.150|talk]]) 10:53, 24 June 2023 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 25 June 2023 ==
Test form during 2003-2007
Tendulkar's form dipped in tests only in 2005 and 2006 contrary to popular perception<ref>http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/35320.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting </ref> that 2003-2007 were decline years. From 2007 Tendulkar caught a second wind in his career and his 2007 average was 55.42 higher than his career average. The year 2003 too witnessed a low average but can only be seen as an aberration as he played only 5 tests including the highly pressurized India-Australia Series.2003 Australia Tour was a major psychological hurdle for Sachin when leading publications and critics criticized him over his failure in the initial tests. Tendulkar came back with a 241 not out in Sydney which is rated by Brian Lara as the greatest innings from Tendulkar he had seen. The innings is famous for Tendulkar not playing a cover drive, one of the most frequent strokes used by a batsman, till he crossed 200 since this shot led to his downfall in the previous 3 innings.
<ref>http://ibnlive.in.com/news/cricketnext/sachin-tendulkars-241-at-scg-was-his-best-innings-says-brian-lara/425992-78.html</ref>
Change of Style and Role :


{{edit semi-protected|Sachin Tendulkar|answered=yes}}
The era witnessed a cooling down of the explosive tendulkar post the 2003 world cup with the rise of young aggressive batsmen such as Virender Sehwag, Yuvraj Singh,MS Dhoni,gavaskar. Sachin transitioned his gaming style into more of a sheet anchor role which was a phase of self denial for his fans and critics. This also coincided with the rise of the big 3 -Dravid, Ganguly, Laxman which also contributed to a perception of lower contribution from Sachin as a player. The career threatening injuries- Tennis Elbow-2005, shoulder surgery 2006 also contributed significantly to the change in playing style from an aggressor to an Adapter. However this too would change in the years to come.
Sachin Tendulkar has been part of 2002 ICC Champions trophy co-winning team, which is not mentioned in his medal record. His team was also the runner up in 2000 ICC Champions trophy. He was part of 1991 and 1995 Asia Cup winning campaign and runner-up in 1997 and 2004 campaign.
sachin
Kindly check this request and update his medal record.
—


http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/66195.html - 2002 ICC Champions trophy final winner
{{reflist-talk}}
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-knockout-2000-01-61073/india-vs-new-zealand-final-66179/full-scorecard - 2000 ICC champions trophy final runner-up
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/pepsi-asia-cup-1994-95-60971/india-vs-sri-lanka-final-65691/full-scorecard - 1995 Asia Cup final winner
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/asia-cup-2004-61152/sri-lanka-vs-india-final-65718/full-scorecard - 2014 Asia Cup final runner-up
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/pepsi-asia-cup-1997-61008/sri-lanka-vs-india-final-65698/full-scorecard - 1997 Asia Cup final runner-up
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/asia-cup-1990-91-60913/india-vs-sri-lanka-final-65684/full-scorecard - 1991 Asia Cup final winner


Please find the sources attached above and consider this change in his medal record. [[User:Ramesh Sridhar|Ramesh Sridhar]] ([[User talk:Ramesh Sridhar|talk]]) 05:31, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
== Objection to phrase "widely regarded as the greatest batsman of all time" ==


[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a [[WP:EDITXY|"change X to Y" format]] and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:Xan747|Xan747]] ([[User talk:Xan747|talk]]) 20:01, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
In the opening paragraph of this article, I object to the phrase that describes Tendulkar as being "widely regarded as the greatest batsman of all time".


== Semi-protected edit request on 21 June 2024 ==
The validity of some of the references that are cited to support this claim are flimsy at best. Wisden is cricket's "bible" (i.e. authoritative source) and in the 2000s they rank Sir Donald Bradman as the greatest (Test) batsman of all time, the player of the greatest Test innings of all times, and captain of the greatest Test team of all times, and the greatest player of all time http://www.topendsports.com/world/lists/greatest-all-time/cricket-wisden100.htm


'''a attached '''
Wisden's ranking was based upon a poll of 100 cricketing "greats", and they have a higher standing in the game than an obscure journalist, and MUST be considered a wider source than teh four references cited to support the claim of Tendulkar. Statistically, Bradman possesses a far superior Test average of 99.94 against Tendulkar's 53.78. Furthermore, Bradman's rate of a century every 2.76 innings is far superior to Tendulkar's ratio of one every 6.45 innings. The only part of Tendulkar's record that is superior to Bradman's is his sheer volume of runs as Tendulkar player many more Tests, but it is impossible to include this as comparisions to an era when international tours where facilitated by lengthy boat trips rather than jet travel, and so fewer games were played (and careers interrupted by teh outbreak of WW2).
[[File:Atharva Balkrishna (Pawar)|frame|none|alt=Thanks |Virat Kohli ]]


Quite frankly, this article seems heavily biased from Indian fans. In summary, I strongly believe a more neutral, international description is needed and as such, proposed a simple change so that the phrase reads "widely regarded as one of the greatest batsmen of all time".
[[User:Blammy1|Blammy1]] ([[User talk:Blammy1|talk]]) 15:27, 24 September 2017 (UTC)


{{edit semi-protected|Sachin Tendulkar|answered=yes}}
:There is definitely an issue with Indian cricket fans slanting things in this article, and I would agree that Wisden is likely to be a superior source to the words of journalists, especially if those journalists are also Indian. However, you may need to seek input from the Cricket project (link should be at the top of this page) because any change to that is likely to cause a massive row involving the same fans. You could just mention on the Cricket project talk page that you have opened this discussion and would like wider input - no need to repeat your entire post there as this is indeed the correct venue. - [[User:Sitush|Sitush]] ([[User talk:Sitush|talk]]) 15:34, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
[[Special:Contributions/2409:4042:4D33:B699:0:0:280A:8404|2409:4042:4D33:B699:0:0:280A:8404]] ([[User talk:2409:4042:4D33:B699:0:0:280A:8404|talk]]) 16:28, 21 June 2024 (UTC)


:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a [[WP:EDITXY|"change X to Y" format]] and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">[[User:FlightTime|<span style="color:#800000">'''FlightTime'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:FlightTime|<span style="color:#1C0978">'''open channel'''</span>]])</small></span> 16:31, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
::I've added "one of" to try and regain some sense of objectivity. [[User:Jenks24|Jenks24]] ([[User talk:Jenks24|talk]]) 02:26, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Revision as of 18:53, 21 June 2024

Former good article nomineeSachin Tendulkar was a Sports and recreation good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
In the news Article milestones
DateProcessResult
July 26, 2011Good article nomineeNot listed
October 11, 2013Good article nomineeNot listed
December 23, 2013Good article nomineeNot listed
July 26, 2014Good article nomineeNot listed
In the news News items involving this article were featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "In the news" column on March 16, 2012, November 16, 2013, October 19, 2008, and February 24, 2010.
Current status: Former good article nominee

Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2023

Sachin Tendulkar has been part of 2002 ICC Champions trophy co-winning team, which is not mentioned in his medal record. His team was also the runner up in 2000 ICC Champions trophy. He was part of 1991 and 1995 Asia Cup winning campaign and runner-up in 1997 and 2004 campaign. Kindly check this request and update his medal record. Ramesh Sridhar (talk) 03:38, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 07:34, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/66195.html - 2002 ICC Champions trophy final winner
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-knockout-2000-01-61073/india-vs-new-zealand-final-66179/full-scorecard - 2000 ICC champions trophy final runner-up
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/pepsi-asia-cup-1994-95-60971/india-vs-sri-lanka-final-65691/full-scorecard - 1995 Asia Cup final winner
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/asia-cup-2004-61152/sri-lanka-vs-india-final-65718/full-scorecard - 2014 Asia Cup final runner-up
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/pepsi-asia-cup-1997-61008/sri-lanka-vs-india-final-65698/full-scorecard - 1997 Asia Cup final runner-up
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/asia-cup-1990-91-60913/india-vs-sri-lanka-final-65684/full-scorecard - 1991 Asia Cup final winner 49.204.136.150 (talk) 10:53, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 25 June 2023

Sachin Tendulkar has been part of 2002 ICC Champions trophy co-winning team, which is not mentioned in his medal record. His team was also the runner up in 2000 ICC Champions trophy. He was part of 1991 and 1995 Asia Cup winning campaign and runner-up in 1997 and 2004 campaign. Kindly check this request and update his medal record.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/66195.html - 2002 ICC Champions trophy final winner https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-knockout-2000-01-61073/india-vs-new-zealand-final-66179/full-scorecard - 2000 ICC champions trophy final runner-up https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/pepsi-asia-cup-1994-95-60971/india-vs-sri-lanka-final-65691/full-scorecard - 1995 Asia Cup final winner https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/asia-cup-2004-61152/sri-lanka-vs-india-final-65718/full-scorecard - 2014 Asia Cup final runner-up https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/pepsi-asia-cup-1997-61008/sri-lanka-vs-india-final-65698/full-scorecard - 1997 Asia Cup final runner-up https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/asia-cup-1990-91-60913/india-vs-sri-lanka-final-65684/full-scorecard - 1991 Asia Cup final winner

Please find the sources attached above and consider this change in his medal record. Ramesh Sridhar (talk) 05:31, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Xan747 (talk) 20:01, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 21 June 2024

a attached

Thanks
Virat Kohli 


2409:4042:4D33:B699:0:0:280A:8404 (talk) 16:28, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. - FlightTime (open channel) 16:31, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sachin_Tendulkar&oldid=1230271500"