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Unequal treaty → Unequal treaties – Usually referred to in the plural as a collection, per WP:NCPLURAL. Remsense诉 18:05, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Support. Per WP:NCPLURAL. This is also more consistent with the scope of the article body, which addresses the numerous unequal treaties, not just a particular unequal treaty. JArthur1984 (talk) 18:20, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Google ngrams also suggests that "Unequal treaties" is much more common than "Unequal treaty". --Wengier (talk) 18:23, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Have only ever seen this in the plural form. Folly Mox (talk) 19:06, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support – seems similar to examples listed at WP:NCPLURAL. This article is about a specific set of historical treaties that are typically known as the unequal treaties, not about the general concept of an unequal treaty. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 21:57, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per other comments 211.43.120.242 (talk) 00:22, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: the article mentions multiple treaties, so WP:NCPLURAL applies. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 02:40, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support as per Remsense ch (talk) 05:02, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. I see that this article is more focusing about multiple set of historical treaties, many of them are unequel treaties. 2404:8000:1037:178:BC59:A73B:4305:D032 (talk) 09:29, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral, leaning oppose pending clarifications. The first part of the article focuses on the term "unequal treaty" in the singular. Moreover, While I have seen the plural "unequal treaties" as a collective term in reference to China, I am not sure the same applies in the context of Japan and Korea, which are also discussed, nor that the plural term as used is inclusive of all three countries. Also, I don't read Chinese/Korean/Japanese script, so I cannot tell if the infobox is translating it into singular or plural. I would appreciate clarification on these points. Walrasiad (talk) 10:20, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The CJK terms can be either singular or plural, depends on context. Japan and Korea each signed their own series of unequal treaties; they are explicitly described as such in both English and in their respective languages. Korea quick search in books, japan in scholar 211.43.120.242 (talk) 10:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - excellent catch. The first word of the article then should be "The" Red Slash 06:04, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 * '''Neutral''', leaning oppose pending clarifications. The first part of the article focuses on the term "unequal treaty" in the singular. Moreover, While I have seen the plural "unequal treaties" as a collective term in reference to China, I am not sure the same applies in the context of Japan and Korea, which are also discussed, nor that the plural term as used is inclusive of all three countries.  Also, I don't read Chinese/Korean/Japanese script, so I cannot tell if the infobox is translating it into singular or plural. I would appreciate clarification on these points. [[User:Walrasiad|Walrasiad]] ([[User talk:Walrasiad|talk]]) 10:20, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 *:The CJK terms can be either singular or plural, depends on context. Japan and Korea each signed their own series of unequal treaties; they are explicitly described as such in both English and in their respective languages. [https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=%22unequal+treaties%22+%22korea%22 Korea quick search in books], [https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22unequal+treaties%22+%22japan%22&btnG= japan in scholar] [[Special:Contributions/211.43.120.242|211.43.120.242]] ([[User talk:211.43.120.242|talk]]) 10:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
+*'''Support''' - excellent catch. The first word of the article then should be "The" [[User:Red Slash|<span style="color:#FF4131;">Red</span>]] [[User talk:Red Slash|<b><span style="color:#460121;">Slash</span></b>]] 06:04, 10 July 2024 (UTC)