Talk:Two and a Half Men

Published in Austria

In Austria its also published at ATV since 2011 (http://www.tvbutler.at/tv-news/atv+setzt+auf+two+and+a+h/ (in german))under the name "two and a half men". At ORFeins (ORF1) it is only published under "mein cooler onkel charly" — Preceding unsigned comment added by ANTB (talk • contribs) 17:06, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Adding in the New 2009 Emmy nomanations

Some one may want to take the time to add this in, Charlie was is one catagory —Preceding unsigned comment added by KathyCQ (talk • contribs) 11:05, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Other Notable Guests

Jamie Rose appeared in a slot in 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.227.114.140 (talk) 22:59, 26 February 2009 (UTC) Jane Lynch appears as a notable role in the series, and she is even given an award for her appearance, which is already mentioned on the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.54.115.185 (talk) 01:28, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

addition

I just added a longer plot description. Any one please feel free to change or add, this is Wikipedia! (user Cpom January 22 2006)

I just made some small plot point corrections. I broke down one early sentence into two or three, and the last, I feel, should go into a separate paragraph at some point. It was "Alan also, at one point, finds out that his ex-wife Judith has become a lesbian." This could be a new paragraph dealing with Alan's ex-wife and where the comedy comes into play with her, similar to Rose's paragraph and the brothers' mother's paragraph. Really, eventually, a lot of these points could go into episode pages. I'm pretty used to looking at Simpsons pages, which are very detailed. --Eric Jack Nash 21:00, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

The Synopsis

I really don't like it, it is not written from a Neutral Point of View and often talks about things that are irrelevant for a general overview of the show (as a detailed synopsis is only necessary for the individual episodes). Would be good if someone re-wrote this

Dharma?

• There was an episode recently were Dharma from Dharma & Greg was in the show, but she was called Frankie. It's still the same character however, as she says her ex-husband Rans for congress and had "Stuck up" parents User:Zeldamaster3

Dharma was a lunatic, as is her portrayer. I think it would be easy to say that she just had a new nickname. Remember on the show she had two friends who became "Stewie" when they were together. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.150.36.30 (talk) 00:51, 25 February 2007 (UTC).

Well, by that logic, wouldn't Charlie be the same character that he played on Spin City? That's just silly.

Shawn Crapo (talk) 14:46, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

trivia

it says that the episode "go get mummys bra" is one example of times the line is not used in the episode. that line is used in that episode, and there aren't any that have dropped the line that I've seen. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.16.183.177 (talk) 20:11, 12 February 2007 (UTC).

New category

• I've created a new category for the series Category:Two and a Half Men. The list of episodes cannot be listed in the Category:Television series by Warner Bros. Television, only the main television series in general. Robert Moore 06:11, 25 November 2006

The Ocean

I could swear the backdrop used to represent the Pacific Ocean behind the windows gives illusion of movement to the waves. (154.5.194.215 01:32, 19 June 2007 (UTC))

I noticed that, too. It's probably the same effect used in those animated beer signs you see in bars. Just two layers of waves (partially transparent) moving side to side over a lighted background. But, then again, it could be a projection.

Shawn Crapo (talk) 14:36, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Isabella

Who played Isabella in that halloween episode? She's hot but that's beside the point. I wanna learn more about her. 70.49.204.73 (talk) 03:54, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

-Jodi Lyn O'Keefe played Isabella - I only watched that episode myself today! Unwisely (talk) 15:31, 3 June 2008 (UTC)==

Unknown Obvious Female Character

I'm curious about the actress who played the extremely dumb but gorgeous redhead who was Alans girlfriend and became Alans second wife.She seems to have been airbrushed out of this wikipedia, or am I missing the obvious?. Anyone know who I'm talking about? If she's listed in stars I've missed her.Thanks Ern Malleyscrub (talk) 11:00, 30 December 2010 (UTC) Just found her, stop looking. It's April Bowlby who played Kandi. If she was there I must've been blind.(It's called having a man-look; missing what's right in front of you)Ern Malleyscrub (talk) 03:03, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

NZ Flag?

Why is there a icon of the New Zealand flag by Charlie Sheen's name? Is it possibly meant for Melanie Lynskey?--Kjrjr (talk) 16:21, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

--Kjrjr (talk) 16:14, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Berta?

Is she still a main character? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.226.221.176 (talk) 04:10, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, she most certainly is. She appears in nearly every episode, sometimes you can even see her walking around in the background even when she's not involved in the scene at all. 24.226.77.23 (talk) 21:09, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Theme Song

Was it really necessary to include the part about the theme song in this article? Is there anyone really stupid enough to actually believe that Angus T. Jones sang the backup in the theme song? I don't think such idiocy could be considered "popular belief".

Shawn Crapo (talk) 23:15, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Ryan Stiles

How come Ryan Stiles is the first person on the list of characters on the "infobox"? Doesn't he play a recurring character? If he does, he should be in the bottom or out of the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.30.143.39 (talk) 00:07, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Interntional broadcasters

international broadcasters should be left alone as everyone who reads this article would be curious of what countrys this show is being broadcast this international thing has been here for about 3 years sn now you decide to delete it .. it not harm to leave it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.224.42.232 (talk) 20:27, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

You have been consistently adding these to Cold Case after being told by numerous users to stop. Wikipedia is not a tv guide. I have given you several links to read in my edit summaries and your talkpage. I suggest you read them and familiarize yourself with what Wikipedia is not.--Fogeltje (talk) 21:20, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

I been on this site for 4 years and that was there and why do you decide to delete it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.224.42.232 (talk) 04:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

For the last time, please READ the links I posted in various edit summaries, talk pages and your own talkpage. Unfortunately I have the feeling you do not wish to understand.--Fogeltje (talk) 08:50, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Recording

Is the show filmed before a live studio audience? --IdLoveOne (talk) 03:31, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

MAD Parody

The graphic showing the Mad parody doesn't have any text in the voice balloons. 45750born (talk) 12:40, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Are the words removed for copyright reasons or are there no words in the original - a joke about the quality of the script ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.87.70.209 (talk) 03:23, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Character articles

There should be an article on Berta. The information here is very incomplete. What's her first appearance??--201.155.3.160 (talk) 18:54, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Her first appearence was the fourth or fifth article. And she was a main cast member for Season Two, and the most common revurring character. She needs an article... I don't know how to make one, though. Also, Rose should have an article. Her psyche deserves a whole page in itself. Judith and Evelyn articles... I don't know, but definatly Berta and Rose. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.247.244.120 (talk) 00:57, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Melanie Lynskey (plays Rose) has an entire wikipedia article page that is linked in Two And A Half Men article. Click on that to read more,thanks Ern Malleyscrub (talk) 03:12, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Sam Sheen is actually the daughter (not the son) of Charlie Sheen and Denise Richards, so that correction was made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eshler05 (talk • contribs) 16:45, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

The tone or style needs improvement. Appears to be opinions.

Added {{Inappropriate tone}} tag. The sections Main Characters and Recurring Characters contain many statements which appear to be opinions of editors or speculations. All material on Wikipedia should be cited to reliable third-party sources. -- 201.53.7.16 (talk) 20:49, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Two and a Half Men wiki

The Two and a Half Men wiki linked to from some of these articles has information about a son Alan had with Kandi. None of that ever happened, as far as I know. So the question is, should we link to a wiki that has false information that it's trying to pass off as fact? --Jnelson09 (talk) 04:31, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

200.71.161.189 (talk) 21:21, 27 February 2009 (UTC) why is the link i added not accepted? its a great link i found with hundreds of episodes of two and a half men, and its free, why is it not accepted to post it here?

The link has multiple issues - not the least of which is that the site does not appear to have legal copyright to provide the episodes. It would be worthwhile to read WP:COPYRIGHT, as well as WP:ELNO and WP:NOT#REPOSITORY. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 21:25, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Theme Song

Who sings the theme song on "Two and A Half Men"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.194.114.149 (talk) 03:54, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

U.S. Ratings Table

Stop adding series 8 and 9, the show could be cancelled between then. 86.150.33.111 (talk) 20:02, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

The Show was renewed for 3 more seasons taking it through 2011-2012 season which would be Season 9 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.20.130.110 (talk) 16:47, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Reception

The article lacks a section on its critical reception. It has received quite a beating for being stereotypical, dimwitted, sexist and inappropriate, whatever that means. I don't necessarily share that view since I've been watching the show from the beginning, but over the years I've seen this repeated over and over again, so there has to be some quotable material on this topic. Likewise, somebody must have written something about why it's so successful. Many shows try to be simplistic, but few have shared the success of Two and a Half Men.--134.130.4.46 (talk) 17:25, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree there should be some sort of critical reception section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.179.157.158 (talk) 03:59, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I started a "Reaction" section. So far just two (negative) references, so it needs expansion and balancing, but it's a start. Wikipeterproject (talk) 22:05, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

The "Reaction" section has been renamed "Criticism" and tagged accordingly. In the context of the article as a whole, I don't think some commentary on the reaction of some reviewers that the sitcom is sexist is out of place. If this can be "balanced" by a response (i.e. someone arguing that it isn't sexist), then of course it should be included, but I can't find any such response. I don't think it's NPOV to include the criticism, but agree that the section needs more work. Also agree that "Criticism" is better than "Reaction". It would be easy to include all sorts of reviews, but the main point of the section is that the sitcom has been criticised as being sexist, which I think is important enough to include in its own right. Any comments? Wikipeterproject (talk) 22:29, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Comment indeed. The danger many people have of insisting on NPOV is to balance a negative comment with a positive comment. That's not how neutral works - neutral means to present *any* facts without undue bias towards them, or to favour any particular type of comment - be it negative or positive. Just because there are a couple of negative comments with no positive ones is no reason to remove the negative comments. I agree that they stay. a_man_alone (talk) 07:33, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

That's not actually correct. Neutrally treating facts is not enough. WP:WEIGHT states, "Neutrality requires that an article fairly represents all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint, giving them "due weight"." Only providing negative viewpoints, as this article does, or only positive viewpoints is not being neutral. --AussieLegend (talk) 14:42, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree, but that's not what I was saying: My statement was, and is, that if there are *only* negative comments available they should not be removed under the banner of NPOV - so long as the way they are presented is itself unbiased. However, I note that for some reason in the past a valid positive comment was removed, [1] so I've reinserted it. Also, if we're truly striving for neutrality, the heading should be something other than "Criticism" - so I've changed that as well. a_man_alone (talk) 15:28, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

I note that the positive comment I found and then later deleted has been included again. I don't mind per se, but my point when creating the section was actually to include discussion of claims of sexism, not a general discussion about likes the show and who doesn't. I would prefer if the positive comment, if any, would relate to the claim of sexism - i.e. a reliable secondary source explaining why the claims of sexism are wrong. Perhaps, with that in mind, the section should have been called "Claims of sexism". There is actually quite a bit of material online supporting this view and, interestingly, I couldn't find anything at all arguing against it. For the record, I don't have strong feelings about the show one way or another. Wikipeterproject (talk) 18:30, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, I kind of agree with that as well. I think the section would be better off as a main heading "Critical reception", and then a sub-heading called "Claims of sexism" whcih could include the sourced comments. If there are other reasonable references, there's no reason why more cannot be included. A show of this popularity must have garnered reviews that are not focussed on the (potential) sexist attitude. I suppose.

FWIW - as with Wikipeter, I'm also somewhat apathetic about the show itself, but what I do care about is how the show is represented within Wikipedia. a_man_alone (talk) 19:51, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Could the sexist criticism really be integrated into the article as a whole? Is it possible to organize such criticisms into a robust context without an edit war to make the wording either innocuous or more critical? I would love to introduce quotes and opinions on the misogyny in TAAHM, but I know for a fact that they would be reverted within hours. 188.98.136.109 (talk) 15:19, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

I miss the argumentation. We have some articles which claim the series is sexist, but there is no plausible argumentation, there are only opinions. We should give the reader the chance to make an own judgement.--77.116.217.24 (talk) 21:27, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Combining Premise and Introduction

Would it be beneficial to combine the premise and the introduction into one paragraph instead of two separate small ones? Joylovessonshine (talk) 19:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I was just reading the article and thought the same thing. So I will. Diderot's dreams (talk) 17:41, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Whatever said & done, whatever "critical" comments have been given, the series is very successful & popular. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr.Soheyl (talk • contribs) 12:27, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Movie Etiquette Reel

Remember a few years back they did a "movie etiquette" reel that played a lot before films? I haven't successfully found any source of this but I remember like it was yesterday. Thus should be included once someone has solid info 71.127.5.28 (talk) 01:37, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

And this has what to do with this article?

--208.54.90.51 (talk) 02:51, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Show shutdown?

Should something be in here about the show shutting down? [2] --James Kidd (talk) 02:05, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Missing guest star

Jenny McCarthy appeared in several episodes as Robert Wagner's daughter, culminating in the two episode arc of Evelyn's wedding to Teddy Leopold and the aftermath. I am not comfortable editing the main article. on this with my little experience in this kind of input. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.193.197.27 (talk) 05:59, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Kandis actress is named but her role is not. She had a very important part at a time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.216.241.59 (talk) 17:30, 7 January 2011 (UTC) mike connors as hugo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.11.103.130 (talk) 18:03, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

OR

This article is -crammed- with original research. So much editing needs to be done. Lots42 (talk) 11:53, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

SOFIXIT --AussieLegend (talk) 12:36, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Merge proposal

The separate article on the character of Jake Harper is pretty flimsy and was written poorly. The information about Jake is pretty much covered here, so there is a proposal to merge it into this article. I think that perhaps all characters of this show can be merged here, into a section listing them with concise, encyclopedic character descriptions. If any characters warrant their own pages, it would be Charlie and Alan only, but there's no need to write about them as if they are real people ("in-universe") nor to include every little tidbit of silly details. Other opinions welcome. nycdi (talk) 08:31, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Jake Harper has been redirected here twice previously,[3][4] and the current version is no better than the previous two. Merging the content probably won't stop people recreating the article. My alternative suggestion would be to create List of Two and a Half Men characters and move all content there, including what's currently in Charlie Harper (Two and a Half Men) and Alan Harper (Two and a Half Men) and most of what's here. --AussieLegend (talk) 09:52, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Languages

Since when is Two and a Half Men german? SkySilver (talk) 19:35, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Beginning March 12 2005 (ORF 1 and ProSieben), since then all episodes have been shown in Germany (and German-speaking Europe) in GERMAN. 91.65.17.62 (talk) 16:20, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Season 8, Episode 13

This episode doesn't air for another 2 weeks, yet the description and title quote has already been filled out. Should this not be deleted or did the episode leak? There's no way one could know about this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Talktoemjoey (talk • contribs) 18:18, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps the description was found on the press release.[5] --AussieLegend (talk) 08:47, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Cancelled

It was canceled today, right? Can I put that in? Or will you dicks revert it and ban me? Jkbena612 (talk) 21:51, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

You may be blocked for your tone. And please read the news carefully and rely on primary sources. The show is not cancelled yet - the just stopped filming in 2011 due to Sheen's health (and mental) condition. --Denniss (talk) 22:09, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Are they still gonna go for Season 9. --WigglesFan1991 (talk) 22:39, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

It's over man. I know a person on the inside, and CBS is weighing new shows to put in its place for the fall season! It's gone, they are going to end it, because they don't want to keep the Sheen-aholic on set. It's gone, those a-dollar-sign-dollar-sign-holes ended it because the drunk guy couldn't hold his comments to himself. Oh well, time to watch Monday Night Raw.[[File:--76.216.123.114 (talk) 04:28, 26 February 2011 (UTC)Example.jpg]]

They can still replace Sheen? It is possible? --190.235.54.180 (talk) 05:09, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Replace him? That's just impossible.--187.21.61.110 (talk) 14:34, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Yeah! He's one of the "odd couple", and the reason he's able to get away with so much demands, which is why CBS is giving the yerkif what he wants!76.206.21.132 (talk) 08:21, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Sure, he could be replaced. We don't know yet though, so we can't make any definitive statements about the fate of the show or the character. Reach Out to the Truth 18:46, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Charlie Sheen has now been fired! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.26.124.199 (talk) 22:05, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it's already in the article. --AussieLegend (talk) 22:11, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

You all need a life; go to college or something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.162.140.53 (talk) 04:23, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Re "hostile comments" against Lorre

The article says "Sheen appeared for interviews on ABC's 20/20, NBC's Today, and CNN's Piers Morgan Tonight, continuing to make hostile comments about Lorre, as well as CBS." I saw some of the interviews and did not hear hostile remarks, maybe he made them on the other interviews which I didn't see. Certainly this sentence gives the impressions he made these comments every time he appeared for an interview, which I don't think was the case. Adjust? 121.247.68.245 (talk) 16:53, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Sheen's argument seems to be that when he came back from rehab, that production would get going and he had a contractual commitment with CBS and Lorre, but when he showed up at the studio, it was vacant, no production happening, and Lorre admitted he had not written any episodes for Season 8. Sheen's argument seems to be that Lorre is attempting to use his power in the media to make Charlie out to be the bad guy when in fact Lorre and CBS have failed to perform per the contract. Perhaps to be NPOV this sort of information needs to be documented here, otherwise the page seems slanted against Sheen. 75.69.183.33 (talk) 00:08, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Comment from a 'Reader' - It does sound very slanted against Charlie. In fact before reading the discussion page I thought the whole wiki article/page was run by CBS and written by Chuck Lorre — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.76.131.125 (talk) 21:24, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Starring Charlie Sheen seasons 1 - 8

I have removed two references to Charlie Sheen starring in seasons 1 - 8; there have only been eight seasons so far, and no episodes produced since his sacking. If and when the show resumes production without him, then this information could legitimately be included. Smurfmeister (talk) 17:12, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

They just announced that Charlie Sheen will not be returning and that Ashton Kutcher would take his place beginning with Season 9. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.210.222 (talk) 17:07, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

This was announced a few days ago and is already in the article. --AussieLegend (talk) 17:43, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Gordon : Pizza Deliver

Gordon also appears in season 4. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxime McFly (talk • contribs) 07:06, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

charlie sheen's departure

In the section of "charlie sheen's departure" ,its written that there has been talks between producers and charlie to make charlie returning to the small screen but this has been rubbished by the producers and here is the proof http://www.imdb.com/news/ni9609549/

so please either remove it or add this new info! thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.230.52.57 (talk) 18:01, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Actually there have been talks of Sheen "returning to the small screen" and in fact it has been announced that he has signed on to star in a sitcom based on the movie Anger Management Rouse52794 (talk) 05:53, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

CSI crossover

I don't know if I'd really call it a crossover. Characters from each show appeared on the other, but after watching the two episodes, they are two totally separate plots. I think a crossover is usually defined as a storyline that starts on an episode of one series and ends on the other.206.74.105.155 (talk) 22:03, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Hey thanks for starting this, so now I don't have too! You are correct! It was a "writer exchange program" concept, not an actual crossover! "Joey" is/was a spin-off from "Friends", but their connections to other television series are all true crossovers. Oh, it doesn't have to be a storyline, it can just be the usage of the same characters or just one, or set in the same place. All of the "Knight Rider" series share the same universe continuity. The original spun-off "Dalton's Code of Vengeance". However, the 2008 revival crossed over with "Las Vegas" by visiting that show's hotel. "Las Vegas" got crossover linked to other series as well. Now as for "Two and a Half Men" itself, having "Dharma & Greg" appear would count as a true crossover! But behind-the-scenes shenanigans like having a writer exhange program don't count! LeoStarDragon1 (talk) 11:36, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 86.156.7.238, 5 June 2011

3 things first accept that charlie is gone and add seasons 1-8 to his name on the starring section, add Ashton Kutcher to the starring section and change the status from suspended to returning season.

86.156.7.238 (talk) 20:45, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

We can't do this until Kutcher is actually credited in an episode. pcuser42 (talk) 21:05, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Can the season be added already?

"Do not add years or seasons here until such time as there is confirmation from a reliable source that season 9 episodes will be aired."

CBS has now confirmed that there will be a season 9, and a premiere date (Sept 19, 2011) has already been officially announced by CBS. So couldn't someone now add to the article that Sheen starred in the series from season 1 to season 8? — Preceding unsigned comment added by FinWiki (talk • contribs) 22:12, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Concerning Ashton Kutcher's character on the show......

The only way that info about Kutcher's character on the show should be placed on the article is if it can be verified by a third-party source. Otherwise, it's just speculation, which isn't allowed on Wikipedia. 76.235.248.47 (talk) 03:26, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 58.173.43.50, 4 August 2011

Two and a half Men is aired every day in Australia.

Source: I watch it every day.

58.173.43.50 (talk) 07:29, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Under the syndication section it is already listed that it airs in Australia. Jnorton7558 (talk) 07:35, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Sheen vs Kutcher

This crap has to end! I edit this article to better fit the current season. Sheen is still present but I label him as a FORMER star! And he is still retained on the list of stars on the side bar; I just place him at the bottom. Please STOP re-editing this or I shall report it as vandalizm!