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Rebranding as Altaba?
It looks like Yahoo's leftovers after the Verizon sale will be called Altaba, but where will this lead this article to?
So far it hasn't been exactly clear what will happen to the 'Yahoo!' name and brand. I'm certain it will still exist but rather the question is, who will own it, Verizon or Altaba? I believe in both cases this article should stay as 'Yahoo!', but if Verizon owns the brand then a separate article for Altaba should be created. If Altaba will own it things should stay as they are, as we would be considering Altaba as simply the 'legal name' of the Yahoo! brand. --Pincerr (talk) 19:19, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
Requested move 10 May 2017
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The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Kostas20142 (talk) 08:46, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
Yahoo! → Yahoo – The exclamation mark, even though still used in the logo, is no longer used at all on the Yahoo website as part of the brand name (i.e. wherever Yahoo is mentioned on the website in typing, as well as in Yahoo Mail (previously Yahoo! Mail), Yahoo Groups (previously Yahoo! Groups), Yahoo Answers, etc. Mamdu (talk) 23:58, 9 May 2017 (UTC)--Relisting. -- Aunva6talk - contribs 18:23, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
- This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:45, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
- This has been discussed four times in the past. I won't comment on whether or not this move is valid or not, but if there has been a move discussion (no less four) in the past, then it is not going to be an uncontroversial move. SkyWarrior 01:50, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Mamdu and SkyWarrior: Queried move request Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:45, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose as it stands because the sub articles are titled "Yahoo! X": for example, Yahoo! Mail, Yahoo! Answers. A proper RM should list those articles, for WP:CONSISTENCY. The exclamation mark is still in the logo on the website, which is the most prominent use anyway. Laurdecl talk 09:45, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose per the previous RMs as well as per COMMONNAME - The Terms of service on their website indicate they still use the exclamation mark and as noted above sub articles are also using the exclamation mark. –Davey2010Talk 14:48, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose Also still used on Yahoo! Japan ( [1] ) which largely still has the early 2000s Yahoo! .com page layout. CaribDigita (talk) 23:04, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
- Note that Yahoo! Japan is a seperate company, although Yahoo! owns a minority stake. --Frmorrison (talk) 13:50, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
- Support That other articles on Wikipedia haven't updated is not a good enough reason not to update this one. Mamdu shouldn't have to file a separate move request if we can come to an agreement here that getting rid of the ! is necessary for this page. Updating to reflect the current reality trumps consistency across articles. That they use a ! in their logo is not sufficient cause to keep it as title. All that means is that the logo, not necessarily the name of the company, has a ! in it. That the terms of service say that "Yahoo" means Yahoo! EMEA Limited only tells us that they registered the company back when their branding was different. That one subsidiary keeps the ! does not mean we shouldn't update the parent company's page. —A L T E R C A R I ✍ 08:43, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose Even if the company made a press release that said the ! is removed from its name, the commonly known name is Yahoo!.--Frmorrison (talk) 13:50, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
- Support: The decorative punctuation mark has always been an annoyance, and such things are discouraged by Wikipedia MOS guidelines. Now that the company itself has dropped it, it should be very clear that the punctuation mark is not used consistently in the naming, and therefore that it should be removed from the article title. Mulligatawny (talk) 18:04, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
- followup: it's not a matter of how it feels, it's a matter of facts. This is an encyclopedia after all, and encyclopedias give facts, not feelings. The name of the website has changed to "Yahoo" wherever it's written on any of their websites, therefore we should reflect this change here, for factual purposes that's all. And same goes for any other article here that includes the Yahoo brand name, like Yahoo Groups, Yahoo Answers, Yahoo Mail, etc. As for Yahoo! Japan, it is indeed a separate company and their branding still has the exclamation point, so it should remain in their specific case (the "Yahoo! Japan" Wikipedia article). It's all about facts, that's all. Mamdu (talk) 23:06, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
- Mamdu, I don't think it's considered good form to make a bolded recommendation on a request you initiated. It may mislead if someone does not pay close attention to signatures. —A L T E R C A R I ✍ 04:01, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
- Altercari - I'm just following up. Not meaning to mislead. That's why I added my signature. Thanks for bringing it to my attention though. I removed the bolding. Mamdu (talk) 03:32, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
- Mamdu, I don't think it's considered good form to make a bolded recommendation on a request you initiated. It may mislead if someone does not pay close attention to signatures. —A L T E R C A R I ✍ 04:01, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose – Unless it can be established by secondary sources that this is the new WP:COMMONNAME, it should stay at its current name. Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 13:52, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
- Support Mere seconds of searching at the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Financial Times, Guardian and others show that the exclamation point is not used by reliable sources at this time. oknazevad (talk) 02:01, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose oh no, not this again. feminist 10:03, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
- Support (1) From Yahoo's own home page https://uk.yahoo.com/?p=us this footer: "By using Yahoo you agree that Yahoo and partners may use cookies for personalisation and other purposes." No screechmark. And of course none in the URL either. (2) From https://policies.yahoo.com/ie/en/yahoo/privacy/index.htm -- the first sentence: "Welcome to the Yahoo Privacy Centre--take a look around. You'll learn how Yahoo treats your personal information, as well as ways to control your preferences and settings. As always, Yahoo is committed to gaining your trust." No screechmark. (3) From Wikipedia Manual of Style, under Trademarks: "Avoid using special characters that are not pronounced, are included purely for decoration"; "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization practices, even if the trademark owner considers nonstandard formatting 'official'." Standard English text does not have exclamation mark in middle of a sentence. High time to stop having to shout every time this company is mentioned. JamesD'Alexander (talk) 16:56, 14 May 2017 (UTC)JamesD'Alexander
- Inregards to point 1, 2 and 3, Point 1: As far as I can see there is no footer on any Yahoo page (I'm simply getting endless scrolling on every Yahoo page), Browser URLs cannot physically contain exclamation marks (! is encoded as "%21" on browser URLs and no one is going to search for "yahoo%21.co.uk"])
- Point 2 - https://policies.yahoo.com/ie/en/yahoo/privacy/index.htm does mention the exclamation mark 3 times which I'll quote here: ""Yahoo” means Yahoo! EMEA Limited which operates within and is subject to Irish data protection law. However, if you are a Sky " and "Yahoo! EMEA Limited 5-7 Point Village North Wall Quay, Dublin 1 Ireland" (emphasis mine),
- Point 3 - We have many articles with the exclamation on the end (Shout! Shout! (Knock Yourself Out), Bomb the Music Industry!, Adults!!!: Smart!!! Shithammered!!! And Excited by Nothing!!!!!!!, Oklahoma! and Mamma Mia!),
- Thanks. –Davey2010Talk 20:49, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
- Strongly oppose From the latest 10-Q, Yahoo! Inc. is still the company's name in its corporate charter. Of course, we will have to have another discussion when the company changes its name to Altaba. UnitedStatesian (talk) 02:50, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
- There will be no need to rename for Altaba, Yahoo will continue to exist. Altaba will be a new company. Gusthes (talk) 11:03, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
- Support https://about.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Inc. is a legal name. The company may use a different trade name, and that's what Yahoo does now. Wikipedia is not a legal document, the title of the article should (when possible) reflect the business name of the companyand not the legal name. Commercially Yahoo no longer uses the exclamation. It is not possible to read the exclamation in any site of Yahoo, the exclamation only appears in legal documents. Gusthes (talk) 11:03, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME and Laurdecl's comments.LM2000 (talk) 08:32, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose per all of the above. Nickag989talk 17:08, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose for the reasons stated above. --Coolcaesar (talk) 05:58, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
- Support - Per WP:COMMONNAME. Most reliable sources do not include the exclamation mark. Meatsgains (talk) 00:20, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose per Davey2010. –Buffaboy talk 03:27, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose. The common name has not changed. Andrewa (talk) 01:30, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose for all the previous RMs. Brain (talk) 02:27, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose. Yahoo! is the right title for the article, noting that internal and external links to Yahoo will work just fine, noting that terminal punctuation is often stripped from urls. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:08, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
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Tense error:
Yahoo is not yet bankrupt. Please change all past tenses to present tenses until June 16 2017, which will be renamed Altaba.
Done Made edits to reflect Yahoo Inc's continued existence. Gfcvoice (talk) 02:16, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
Acquisition of some of Yahoo Inc's internet assets by Verizon
This article is about the company formerly known as Yahoo! Inc.
At about 11:42:06am on June 16, the company changed its name from Yahoo! Inc to Altaba Inc.
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1011006/000119312517205499/0001193125-17-205499-index.htm https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1011006/000119312517205499/d372379d8k.htm
The stock of the company is currently traded on the Nasdaq under the symbol YHOO
Source: https://finance.yahoo.com/quotes/yhoo/view/v1
On Monday June 19, the stock will change its symbol to AABA.
https://investor.yahoo.net/ http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20170613005941/en/Yahoo-Completes-Sale-Operating-Business-Company-Re-Named
Gfcvoice (talk) 18:57, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
- At present Yahoo is trading under "Yahoo" so at present all of these changes are more or less unsourced and IMHO unnecessary, Best wait until they change names and all that (if it happens!). –Davey2010Talk 19:55, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
- I disagree with most of what you have written. The company changed its name earlier today, as shown in the source provided above. Your claim that the changes I made are unsourced is incorrect - please refer to the sources above. You have not explained why the changes are "IMHO unnecessary". (What does "IMHO" mean?) The reason why the changes are "necessary" is that they provide a truthful depiction of the company, rather than the current incorrect statements. Gfcvoice (talk) 20:00, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
- @User:Gfcvoice IMHO = "In my humble opinion". YborCityJohn (talk) 20:03, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
- I disagree with most of what you have written. The company changed its name earlier today, as shown in the source provided above. Your claim that the changes I made are unsourced is incorrect - please refer to the sources above. You have not explained why the changes are "IMHO unnecessary". (What does "IMHO" mean?) The reason why the changes are "necessary" is that they provide a truthful depiction of the company, rather than the current incorrect statements. Gfcvoice (talk) 20:00, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
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