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==Remains released to family== |
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https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2022/08/03/move-bombing-remains-released-philadelphia-medicall-examiners-office/ |
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[[User:Geni|©Geni]] ([[User talk:Geni|talk]]) 18:31, 5 August 2022 (UTC) |
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== Context needed == |
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Context needs to be added. I read the source provided. This wasn't a precise targetting like is being implied. It wasn't an "incident" by dictionary standards. It was found to be unlawful later on this page. Unlawful violence is an attack [[Special:Contributions/2603:8001:A301:1A39:A174:96E6:3B52:29B|2603:8001:A301:1A39:A174:96E6:3B52:29B]] ([[User talk:2603:8001:A301:1A39:A174:96E6:3B52:29B|talk]]) 17:22, 27 December 2022 (UTC) |
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:[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1985_MOVE_bombing&diff=1129622911&oldid=1129166179&diffmode=source Your original edit] was not "adding context," it removed citations and introduced spelling errors. |
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:[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1985_MOVE_bombing&diff=next&oldid=1129650202&diffmode=source Your second edit was better], but just added more detail than was needed. |
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:Finally, you need to clarify what "context" you're trying to add. Saying it {{tq|wasn't a precise targetting}} and at the same time {{tq|[u]nlawful violence is an attack}} seems contradictory at first glance. |
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:If you just want to replace "incident" with "attack," I'm indifferent and would probably be fine with that. But you should clarify what changes you're wanting to make here, first. — <b>[[User:HandThatFeeds|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:DarkBlue;cursor:help">The Hand That Feeds You</span>]]:<sup>[[User talk:HandThatFeeds|Bite]]</sup></b> 18:15, 27 December 2022 (UTC) |
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First edit was a phone error deleting the citation. |
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== "1985 Cops from Hell Bombing." listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] == |
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[[File:Information.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] A discussion is taking place to address the redirect [[:1985 Cops from Hell Bombing.]]. The discussion will occur at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 21#1985 Cops from Hell Bombing.]] until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. <!-- from Template:RFDNote --> <span style="color:#D70270;background-color:white;">Sum</span><span style="color:#734F96;background-color:white;">mer</span><span style="color:#0038A8;background-color:white;">PhD</span><sup>[[User talk:SummerPhDv2.0|v2.0]]</sup> 04:31, 21 June 2020 (UTC) |
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"Saying it wasn't a precise targetting and at the same time [u]nlawful violence is an attack seems contradictory at first glance." |
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== Title == |
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The inprecise targetting was in regards to the "bunker like cubicle". It's impossible to precisely hit a target when manually dropping from a helicopter. That would require aiming technology which didn't occur. Giving the unlawful attack on a residential area validation. The bunker like cubicle, in my opinion, feels like too much detail when it can only be hearsay from the offending party; the Philadelphia Police. [[User:G88phila|G88phila]] ([[User talk:G88phila|talk]]) 01:20, 30 December 2022 (UTC) |
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This article is not about a bombing. This article is about an armed stand-off, a shoot out, the bombing, the fire, and the aftermath. |
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:{{tq|It's impossible to precisely hit a target when manually dropping from a helicopter.}} |
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I propose "1985 MOVE confrontation". Comments? - <span style="color:#D70270;background-color:white;">Sum</span><span style="color:#734F96;background-color:white;">mer</span><span style="color:#0038A8;background-color:white;">PhD</span><sup>[[User talk:SummerPhDv2.0|v2.0]]</sup> 04:43, 21 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:This is what we call [[WP:OR|original research]]. If you can find a source that says it was impossible to hit the target from a helicopter ''in this instance'', we can reflect that in the article. Otherwise, you're projecting your personal opinion into the Wikipedia article. — <b>[[User:HandThatFeeds|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:DarkBlue;cursor:help">The Hand That Feeds You</span>]]:<sup>[[User talk:HandThatFeeds|Bite]]</sup></b> 12:48, 30 December 2022 (UTC) |
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: It seems that the cited use of bombs is what changed the event from a standoff/confrontation into a bombing. <small>(not [[Help:Watchlist|watching]], please <code>{{tl|ping}}</code>)</small> <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 21:49, 21 June 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{u|G88phila}}, I made [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1985_MOVE_bombing&diff=1130621757&oldid=1129765884 a couple of changes] that I hope reasonably address your concerns while sticking to facts from the sources. [[User:Freoh|Freoh]] ([[User talk:Freoh|talk]]) 03:19, 31 December 2022 (UTC) |
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::The cited use of bombs ''added'' a bombing to the confrontation, otherwise, we would have separate articles for the armed stand-off, shoot out, bombing, and fire. This article is about all of those, not just the bombing. |
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©Geni (talk) 18:31, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Context needed
Context needs to be added. I read the source provided. This wasn't a precise targetting like is being implied. It wasn't an "incident" by dictionary standards. It was found to be unlawful later on this page. Unlawful violence is an attack 2603:8001:A301:1A39:A174:96E6:3B52:29B (talk) 17:22, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
- Your original edit was not "adding context," it removed citations and introduced spelling errors.
- Your second edit was better, but just added more detail than was needed.
- Finally, you need to clarify what "context" you're trying to add. Saying it
wasn't a precise targetting
and at the same time[u]nlawful violence is an attack
seems contradictory at first glance. - If you just want to replace "incident" with "attack," I'm indifferent and would probably be fine with that. But you should clarify what changes you're wanting to make here, first. — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 18:15, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
First edit was a phone error deleting the citation.
"Saying it wasn't a precise targetting and at the same time [u]nlawful violence is an attack seems contradictory at first glance."
The inprecise targetting was in regards to the "bunker like cubicle". It's impossible to precisely hit a target when manually dropping from a helicopter. That would require aiming technology which didn't occur. Giving the unlawful attack on a residential area validation. The bunker like cubicle, in my opinion, feels like too much detail when it can only be hearsay from the offending party; the Philadelphia Police. G88phila (talk) 01:20, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
It's impossible to precisely hit a target when manually dropping from a helicopter.
- This is what we call original research. If you can find a source that says it was impossible to hit the target from a helicopter in this instance, we can reflect that in the article. Otherwise, you're projecting your personal opinion into the Wikipedia article. — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 12:48, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
- G88phila, I made a couple of changes that I hope reasonably address your concerns while sticking to facts from the sources. Freoh (talk) 03:19, 31 December 2022 (UTC)