Talk:2024 Iran–Pakistan border skirmishes

Merge

The claim of Iran-Pakistan skirmishes does not meet the definition of skirmishes, there were only two missile attacks and not a ground conflict and should be merged into Insurgency in Balochistan.

Merge, It's difficult to determine notability when the event is so recent. It is noteworthy as an event that is caused by the insurgency, but it's hard to know the long-term impact of the event when it just happened. AlexandraAVX (talk) 11:12, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose, nations broke off high level relations and called back ambassadors. Both nations have bombed each other sovereign territory without the approval of the other. This isn’t just any other event that deserves a passing mention, this is an unprecedented turn of events that deserves its own unique page. VirtualVagabond (talk) 16:21, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose while of course related, I think the current events and the surrounding international situation is distinct enough to warrant its own article. Would also overwhelm the Balochistan article, especially if the other current merges are successful. Yeoutie (talk) 16:33, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

i think the event should be merged if the tensions escalte further. Suggestions should continue. Hamzaboi23 (talk) 18:01, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Merge somehow, there are currently three articles, one for the Iranian strikes into Pakistan, one the other way 'round, and this one (the title "skirmishes" is incorrect, as the other editor mentioned above). I don't think merging to Insurgency in Balochistan is on topic for that article. Abductive (reasoning) 21:21, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

i don't think it would be reasonable to put the current article into insurgency in balochistan since the Pakistani claims for hunting BLA are quite unclear. However, if the articles were to be merged i'd suggest the article of Operation Marg Bar Sarmachar and 2024 Iran-Pakistan skirmishes should be merged. Hamzaboi23 (talk) 15:14, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Foreign nationals

There were no Iranian nationals killed in the airstrikes conducted by Pakistan on Iranian soil according to Iran so please remove the "9 killed" figure in the casualties section of Iran. 182.181.237.103 (talk) 14:45, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

The BBC, AP etc. have reported 9 deaths in Iran, I've added a source to the infobox. AlexandraAVX (talk) 14:51, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

The BBC, AP etc have gained that information from Iranian authorities, who also say that it was "9 foreign nationals" not Iranians. 76.53.254.138 (talk) 21:16, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Foreign nationalities are still casualties of the missile strike killed on Irani soil so they should be listed, doesn’t make much of a difference whether they were Iranian citizens or not. 2605:B100:124:F5D:D74:5C42:FFE3:1510 (talk) 21:30, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Operation Marg Bar Sarmachar into 2024 Iran-Pakistan skirmishes

Seems like one article for this series of incidents would be better to prevent clutter. Not too much distinct notability in these separate articles anyway. TheDoodbly (talk) 15:00, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

No that operation itself needs to have a separate article. This article at best can be synthesis of events. DdBbCc22 (talk) 18:57, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose both merges. This article is synthesis and creates a false narrative of ongoing conflict. It's best that this article be deleted and other kept. Ecrusized (talk) 15:25, 18 January 2024 (UTC) Oppose For it to be considered a “skirmish”, there needs to be a military confrontation of some sort. However, that hasn’t happened. For the same reason, combining the two and presenting it as a skirmish would be synthesis, as what we have instead here is two countries targeting what they claim are their own citizens (and members of proscribed outfits) on each other’s territories. Mar4d (talk) 16:25, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Proposed merge of 2024 Iranian missile strikes in Pakistan into 2024 Iran–Pakistan border skirmishes

Event has developed into a back-and-forth conflict, so it'd be easier to group all of the information into one article. These breakoff articles also don't have as much notability to exist on their own. TheDoodbly (talk) 15:11, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per Ecrusized. Jebiguess (talk) 18:02, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose both merges per current condition. Both parties performed their airstrikes under the veil of anti-terrorism with the ostensible target being Baluchistan militants, and there's no declaration of war or aggression from neither party. Furthermore, even if theses airstrikes exist as independent articles, there is no reason to cite notability and appeal for removal of these articles. There are several articles of independent and military actions with little or no escalation afterwards, for example Operation Martyr Soleimani among others. Fallen Legends (talk) 18:32, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose. Both articles are now equally heavily weighted. Borgenland (talk) 13:25, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose both merges. This article is synthesis and creates a false narrative of ongoing conflict. It's best that this article be deleted and other kept. Ecrusized (talk) 15:25, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

@Ecrusized: Which details in this article are incorrect? Jarble (talk) 15:35, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Purportedly describing an ongoing conflict between Iran and Pakistan, while both sides did not officially attack each others armed forces but alleged terrorist groups located in their territory. Ecrusized (talk) 15:40, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

totally agreed with @Ecrusized. There are no 2024 Iran–Pakistan border skirmishes happening at the moment. The title and article is misleading and should be marked for deletion unless the situation changes. Sy.mehdi.riz (talk) 18:23, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Agreed with you DdBbCc22 (talk) 18:59, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

I agree Parham wiki (talk) 22:54, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Agree with deleting this article, and keeping the others. PhilKnight (talk) 22:56, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

should not be 2024 Iran–Pakistan-Syria-Iraq border skirmishes?31.221.182.128 (talk) 00:57, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

is Pakistan in conflict with Syria or Iraq? No. So it can't be called Iran–Pakistan-Syria-Iraq border skirmishes. Sy.mehdi.riz (talk) 09:59, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Support I endorse the merger with an alternative title, 2024 Iran–Pakistan air strikes, as both nations conducted air strikes within each other's territory. The current titles, 2024 Iran–Pakistan border skirmishes and 2024 Iranian missile strikes in Pakistan, are misleading or unsuitable, considering Pakistan's reciprocal response. I propose changing this article's title to 2024 Iran–Pakistan air strikes and consolidating the other one into it. 2024 Iran–Pakistan standoff could be another good alternative. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 04:58, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Airstrike is an inaccurate term. An airstrike, is an operation carried out by aircraft. Iran did not launch airstrikes, but missile attacks. Ecrusized (talk) 10:32, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Agreed with you here. The present events are not like traditional conflicts. I would recommend to let remain both pages as it is and Iran-Pakistan skirmishes page should be deleted. DdBbCc22 (talk) 11:51, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Then, we change it to 2024 Iran–Pakistan standoff. This title effectively encapsulates the current situation, encompassing skirmishes, air strikes, missile strikes, and more. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 15:12, 19 January 2024 (UTC)