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:*[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Great article, well-written, and interesting. Date, length, and refs are all okay. May I suggest another hook? The one above seems a little disconnected and is just over the limit. Also, how about adding the picture of Gould? [[User:Maedin|'''<font color="#4B0082">Mae</font><font color="#008080">din\</font>''']]<sup>[[User_talk:Maedin|talk]]</sup> 20:37, 4 January 2011 (UTC) |
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::*'''ALT1:''' ... that the award-winning novel ''[[Gould's Book of Fish]]'' is based on the life of English [[painting|painter]] '''[[William Buelow Gould]]''', [[Penal transportation|transported]] as a [[Convicts in Australia|convict]] to the penal colony [[Van Diemen's Land]] for stealing a coat? |
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Critical Foreign Dependencies Initiative
- ... that information on the Critical Foreign Dependencies Initiative list leaked by WikiLeaks was stated by some companies on the list to be "out of date and full of errors"?
Created by Wnt (talk). Nominated by Silver seren (talk) at 02:10, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: Wnt and I have worked really hard on expanding and referencing this article over the past few days and we're proud to bring it here now. SilverserenC 02:10, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
- Comment. As an administrator monitoring this article, I would point out that there continue to be active disputes about the sourcing of this article, which disputes have overflowed to multiple dispute noticeboards. Many of the disputes involve sourcing, and the article continues to contain a great deal of information that is either unsourced, or from questionable sources. Considering the active nature of the disputes, I do not think it would be wise for this article to be a DYK candidate at this time. --Elonka 04:42, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: I ask the reviewing DYK user to look over the article and determine themselves whether there is "unsourced information". The only information that is currently unsourced is from the factual list from the primary source (the factual list is also supported, however, by two secondary sources at the beginning line of the list, so it doesn't really matter). User:Elonka has been actively pursuing the removal of the primary source in the article (please see here), however, the primary source has nothing to do with the "unsourced sections" or whatever "questionable sources" that Elonka is referring to. And please note that all of the overflowing disputes, save the original one at ANI that isn't active anymore, since there haven't been any new responses for an entire day (see here), have been initiated by User:Elonka. Furthermore, the discussion at AN is currently about the use of links to classified documents on Wikipedia. An RfC will likely be drafted soon, but that has little to do with this article. If you would like the primary source to be removed from the article for the period that this DYK nomination is up, I am okay with that as well. SilverserenC 05:10, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
- P.S. The use of "as an administrator" is very unadministrator-like, since there is no current consensus for your opinion on classified document links, so please don't try and push your rank at DYK. You should be asking things as a user here. SilverserenC 05:10, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
- Another user has made a fairly good summation in terms of User:Elonka's above comment. You can find that user's summation on Elonka's talk page, here. SilverserenC 05:36, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
- Agreed, Elonka needs a {{trout}} for using that as ammunition for their POV; terrible behaviour. Most of the source arguments are just wiki-lawyering at this stage I think. The others have done extensive work sourcing the article. --Errant (chat!) 09:34, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
- The comment that "all of the overlowing disputes ... have been initiated by User:Elonka" is not accurate. For a complete list of where the sourcing issues are being discussed, see Wikipedia:AN#On linking to classified documents. --Elonka 14:46, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
- Agreed, Elonka needs a {{trout}} for using that as ammunition for their POV; terrible behaviour. Most of the source arguments are just wiki-lawyering at this stage I think. The others have done extensive work sourcing the article. --Errant (chat!) 09:34, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
- Another user has made a fairly good summation in terms of User:Elonka's above comment. You can find that user's summation on Elonka's talk page, here. SilverserenC 05:36, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
- P.S. The use of "as an administrator" is very unadministrator-like, since there is no current consensus for your opinion on classified document links, so please don't try and push your rank at DYK. You should be asking things as a user here. SilverserenC 05:10, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: I ask the reviewing DYK user to look over the article and determine themselves whether there is "unsourced information". The only information that is currently unsourced is from the factual list from the primary source (the factual list is also supported, however, by two secondary sources at the beginning line of the list, so it doesn't really matter). User:Elonka has been actively pursuing the removal of the primary source in the article (please see here), however, the primary source has nothing to do with the "unsourced sections" or whatever "questionable sources" that Elonka is referring to. And please note that all of the overflowing disputes, save the original one at ANI that isn't active anymore, since there haven't been any new responses for an entire day (see here), have been initiated by User:Elonka. Furthermore, the discussion at AN is currently about the use of links to classified documents on Wikipedia. An RfC will likely be drafted soon, but that has little to do with this article. If you would like the primary source to be removed from the article for the period that this DYK nomination is up, I am okay with that as well. SilverserenC 05:10, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
- Comment I wish to assure people that there is no unsourced information in the article. Some people believe that the full text of the "2008 Critical Foreign Dependencies Initiative (CFDI) list", a document prepared by the Department of Homeland Security in collaboration with other federal agencies, should be counted as a primary source. It is still a source. We cite it via original Wikileaked cable to the Secretary of State which included it, a Business Insider article which reprinted it in full (and two others more obscure), and a host of sources that Silverseren collected which list the items in one country or province. However, I disagree with Silverseren about any compromise involving removing the primary source while the DYK is up - it is the most definitive source. We should not make a new article worse while exposing it to new editors, nor accede to calls for censorship with no basis in law nor policy nor current practice. Wnt (talk) 15:50, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
- Wnt, this has nothing to do with censorship, it has to do with proper sourcing, and creating an article which reflects positively on the project. There have been strong concerns expressed by multiple editors about the sourcing on the article, as well as about the large amounts of "laundry list" information. Rather than continuing to argue that you are right and any dissenters are wrong, better would be to listen to the concerns, and modify the article accordingly in an attempt to find a compromise. --Elonka 16:11, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
- I've gone back and forth with you in several forums about whether a primary source is a source. I think WP:Primary is clear enough. Many articles like U.S. State Department list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations use a list based entirely on one single primary source, without demands that each and every organization on the list has to be cited to a newspaper. WP:Notability is applied to articles, not to each and every item on a list. Even so Silver seren heroically dug up reams of secondary sources -- and then the argument becomes that because a secondary source quotes a primary source the information is still primary anyway, which means it's not a source! Just not true. Wnt (talk) 18:09, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
- To be clear, I am not an editor of this article, and am simply trying to ensure that the article stays in accordance with Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Right now the article is attempting to reproduce, pretty much verbatim, a section from a leaked classified document. Concerns have been raised by other editors both as to whether it is appropriate to use that document as a source, and whether it is appropriate to include all of the information from that document on Wikipedia, especially considering that the classified document is the only source for some sections, and that those sections did not receive any coverage in reliable secondary sources. Discussions are ongoing at the talkpage, and a new Centralized RfC was just opened: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Use of classified documents. Because the sourcing of the article is in dispute, and because there are questions of legality of using the classified document, I think it would be extremely unwise to banner this article on the mainpage of Wikipedia in the DYK section until after the disputes are resolved. --Elonka 17:59, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
- Note that the most recent consideration of this issue at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Use of classified documents appears to be strongly supporting the legitimacy of the Wikileaks source, like many such discussions before it. Wnt (talk) 18:29, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
- Considering that the RfC was just launched a few hours ago, it's a bit premature to say that it's supporting one thing or another. I am also very concerned by this demeanor that you are using this article, and Wikipedia, to make some kind of political point.[1] Wikipedia is not a battleground, and DYK should not be used to promote controversial views. --Elonka 21:01, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
- That's a response to a different sort of conversation on my talk page, and expresses my hopes for publication of the article. I did not impose that point of view into the article. I believe every editor has a personal point of view, and should not feel afraid to admit it. Wnt (talk) 04:56, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
- Elonka, it's obvious to uninvolved bystanders that you are on a crusade to stop or limit the use of the Wikileak documents, and to limit their visibility in cases where you have failed to stop their use. Avoiding editing of the article does not make you uninvolved. The RfC so far strongly endorses use of the documents. You may act in what you feel is best for the encyclopaedia, but either your definition of "best" is not shared by the community, or we disagree on the impact of using these documents. Please stop spreading this discussion beyond the 25 fora it already is in, and in particular, please stop waving your adminship around like a magic wand in a content dispute. Admins have no special privileges with respect to content discussions. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 17:04, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps the best approach here will be to wait and see how the RFC turns out, as we do for AFDs. Gatoclass (talk) 12:09, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
- LOL does Elonka work for the CIA?♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:21, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
FWIW, I've verified the hook and think the article is good to go. It looks as if the RfC is pretty clearly going to decide using classified docs is ok and unless I'm mistaken, the article doesn't even directly reference any material from WL. Does anyone have any specific objections to this being promoted? SmartSE (talk) 17:29, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
- Anything that's got coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources is of course fine, but the unsourced elements should be removed, and there have been requests on the talkpage that some of the list parts would be better presented as prose. --Elonka 07:17, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
- Which parts are unsourced? The list is referenced off the Business Insider AFAICT and then has extra references for a lot of it as well. Maybe prose would be better, feel free to fix it, but this isn't GAN or FAC and it clearly meets all of our selection criteria. SmartSE (talk) 11:30, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
- Business Insider is a blog, and not a particularly solid source. As for fixing the article, editors have tried to remove unsourced and poorly sourced information, and they just get reverted. Warnings have been issued to the editors who were re-inserting unsourced information, but it's clear that the article is not yet in a stable state. Regarding the RfC, participation in it has been limited so far, with substantial participation by editors who are involved in the Wikileaks disputes, so I don't believe it would be wise to say that it yet reflects a broad community consensus. For example, look at this discussion at WP:ELN, where the general consensus among uninvolved editors seemed to be that the links to Wikileaks documents should be removed. As for why the RfC is so far saying something different than WP:ELN, I am guessing that this is because there are more involved than uninvolved editors participating, perhaps because many established editors are away for the holidays, so haven't had time to participate at the RfC yet. Ultimately, as regards the DYK question, there is no deadline, so I am in agreement with Gatoclass that the wisest course of action here might be to simply wait for the RfC to run its course. --Elonka 19:09, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
- Wasn't there a discussion at RSN which said that BI was ok to use though? You're saying there is unsourced material, but aren't pointing out what it is... can you please state what is unsourced so that something can be done? Your claim that it is unstable is false, there have been 7 edits to the article in the last week and regardless, rightly or wrongly, stability isn't a criterion for DYK. Regarding the ELN and the RFC - as I thought I made clear before, they are irrelevant to this article, as it does not contain any links to cables, only secondary sources which discuss them. WP:DEADLINE is about completing the project, when it comes to DYKs there is indeed a deadline, otherwise it wouldn't be right to say "From Wikipedia's newest articles:" (there are notable exceptions, but this doesn't seem to be a case to apply one to me). SmartSE (talk) 20:00, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
- The discussion at RSN about Business Insider was mostly between involved editors, and there weren't sufficient uninvolved voices to really point to a consensus either way. My own opinion that it is a blog comes from the fact that, as can be seen at the Business Insider article, it has won "best blog" awards. As for the unsourced elements, these are in the list section of the CFDI article: elements which have no sources, and there are even comments at the talkpage stating that secondary sources could not be located for those sections. If the unsourced and poorly sourced (meaning to challenged primary sources or dubious sources such as blogs) sections are removed, I think that would help to address concerns. --Elonka 06:06, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
- A "blog" is not inherently unreliable and there are criteria for determining reliability. The Business Insider is apparently notable, professionally operated and edited, and is quoted by other reliable news sources (such as The New York Times) leading me to believe that it's a sufficiently reliable source. This is not the place to dispute an RSN consensus just because you don't like it. - Dravecky (talk) 09:58, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
- Agreed, it's not as if it some random person's blog. We need to also consider whether it is an RS for what it is referencing anyway, rather than whether the whole site is an RS or not. When I do so, it is clearly an RS since it is copying a primary source, which officials have indirectly confirmed is real. As I'm now trying to explain for the third time, the whole list is referenced to BI (ref 21) and then there are extra references for many of them as well. It could be argued that the article is in fact a linkfarm since we could get away with most of them and only reference BI for the whole of the list. Removing sections like that about Japan would create a bias towards coverage in western media which is clearly not appropriate. As I still can't find any problems with the article and because the RfC is irrelevant to this article at present, I am boldly approving the article.
SmartSE (talk) 17:49, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
- Considering that you yourself are an involved editor in the Wikileaks topic area, Smartse, I do not think that you should really be the one making that decision. There are many agenda-driven editors in this topic area right now, there is an ongoing RfC, and edit wars at multiple articles. It is not appropriate for you to force one of the disputed articles onto the Wikipedia mainpage, over objections by other editors. --Elonka 18:29, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
- Agreed, it's not as if it some random person's blog. We need to also consider whether it is an RS for what it is referencing anyway, rather than whether the whole site is an RS or not. When I do so, it is clearly an RS since it is copying a primary source, which officials have indirectly confirmed is real. As I'm now trying to explain for the third time, the whole list is referenced to BI (ref 21) and then there are extra references for many of them as well. It could be argued that the article is in fact a linkfarm since we could get away with most of them and only reference BI for the whole of the list. Removing sections like that about Japan would create a bias towards coverage in western media which is clearly not appropriate. As I still can't find any problems with the article and because the RfC is irrelevant to this article at present, I am boldly approving the article.
- A "blog" is not inherently unreliable and there are criteria for determining reliability. The Business Insider is apparently notable, professionally operated and edited, and is quoted by other reliable news sources (such as The New York Times) leading me to believe that it's a sufficiently reliable source. This is not the place to dispute an RSN consensus just because you don't like it. - Dravecky (talk) 09:58, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
- The discussion at RSN about Business Insider was mostly between involved editors, and there weren't sufficient uninvolved voices to really point to a consensus either way. My own opinion that it is a blog comes from the fact that, as can be seen at the Business Insider article, it has won "best blog" awards. As for the unsourced elements, these are in the list section of the CFDI article: elements which have no sources, and there are even comments at the talkpage stating that secondary sources could not be located for those sections. If the unsourced and poorly sourced (meaning to challenged primary sources or dubious sources such as blogs) sections are removed, I think that would help to address concerns. --Elonka 06:06, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
- Wasn't there a discussion at RSN which said that BI was ok to use though? You're saying there is unsourced material, but aren't pointing out what it is... can you please state what is unsourced so that something can be done? Your claim that it is unstable is false, there have been 7 edits to the article in the last week and regardless, rightly or wrongly, stability isn't a criterion for DYK. Regarding the ELN and the RFC - as I thought I made clear before, they are irrelevant to this article, as it does not contain any links to cables, only secondary sources which discuss them. WP:DEADLINE is about completing the project, when it comes to DYKs there is indeed a deadline, otherwise it wouldn't be right to say "From Wikipedia's newest articles:" (there are notable exceptions, but this doesn't seem to be a case to apply one to me). SmartSE (talk) 20:00, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
- Business Insider is a blog, and not a particularly solid source. As for fixing the article, editors have tried to remove unsourced and poorly sourced information, and they just get reverted. Warnings have been issued to the editors who were re-inserting unsourced information, but it's clear that the article is not yet in a stable state. Regarding the RfC, participation in it has been limited so far, with substantial participation by editors who are involved in the Wikileaks disputes, so I don't believe it would be wise to say that it yet reflects a broad community consensus. For example, look at this discussion at WP:ELN, where the general consensus among uninvolved editors seemed to be that the links to Wikileaks documents should be removed. As for why the RfC is so far saying something different than WP:ELN, I am guessing that this is because there are more involved than uninvolved editors participating, perhaps because many established editors are away for the holidays, so haven't had time to participate at the RfC yet. Ultimately, as regards the DYK question, there is no deadline, so I am in agreement with Gatoclass that the wisest course of action here might be to simply wait for the RfC to run its course. --Elonka 19:09, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
- Which parts are unsourced? The list is referenced off the Business Insider AFAICT and then has extra references for a lot of it as well. Maybe prose would be better, feel free to fix it, but this isn't GAN or FAC and it clearly meets all of our selection criteria. SmartSE (talk) 11:30, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
I haven't forced anything anywhere, I've just indicated that there are no reasons why this shouldn't be displayed on the main page and it's up to others to move it to prep and then the main page. The fact that I've edited WL articles is irrelevant to my ability to review an article against DYK criteria and nearly all the edits I have made in the area have been general maintenance, rather than trying to push some POV as your comment insinuates. You appear to be the only editor who doesn't agree, but you don't seem to be able explain why, other than that you don't like the idea. SmartSE (talk) 20:59, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
- I have explained multiple times: (1) There are editors who disagree with the state of the article, but who get reverted when they try to change things; (2) There is an ongoing RfC; (3) The RfC has a great deal of participation from involved editors, but is not matching up with other discussions that occurred among uninvolved editors, such as at WP:ELN; (4) There appears to be decreased participation in the RfC right now because of the holidays; (5) I am not the only one who has suggested waiting (see above comment by Gatoclass); (6) There appears to be an attempt by some editors to use Wikipedia as a battleground to make a political point, by reproducing contents of classified documents here. It's one thing for there to be a dispute about this, it's another for something as controversial as leaked classified information, sourced only to primary sources, suddenly appearing on Wikipedia's mainpage in the DYK section. I am of the strong opinion that this would be extremely unwise, especially since there have been prior discussions strongly objecting to the use of classified documents as sources, the RfC is still ongoing, and the WMF has not yet weighed in on the issue of legality. So rather than pushing this article through to the mainpage over objections, let's please take our time and make sure we're getting things right. --Elonka 03:09, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
- There's a difference between "caution" and "stalling". Can we please come to a decision on this nomination? - Dravecky (talk) 03:42, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
- Given that there's an open RfC that directly relates to this, it seems reasonable to continue to wait, just as we would if there were an open AfD discussion. It certainly seems to me that the RfC is likely to be closed in a manner that will support us running this, but I see no reason not to continue to wait for the actual closing. cmadler (talk) 13:35, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
- Ah, since that RfC opened on December 14, in all likelihood it will close thirty days later on January 13, 2011, while most AFDs close in a mere 7 days. Could we at least have a carefully crafted hook ready to go on that distant day? - Dravecky (talk) 14:11, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
- I am in agreement that we should probably wait until after the RfC. However, there is another possible compromise: simply remove the information from the article that is in dispute, and then it would probably be fine to proceed to DYK. The issues, as I understand them, revolve not around the prose of the article, but the "laundry list" section that is reproducing the classified section verbatim, as well as the link in the External links section that directs to an IP which is supposedly mirroring the stolen classified document. If those were removed (the list and link), at least temporarily, I doubt there would be any objections to the article appearing on the Wikipedia mainpage. That way the DYK could proceed, and the RfC could proceed on its own. --Elonka 16:33, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
- Since those are whole sections, do you think it would work to just comment them out, even just for the time it's linked from the Main Page? If the problem can be solved so easily, it would be nice to go ahead and run this hook. cmadler (talk) 20:20, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
- Personally, I think that would be fine, but we should probably check with the editors at that article's talkpage (I am not one of the editors). So I'd say go ahead, and mention it at the talkpage. If no one objects in a reasonable amount of time, then we could proceed with the DYK. One of my concerns is that the commenting out might just result in another revert war, but it's worth a try! --Elonka 00:12, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- What section is in dispute? The only parts of the list that don't have references as of yet is Japan, some of China, and then one or two others here and there in the list. Everything else is referenced to reliable sources. I strongly object to commenting out the list just because of User Elonka's dislike of it, when so many other users have expressed both here and in the RFC that there isn't a problem with it. SilverserenC 02:02, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- They are referenced though aren't they - just to a secondary source Elonka says is unreliable, even though we can be fairly sure it is correct. I've noticed that the BBC linked directly to the cable using the same link that we have in the article at the moment. If such a strong source has done so, I don't really see why we shouldn't, they evidently consider it reliable as well, so we could use this as a primary source for the list (as was done before). I don't see how hiding the content that isn't liked for the time it is on DYK would help either - sure we should make sure that articles on the main page meet proper standards, but that means that the content either belongs in the article or doesn't, not that it is hidden for 6 hours when most people will read it. SmartSE (talk) 11:57, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- The BBC did not reproduce the cable verbatim. But that's not the point here, to re-debate the issue of whether the link is appropriate, that's something for the RfC and/or the WMF to figure out. For now, is it really worth prolonging the dispute and stalling the DYK over this? Why not simply comment out the sections that are in dispute, let the DYK proceed, and then see how the RfC turns out as to whether those sections should be re-included? --Elonka 20:12, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- So...we're going to comment out Japan and China? That seems a little weird. Though I suppose it must be done, since all of the other places have reliable sources in abundance and those two countries just didn't feel like making news reports on the subject. Their loss, I suppose. (Hint: This is sarcasm) SilverserenC 23:03, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not sure which sections Elonka means are disputed, there's certainly not been any discussion on the talk page as far as I can see. I've a feeling Elonka is suggesting we remove the entire list, but I'm really not sure. Seeming as after >2 weeks the RfC is pretty clearly supportive (or at least not against) of referencing classified material, could somebody who is totally uninvolved take a fresh look at this and promote if you think it is ok? (SS, have you thought about asking Japanese + Chinese WProjects to see if they can find news reports about the list?) SmartSE (talk) 20:00, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- No, but that's a good idea. I'll look into it. SilverserenC 21:19, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- The simplest solution would be to comment out the entire list and the external link, which would address concerns enough to let the article proceed to DYK. A more complex compromise, but also acceptable, would be to remove the sections of the list which are either unsourced or sourced to dubious sources (such as the Business Insider blog). The external link should also be removed or commented out. In fact, it's not even pointing to Wikileaks, but just a nameless IP mirror at this point. --Elonka 18:01, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- No, but that's a good idea. I'll look into it. SilverserenC 21:19, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- I'm not sure which sections Elonka means are disputed, there's certainly not been any discussion on the talk page as far as I can see. I've a feeling Elonka is suggesting we remove the entire list, but I'm really not sure. Seeming as after >2 weeks the RfC is pretty clearly supportive (or at least not against) of referencing classified material, could somebody who is totally uninvolved take a fresh look at this and promote if you think it is ok? (SS, have you thought about asking Japanese + Chinese WProjects to see if they can find news reports about the list?) SmartSE (talk) 20:00, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- So...we're going to comment out Japan and China? That seems a little weird. Though I suppose it must be done, since all of the other places have reliable sources in abundance and those two countries just didn't feel like making news reports on the subject. Their loss, I suppose. (Hint: This is sarcasm) SilverserenC 23:03, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- The BBC did not reproduce the cable verbatim. But that's not the point here, to re-debate the issue of whether the link is appropriate, that's something for the RfC and/or the WMF to figure out. For now, is it really worth prolonging the dispute and stalling the DYK over this? Why not simply comment out the sections that are in dispute, let the DYK proceed, and then see how the RfC turns out as to whether those sections should be re-included? --Elonka 20:12, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- They are referenced though aren't they - just to a secondary source Elonka says is unreliable, even though we can be fairly sure it is correct. I've noticed that the BBC linked directly to the cable using the same link that we have in the article at the moment. If such a strong source has done so, I don't really see why we shouldn't, they evidently consider it reliable as well, so we could use this as a primary source for the list (as was done before). I don't see how hiding the content that isn't liked for the time it is on DYK would help either - sure we should make sure that articles on the main page meet proper standards, but that means that the content either belongs in the article or doesn't, not that it is hidden for 6 hours when most people will read it. SmartSE (talk) 11:57, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- What section is in dispute? The only parts of the list that don't have references as of yet is Japan, some of China, and then one or two others here and there in the list. Everything else is referenced to reliable sources. I strongly object to commenting out the list just because of User Elonka's dislike of it, when so many other users have expressed both here and in the RFC that there isn't a problem with it. SilverserenC 02:02, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- Personally, I think that would be fine, but we should probably check with the editors at that article's talkpage (I am not one of the editors). So I'd say go ahead, and mention it at the talkpage. If no one objects in a reasonable amount of time, then we could proceed with the DYK. One of my concerns is that the commenting out might just result in another revert war, but it's worth a try! --Elonka 00:12, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- Since those are whole sections, do you think it would work to just comment them out, even just for the time it's linked from the Main Page? If the problem can be solved so easily, it would be nice to go ahead and run this hook. cmadler (talk) 20:20, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
- I am in agreement that we should probably wait until after the RfC. However, there is another possible compromise: simply remove the information from the article that is in dispute, and then it would probably be fine to proceed to DYK. The issues, as I understand them, revolve not around the prose of the article, but the "laundry list" section that is reproducing the classified section verbatim, as well as the link in the External links section that directs to an IP which is supposedly mirroring the stolen classified document. If those were removed (the list and link), at least temporarily, I doubt there would be any objections to the article appearing on the Wikipedia mainpage. That way the DYK could proceed, and the RfC could proceed on its own. --Elonka 16:33, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
- Ah, since that RfC opened on December 14, in all likelihood it will close thirty days later on January 13, 2011, while most AFDs close in a mere 7 days. Could we at least have a carefully crafted hook ready to go on that distant day? - Dravecky (talk) 14:11, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
- Given that there's an open RfC that directly relates to this, it seems reasonable to continue to wait, just as we would if there were an open AfD discussion. It certainly seems to me that the RfC is likely to be closed in a manner that will support us running this, but I see no reason not to continue to wait for the actual closing. cmadler (talk) 13:35, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
- There's a difference between "caution" and "stalling". Can we please come to a decision on this nomination? - Dravecky (talk) 03:42, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 17
Death of Aristotelis Goumas
- ... that the death of Aristotelis Goumas sparked outrage throughout the predominantly ethnic Greek region of Himarë?
Created by Athenean (talk). Self nom at 06:46, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
The article length and date both check out. However I have NPOV concerns about the hook; it is not really saying much, and uses the charged phrased "sparked outrage". It is difficult to gage "outrage" and while the reactions were rather fierce judging from the article, the phrase "sparked outrage" might be too strong, especially as the incident is relatively recent and the suspects have not yet been convicted. Intelligentsium 03:21, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
- "cause riots" instead? Athenean (talk) 02:17, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
- "in Albania" needs to be added! Johnbod (talk) 04:06, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
- That definitely, yes. It should be noted that the article is currently at WP:AFD, where, unfortunately, not arguments but the number of Greek or Albanian users that vote will decide its fate. I have NPOV concerns not only with the hook (it's overall tone and choice of words appears opinion-loaded to me), but also with the article itself. A particular problem is that mostly Greek sources have been used to reference important facts and only opinions from the Greek side seem to be represented in the Reactions section. Personally, I'd like to hear more opinions before we decide on the hook. — Toдor Boжinov — 16:14, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
- The hook "... that the death of Aristotelis Goumas caused riots throughout the predominantly ethnic Greek region of Himarë in Albania" is both perfectly factual and NPOV. It did cause riots, and that is very well documented by the sources. It is also very well documented (by non-Greek sources for that matter) that Himara is predominantly inhabited by ethnic Greeks. In addition, the article relies most heavily on the Balkan Chronicle, a non-Greek source so your "concerns" carry a whiff of bad faith at this point. This is all the more ironic considering you you yourself regularly use Bulgarian sources to push the "Bulgarian-ness" of various places outside Bulgaria [2]. Very disappointing, but then again not altogether unexpected. Athenean (talk) 01:46, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- @TodorBozhinov most of the sources used are from Greek newspapers that contain allegations that connect the event...with the declaration of independence of Kosovo. Alleged instances are presented as facts, although no police investigation has confirmed them.--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 08:04, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- Only one source does that, stop misinforming, and it's quite true that such incidents have increased since then (and sourced to a reliable source). Also, learn to indent your comments and speak when it's your turn. Athenean (talk) 08:28, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- That definitely, yes. It should be noted that the article is currently at WP:AFD, where, unfortunately, not arguments but the number of Greek or Albanian users that vote will decide its fate. I have NPOV concerns not only with the hook (it's overall tone and choice of words appears opinion-loaded to me), but also with the article itself. A particular problem is that mostly Greek sources have been used to reference important facts and only opinions from the Greek side seem to be represented in the Reactions section. Personally, I'd like to hear more opinions before we decide on the hook. — Toдor Boжinov — 16:14, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
- "in Albania" needs to be added! Johnbod (talk) 04:06, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
- (unindent)Regarding such an interethnic incident allegations by Greek newspapers that somehow Kosovo is related to this is pov, don't you think? As for the allegations presented as facts Balkan Chronicle, while all Greek newspapers assume that someone demanded from Guma not to speak Greek, Balkan Chronicle says reportedly. If police investigation hasn't confirmed such a thing, why does the article present it as a fact when media without a conflict of interest say reportedly?--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 08:53, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- This article is about a murder, but the defense version is not provided at all in it. Only the prosecutors' side is taken into account in the article. The prosecutor's side says that Gumas was told not to speak in Greek, the defense and the accused are holding a completely different version, which is not represented in the article. Albanian sources are not brought at all in the article... Mosmirenjohje (talk) 16:46, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- The AfD has closed as keep. - Dravecky (talk) 09:10, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Length and dates are OK. However, I am not convinced that the sourcing for the article (at least what I can read in English) supports the wording "sparked outrage" or "caused riots". I think that the following ALT hook can be supported:
- ALT2 ... that the death of Aristotelis Goumas led to public demonstrations in the predominantly ethnic Greek region of Himarë in Albania? --Orlady (talk) 19:48, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 20
Helixanthera schizocalyx
- ... that the hairless half-meter parasite Helixanthera schizocalyx was discovered by lepidopterist Colin Congdon on the lookout for loranths near the summit of Mozambique's Mount Mabu?
Created by Medeis (talk), JuneGloom07 (talk). Self nom at 00:51, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Note: Currently under nomination at Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates#New species of Mistletoe The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 04:37, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
- That nomination was made by an editor who mentioned the discovery from a press release but took no action toward creating an article. I created this article and am entitled to nominate it for DYK.μηδείς (talk) 06:19, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
- In any case, it seems highly unlikely the ITN nom will succeed. Circéus (talk) 01:19, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
- That nomination was made by an editor who mentioned the discovery from a press release but took no action toward creating an article. I created this article and am entitled to nominate it for DYK.μηδείς (talk) 06:19, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
- Said nomination failed and was archived.μηδείς (talk) 22:17, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
It is not clear to me from the source that Congdon was specifically looking for mistletoe on Mount Mabu; it rather appears that he was part of a general biodiversity exploration expedition and that he recognized the shrub as new because he knows much about loranth plants. I also edited the hook to make clear what kind of parasite it is. Ucucha 12:59, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
I understand your good faith desire to correct the hook by adding the word "shrub", but it is fully accurate as written and was purposefully worded to increase curiosity in the reader. As for Congdon looking for mistletoes, the source says "Colin Congdon, a renowned East African butterfly specialist, who realised it was different from anything he had seen on mountains in Malawi and Tanzania. Lepidopterists pay particular attention to members of the Loranthaceae family as many species are specific hosts for a group of interesting butterflies." I am changing the word mistletoe to loranths to reflect that. μηδείς (talk) 22:07, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
- I read that, of course; it does not explicitly say he was looking for any plants there. Why not just remove the part "on the lookout for loranths" from the hook, which does not add anything? Ucucha 11:18, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks. The hook does not quite say that he was only searching for loranths, but merely that he was paying attention to their presence. The second sentence, "Lepidopterists pay particular attention to members of the Loranthaceae family as many species are specific hosts for a group of interesting butterflies" makes no sense if not to imply he was paying particular attention, and "on the lookout for" is a much more natural way for a native English speaker to express this than "paying attention for," which sounds stilted. I would not at all oppose a different formulation from "on the lookout for" but I see no reason to delete the phrase, especially the reference to loranths which is very hooky. I'd like to hear other suggestions and opinions. I am travelling for the next 12 hours. I'll try to look for a synonym myself and post it later.μηδείς (talk) 16:34, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
- "Alert to the presence of loranths" strikes me as good - I'll think on it.μηδείς (talk) 16:37, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
- Why is the phrase hooky? "Loranth" will just be a meaningless term to most readers, I would think. I don't have a problem with "alert to the presence of loranths", but don't see why we can't cut the phrase completely. Ucucha 18:44, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
- Speaking as a completely unrelated and non-knowledgable bystander, the mention of loranths makes the hook sound awkward, confusing and cumbersome, not more exciting or interesting. The hook is interesting enough without it. Proposing Alt 2 below. --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 06:04, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Alt 2... that the hairless half-meter parasite Helixanthera schizocalyx was discovered by lepidopterist Colin Congdon near the summit of Mozambique's Mount Mabu?
- Speaking as a completely unrelated and non-knowledgable bystander, the mention of loranths makes the hook sound awkward, confusing and cumbersome, not more exciting or interesting. The hook is interesting enough without it. Proposing Alt 2 below. --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 06:04, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Why is the phrase hooky? "Loranth" will just be a meaningless term to most readers, I would think. I don't have a problem with "alert to the presence of loranths", but don't see why we can't cut the phrase completely. Ucucha 18:44, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
- "Alert to the presence of loranths" strikes me as good - I'll think on it.μηδείς (talk) 16:37, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks. The hook does not quite say that he was only searching for loranths, but merely that he was paying attention to their presence. The second sentence, "Lepidopterists pay particular attention to members of the Loranthaceae family as many species are specific hosts for a group of interesting butterflies" makes no sense if not to imply he was paying particular attention, and "on the lookout for" is a much more natural way for a native English speaker to express this than "paying attention for," which sounds stilted. I would not at all oppose a different formulation from "on the lookout for" but I see no reason to delete the phrase, especially the reference to loranths which is very hooky. I'd like to hear other suggestions and opinions. I am travelling for the next 12 hours. I'll try to look for a synonym myself and post it later.μηδείς (talk) 16:34, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
The point of the hook is to arouse curiosity in the reader ("...catchy, and likely to draw the readers in to wanting to read the article. An interesting hook is more likely to draw in a variety of readers...") which is done here by maintaining suspense (what kind of parasite?) and using the exotic sounding "loranth". As written it evokes notions of Alien and Dr Seuss.
I do still prefer the original hook, which is indeed accurate and flows better.
But I find the following hook acceptable, and more concise. μηδείς (talk) 22:36, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- Alt 1... that the hairless half-meter parasite Helixanthera schizocalyx was discovered by lepidopterist Colin Congdon, alert for loranths near the summit of Mozambique's Mount Mabu?
I will accept ALT 2 μηδείς (talk) 21:46, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 21
Lewis Strong Clarke
- ... that Lewis Strong Clarke established his innovative sugar plantation Lagonda in St. Mary Parish, Louisiana, and named it for a creek in Ohio?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 05:20, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
Length, date, and hook are good, and the hook is supported by citation #1, which is what I'd call a reliable source. However, multiple segments of the article are unreferenced, and (more seriously) the sections based on citation #1 are very close to that source, which isn't PD. Even if the unreferenced segments are cited, I must oppose this article's appearance at DYK unless the citation #1-based parts are rewritten to avoid an excessively close paraphrase. Nyttend (talk) 16:34, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
- Text rewritten and rearranged. Billy Hathorn (talk) 20:59, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
Larry Detwiler
- ... that after film work as a miniature effects and visual effects supervisor, Larry Detwiler progressed to serve as television director on the program CSI: Miami?
Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 20:22, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
- Note: I reviewed entry O. E. Price under 12 December. -- Cirt (talk) 20:28, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Article is currently at 1528 prose; however, over 200 characters of it is quoted text, bringing it under the minimum required, Also, the hook is stated in the header, but not within the body of the article and is not yet cited Calmer Waters 05:43, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 24
The Stars Shine (film)
- ... that the 1938 German musical The Stars Shine was a Busby Berkely-style film intended to promote The Third Reich?
Created by MichaelQSchmidt (talk). Self nom at 00:06, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
The hook as a whole is not cited in the article; rather, segments of the hook are cited and scattered in different sections of the article. Not as clearly stated as it preferably could be. The problem is, the references aren't all accessable online. I'll accept good faith on those, tho :) What I propose to easily resolve this is; include the hook as part of the article lead, with all citations required to support the entire statement. Rcej (Robert) - talk 07:15, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
I'm not bothered by the fact that the hook is based on the entire article, rather than a particular sentence in the article. I am, however, bothered by the fact that sourcing for the entire article seems to be very thin. Most of the sources are accessible online, and from examining the sources it appears to me that the article creator had to work very hard to assemble this interesting article from the snippets of information in the sources. The article is an impressive creation, but I have to wonder whether the creator either (1) had a source that isn't cited here or (2) had to do some original synthesis. I'd like to hear the back story before sending this hook to the main page.
I did find one potentially useful online source that isn't cited in the article -- http://books.google.com/books?id=4SMM3dcHbwYC (search on the film name). Also, many of the sources emphasize the role of the Ufa film company in this film and in Nazi cinema in general, so I'm surprised not to see the company mentioned in the article. --Orlady (talk) 17:29, 4 January 2011 (UTC)- Ooooo... I like to source you found. Let me check it out and come back with an ALT hook. Thanks. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 20:10, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 25
- ... that the investigation into the murder of Joanna Yeates was dubbed "Operation Braid" by the Bristol police?
Created by BabbaQ (talk), Pontificalibus (talk), KimChee (talk). Self nom at 14:40, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
First of all, the article actually redirects to "Murder of Joanna Yeates". Second, there is an AfD banner. Third, the credits are wrong; it appears that this article was created by BabbaQ with significant contributions from KimChee. - PM800 (talk) 22:20, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- It still goes to the right article anyway that has been fixed now, the Afd will soon be closed as keep and the third objection is only a formality that I have fixed also.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:32, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- I appreciate the nod from PM800, but Pontificalibus should also be credited. I concur the article is likely to survive AfD at this point. KimChee (talk) 12:07, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah, I hope you understand that I nominated the article like I did in good faith KimChee. But good change so we are both credited, also agree with the Pontificalibus comment;). --BabbaQ (talk) 20:39, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- It looks as if the AfD will close with the article being kept, can we think of a more interesting hook though? "Operation Braid" isn't a particularly interesting name. SmartSE (talk) 12:08, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that the inquiry into the murder of Joanna Yeates, dubbed "Operation Braid", has become one of the largest police investigations in Bristol, England? KimChee (talk) 21:31, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- It looks as if the AfD will close with the article being kept, can we think of a more interesting hook though? "Operation Braid" isn't a particularly interesting name. SmartSE (talk) 12:08, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Perry Mason syndrome
- ... that in the United States some defendants chose to appear pro se because of the Perry Mason syndrome?
Created by Cryptic C62 (talk). Self nom at 04:40, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
- May not be the most exciting hook in the world, so feel free to tweak it or suggest new ones as you see fit. I reviewed the Thomas Spreiter / Inkamana Abbey nomination. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 22:58, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
Not long enough yet. Daniel Case (talk) 06:18, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
Article is currently 1654 characters of readable prose. - Dravecky (talk) 07:30, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
Length, date, and hook ref okay. Added "in the United States" to the hook as this phenomenon seems to be restricted to that country. --Pgallert (talk) 13:50, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
- OK, I was going by the byte count ... didn't realize we'd changed that rule. If so, then how about a better hook:
- ... that a juror, possibly influenced by Perry Mason, once told a lawyer he had refused to acquit his client because his cross-examination of another witness had not led that witness to confess to the crime? Daniel Case (talk) 22:46, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
- A good article but a little on the short side. Maybe consider widening the scope of the article like the Background section at CSI effect and relating it to other similar media-related phenomena. Also, the second hook (by User:Daniel Case) is a little catchier. — AjaxSmack 19:12, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- I appreciate the feedback, Ajax. I may continue to expand PMS (lol) once the FAC for CSI effect is done. If ya'll would prefer to use Daniel's hook, then that's fine by me. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 03:55, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Vale of Avoca
- ... that The Vale of Avoca bridge was opened in 1924, replacing an iron bridge built in 1888 (both pictured)?
Created by Floydian (talk). Self nom at 02:54, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
This is long enough and expanded enough, but the hook is not cited, except by a footnote which asserts only part of the hook, and there are no actual citations in the article at all. For DYK it needs to be fully cited – viz., at least one citation per paragraph. Moonraker2 (talk) 03:05, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
- This would mean using the same reference for each paragraph, which is the reference at the bottom, in the bibliography section. This article is fully cited to a reliable secondary source published by the Deer Park Library; it just lacks inline citations. If I were to use them, it would be the same ref three times. I was instead waiting until I retreived more reliable sources since there is only clutter to be gained when using a single source. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 03:19, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
- No, what is given there is single title, without other information, such as the name of the author, date of publication, or page number. That isn't a citation, it's a title, and hooks need to be verifiable. Please see Wikipedia:Did you know. Moonraker2 (talk) 03:44, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
- The information given is all that is necessary. There is no given author or publisher, so the Library defaults as the publisher of that information (it is given). The location of the item is given (local history reference), and the fonds in which it is contained (bridges). It is a single sheet, printed front and back; there are no page numbers, no author, no date, and nothing else besides a title and two pages of text. I'd be happy to scan the item in full and publish that in my own webspace. As it is, however, this is referenced to a secondary source created by a government archive. We do not have a citation template to appropriately display such a reference to the best of my knowledge. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 04:15, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
- I also noted your edit summary "Unfortunately the paper lacks a proper publisher; most likely a Deer Park Historical Society, if it exists". See Secondary source. Moonraker2 (talk) 04:33, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
- I also notice you continue to ignore everything I am writing and drawing your own baseless conclusions. This is a paper made available in the local history archives of a very well-established and reputable public library system. I am well aware of wikipedia policies on verifiability and reliable sourcing to secondary sources. The point is, what should I do about a situation which A) does not warrant using an inline citation, as the whole article is sourced to one place, and B) is provided by a type of source that has generally been overlooked on wikipedia (secondary sources created by archivists and historians that are stored in a government archives or library reference section), and thus is difficult to present using our citation templates? - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 05:06, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
- Please don't shoot the messenger. A single sheet of paper which lacks author, date, publisher, and any sign of having been peer reviewed, won't stand up as the only source for a new article offered to DYK for the Main Page. I think it would be better for others to carry on this discussion. Moonraker2 (talk) 03:21, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
- In my opinion, being in the local archives = Peer reviewed and verified as fact. This is far more reliable than a published book where the publisher and editor have no way of verifying the historical accuracy of the authors text. This a government run insistution. I will try to uncover at least one author and perhaps a second secondary source, but the publisher is the public library branch. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 18:46, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
- Having placed materials into local archives, I can assure you that it can not be considered peer reviewed or verified. It's certainly possible that was done in this case, but I would definitely not make such an assumption without some information from and about the library in question. cmadler (talk) 20:56, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
- In my opinion, being in the local archives = Peer reviewed and verified as fact. This is far more reliable than a published book where the publisher and editor have no way of verifying the historical accuracy of the authors text. This a government run insistution. I will try to uncover at least one author and perhaps a second secondary source, but the publisher is the public library branch. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 18:46, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
- Please don't shoot the messenger. A single sheet of paper which lacks author, date, publisher, and any sign of having been peer reviewed, won't stand up as the only source for a new article offered to DYK for the Main Page. I think it would be better for others to carry on this discussion. Moonraker2 (talk) 03:21, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
- I also notice you continue to ignore everything I am writing and drawing your own baseless conclusions. This is a paper made available in the local history archives of a very well-established and reputable public library system. I am well aware of wikipedia policies on verifiability and reliable sourcing to secondary sources. The point is, what should I do about a situation which A) does not warrant using an inline citation, as the whole article is sourced to one place, and B) is provided by a type of source that has generally been overlooked on wikipedia (secondary sources created by archivists and historians that are stored in a government archives or library reference section), and thus is difficult to present using our citation templates? - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 05:06, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
- I also noted your edit summary "Unfortunately the paper lacks a proper publisher; most likely a Deer Park Historical Society, if it exists". See Secondary source. Moonraker2 (talk) 04:33, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
- The information given is all that is necessary. There is no given author or publisher, so the Library defaults as the publisher of that information (it is given). The location of the item is given (local history reference), and the fonds in which it is contained (bridges). It is a single sheet, printed front and back; there are no page numbers, no author, no date, and nothing else besides a title and two pages of text. I'd be happy to scan the item in full and publish that in my own webspace. As it is, however, this is referenced to a secondary source created by a government archive. We do not have a citation template to appropriately display such a reference to the best of my knowledge. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 04:15, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
I added a few new sources, including one from Lost Rivers Toronto (a website of the Toronto Field Naturalists) and from an article out of the Deer Park Newsletter. These two sources back up all of the facts in the hook. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 19:45, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 26
James E. Dalton
- ... that James E. Dalton was a director of the Air Reserve Personnel Center?
Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 00:42, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
Article is copied from http://www.af.mil/information/bios/bio.asp?bioID=5150. This issue is currently being discussed here. - PM800 (talk) 00:54, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- Article is "cited" almost entirely (11 of 12 cites) to the article of which it is a close paraphrase. - Dravecky (talk) 06:46, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
Albert Estopinal
- ... that Kenilworth, the sugar plantation of U.S. Rep. Albert Estopinal in St. Bernard Parish, Louisiana, was originally a Spanish fort?
5x expanded by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 05:25, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
Article currently at 6065 characters prose; however, before expansion, the article had 1318 characters (requiring a minimum of 6590 for 5x). Some additional expansion needed. Calmer Waters 21:54, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
- I expanded from 3,157 bytes to more than 16,000 bytes. I don't know how to measure "characters." This is 5+ expansion. Billy Hathorn (talk) 20:55, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- Article is currently at 6300 characters of readable prose. Since 5x expansion refers only to readable prose, not a simple byte count, this article will need to be at least 6590 characters of readable prose to pass. It's close now, only 290 characters short, so a small amount of additional text will get it across the line. - Dravecky (talk) 05:26, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
- Expanded again, 1/1/11 Billy Hathorn (talk) 03:55, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Cedar Creek, Utah
- ... that farmers in Cedar Creek, Utah often went to the schoolmarm for farming advice?
Created by The Utahraptor (talk). Self nom at 19:57, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
This article gets to 1500 characters only because it repeats everything in the relatively long introduction. The hook is not cited, and anyways it is very subjective. - PM800 (talk) 18:39, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
- Isn't the lead supposed to introduce the article? The UtahraptorTalk/Contribs 18:49, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
- I will work on expanding and copy editing this article later today. The UtahraptorTalk/Contribs 18:53, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
- The lead is indeed supposed to introduce the article, but in this case it was nearly one-third of the whole thing, which is a little much. - PM800 (talk) 19:04, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
- I've trimmed the lead a bit. Let me know if anything else should be done to the lead. I'll work on expanding the article once I make a trip to the library. The UtahraptorTalk/Contribs 19:10, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
The article is still not quite long enough and still contains some sketchy sentences about a schoolmarm assigning homework and giving advice to farmers. - PM800 (talk) 15:16, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Neft Daşları
- ... that one of the scenes in the James Bond film The World Is Not Enough was filmed in settlement of the Oil Rocks (pictured) in Azerbaijan?
5x expanded by NovaSkola (talk). Self nom at 11:55, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
- This page has been moved from Oil Rocks to Neft Daşları. —Bruce1eetalk 08:55, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
The prose has only been expanded 2.3x in the last 5 days (3327/1424). —Bruce1eetalk 08:58, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
John W. Pauly
- ... that former General John W. Pauly was once an assistant executive officer to General Curtis E. LeMay, then the Chief of Staff of the United States Air Force?
Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 05:06, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
Entire article is uncited. 97198 (talk) 07:13, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
According to WP:Did you know#Selection criteria, "Try to pick articles that are original to Wikipedia (not inclusions of free data sources)". Article is a very close paraphrase of http://www.af.mil/information/bios/bio.asp?bioID=6708 - Dravecky (talk) 23:43, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
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- Article is "cited" almost entirely (14 of 15 cites) to the article of which it is a close paraphrase. - Dravecky (talk) 06:58, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 27
Daniel Balsam
- ... that Daniel Balsam became enraged after he received unsolicited e-mails offering him breast enlargement products?
Created by Qrsdogg (talk). Self nom at 01:15, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- I understand the purpose of the hook is to draw the reader into the article, however, I think it should be altered to offer a little bit more information on what he decided to do after receiving spam. Location (talk) 07:23, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
I agree with user:Location. More info is needed in the hook. Also, most of the information in the hook is not found anywhere in the article. Megan|talkcontribs 11:40, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- The breast enlargement info was removed by an IP who may well be the subject (see Wikipedia:COIN#dan_balsam) after Qrsdogg posted here. I suggest a hook like:
- ... that Daniel Balsam quit his previous job to become a lawyer who sues companies that send unsolicited e-mails?
- The article needs to be gone over with a fine toothcomb before being promoted though to ensure everything is cited per BLP as the IP added seemingly unverifiable information as well. SmartSE (talk) 12:16, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- The breast enlargement info was removed by an IP who may well be the subject (see Wikipedia:COIN#dan_balsam) after Qrsdogg posted here. I suggest a hook like:
France–Monaco relations
Created by Lihaas (talk). Self nom at 21:00, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
. Nice article. Length, date, references and hook works out. However, the passage "The unrest continued until the ruling prince gave up his claim to the two towns (some 95% of the country), and they were ceded to France in return for four million francs." is unsourced, and for DYK all passages needs to have at least one reference. --Soman (talk) 15:42, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- thats a copy+paste from the requisite wikipedia articles. but it can be removed if need be.(Lihaas (talk) 21:42, 1 January 2011 (UTC)).
Agragami Adivasi Samiti
- ... that Indian Maoist guerrillas killed seven prominent local members of Agragami Adivasi Samiti in Purulia District in December 2010?
Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 20:24, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
- Wow, 2 bengal articles on the same day ;)
- Anyhoo, think the article needs an expansion for it to be DYK eligible. im rather new here, but someone told me over 1000 words.(Lihaas (talk) 20:54, 27 December 2010 (UTC)).
- The DYK rules (WP:DYK) says "Articles must have a minimum of 1,500 characters of prose". --Soman (talk) 08:03, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
- Ah, okay, confused characters for words. Now, my nom should be good too;)Lihaas (talk) 20:54, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
- The DYK rules (WP:DYK) says "Articles must have a minimum of 1,500 characters of prose". --Soman (talk) 08:03, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Length, date verified. One of the hook's two refs is already a deadlink but the other is a reliable source. The hook isn't too exciting but I can't think of a better one myself (I tried to figure out a way to incorporate Ol Chiki script somehow.) The history section could benefit from another source, too. — AjaxSmack 19:36, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- Is there a hook that is not as "ITN-ish"? --PFHLai (talk) 08:41, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
West Bengal legislative assembly election, 2011
- ... that the West Bengal election follows violent agitation in Nandigram and Singur?
Created by Lihaas (talk). Self nom at 18:12, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
- Obiviously not ready yet, will be after the election in a few months, so can we move it to the alternative later date? It will also then go for a further expansion over time.Lihaas (talk).18:12, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
- This is rarely done. If you want to prepare an article then use a sandbox (I can explain how). I think this has missed its chance Victuallers (talk) 15:25, 4 January 2011 (UTC) .... no - leave it as it is and then expand it by 5 times when the election is complete? Victuallers (talk) 15:27, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
George Huscher
- ... that on this date in 1912, that Utah swore into office, its first and to date only Socialist, George Huscher, mayor of Murray, Utah?
5x expanded by Stundra (talk), Ser Amantio di Nicolao (talk). Self nom at 02:42, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
Article length is only ~1,100 characters. I also assume "this date" refers to January 1, but that date isn't even in the main text of the article and is still missing a citation in the infobox. 97198 (talk) 07:18, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
- Unless otherwise specified, most mayors in the United States take the oath of office on January 1, the date intended for publication. However, citation can be found in one of the references. User:Stundra (talk) 10:20, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 28
Grant McCune
- ... that after getting his start in Hollywood creating a model of the great white shark in Jaws, special effects artist Grant McCune designed R2-D2 as chief modelmaker for the Star Wars films?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 01:47, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- ALT... that the works of special effects artist Grant McCune include the great white shark in Jaws, as well as R2-D2 (pictured) and the various robots in the Star Wars films? --PFHLai (talk) 03:16, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Picture has to be in article Victuallers (talk) 10:48, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
First paragraph (the mention of R2-D2) is not cited. Otherwise OK. I will suggest fixes on the talk page. The picture does not seem under fair use restrictions, so might as well add to the article.
- ALT 2... that Grant McCune designed special effects ranging from the great white shark in Jaws to the R2-D2 robot (pictured) in the Star Wars films?
minor issues taken care of, good to go. W Nowicki (talk) 18:12, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Viktor Kalashnikov and Marina Kalashnikov
- ... that Russian journalists Viktor and Marina Kalashnikova claim to have been poisoned because of their political writings?
Created by Malick78 (talk). Self nom at 21:44, 2 January 2011 (GMT)
- I'm about to review somebody else's article as per the requirement... Malick78 (talk) 21:49, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Marina's page needs at least 140 characters more to qualify. --PFHLai (talk) 03:51, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Eugene K. Garfield
- ... that Eugene K. Garfield created the Auto-Train service to carry riders and their vehicles between Virginia and Florida, that included a personal Pullman car with private bedrooms and a dining room?
5x expanded by Acdavidson6 (talk), Diiscool (talk). Self nom at 18:52, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Date and length are good, and (although I didn't check it) probably the hook as well; however, I'm concerned about the extensive use of this source — I can't see why the South Florida Astrological Association is a reliable source. Nyttend (talk) 13:06, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- I do not think SFAA is a reliable source either. Almost everything that is cited using SFAA as a source can probably be found in the NYTimes article as well, I just didn't have the time to comb through and change the refs.—Diiscool (talk) 14:34, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Everything mentioned in the SFAA link has been sourced to the obituary from The New York Times. Alansohn (talk) 02:21, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
5x expansion and hook-fact source check out OK (this is a 5x expansion from the article that existed for the last 3 years, although it was longer for a few weeks in 2007). However, a few paragraphs in the article still need inline citations. Also, hook wording is awkward; I suggest the following ALT:
- ALT1... that Eugene K. Garfield used a personal Pullman car when he rode the Auto-Train service he started to carry people and their vehicles between Virginia and Florida? --Orlady (talk) 15:18, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Vincent Kosuga
- ... that after Vincent Kosuga cornered the onion futures market, onion farmers cried foul?
Created by Qrsdogg (talk). Self nom at 14:56, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Article length and creation date is fine and seems well structured, generally well written. AGF on usage of offline refs (entire article is cited offline). Some clarifications I would suggest prior to adding to DYK.
(i) No date of birth/death is given, making the timeframe of his life unclear (dates are given later for manipulation of the market, but I still can't place what stage of life he was at - some dates of when he was doing what throughout the article would be nice).
(ii) The article says he "manipulat(ed) the onion futures market" which is explained to a degree, but it's never clear whether this was the entire American market or just the Chicago market, and if just Chicago, why this then led to Federal action.
(iii) I may just be not reading it properly, but in "Cornering the market" it says they stored their onions in Chicago, and a couple of sentences later says they "re-shipped" the onions to Chicago - when did they ever leave Chicago?
(iv) In the same section I'm also not clear on how if Seigel and Kosuga still owned most of the onions, they were able to make millions by driving the price down so low - was it that by driving other farmers into bankruptcy they were able to profit greatly in future, or did they somehow make a packet at the time in a way that I'm not really seeing?
(v) The article just ends after the onion incident. Given the article is about the man, it would be nice to know what happened to him after this incident, even if just in a sentence or two.
(vi) The article is very American-centric - please remember Wikipedia is written for a worldwide audience. I have added convert templates to weights given in pounds and a temperature given without any units. --jjron (talk) 12:11, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Sisters of Charity of Nevers, Saint Gildard, Saint Gildard (Lurcy-le-Bourg)
- ... that Saint Bernadette of Lourdes entered St. Gildard convent (pictured) of the Sisters of Charity of Nevers, which is named for the seventh-century saint Saint Gildard (not to be confused with the sixth-century Saint Gildard), where she died in 1879?
Created by Drmies (talk). Self nom at 06:35, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Je ne parle qu'un peu de Français. My French is rusty but will try. All three articles are well sourced and long enough. Order article created December 29 and Saints on December 30. Just one paragraph missing a citation in Saint Gildard (Lurcy-le-Bourg) missing a citation. A few run-on sentences with semicolons IMO, but should be easy to fix. The picture description is in German, of which I know none. But unless there is another convent in Nevers it is the one. Nice to combine three articles, although I would tighten the hook to something like:
- ALT 1 ... that Saint Bernadette of Lourdes entered the convent (pictured) of the Sisters of Charity of Nevers named for the seventh-century Saint Gildard, not the sixth-century Saint Gildard?
- W Nowicki (talk) 20:27, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Joseph Tabarlet
- ... that Joseph Tabarlet, later a mayor of Jonesboro, Louisiana, was stationed with the Marines at Guantanamo Bay during World War I?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 05:34, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- ALT:that World War I veteran Joseph Tabarlet, subsequently the mayor of Jonesboro, Louisiana, was active with the Red Cross during World War II?
ALT is ready to go. OCNative (talk) 06:18, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- ALT2:... that after his successor has died in office, Joseph Tabarlet returned as Mayor of Jonesboro, Louisiana, only to die in office himself about three years later? (If the first successor is getting a wikibio soon, this can easily become a double-hook.) --PFHLai (talk) 03:28, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- ALT3:... that Joseph Tabarlet was made mayor of Jonesboro, Louisiana four times, but only completed one term? Victuallers (talk) 17:30, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Cape Capricorn Light
- ... that construction plans of the first Cape Capricorn Light (plans pictured), a lighthouse on Curtis Island, Queensland, failed to include a lamp room, so one had to be urgently constructed?
- Comment: I'm not sure "pictured" is the right word for architectural plans, so if this image is used please correct this.
Created by Muhandes (talk). Self nom at 18:42, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Hook length and source, article length and date all check out. "Plans pictured" for the parenthetical seems okay to me. Wasted Time R (talk) 20:56, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
The article repeatedly says "lamp room" and that the change was necessitated by a change in the lantern ordered. I'm not an expert in lighthouse design so I can't say if a "lamp room" and a "lantern room" would be the same thing. - Dravecky (talk) 14:44, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- They are the same thing, see e.g. here, and I think "lantern room" is much more often used. However, as both the source and the article use "lamp room", I changed "lantern room" in the hook to "lamp room" to avoid confusion.--Muhandes (talk) 16:41, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Aleksandra Samusenko
- ... that Soviet tank commander Aleksandra Samusenko was buried near the monument to German Emperor William I in Łobez?
Created by Twilight Chill (talk). Self nom at 14:03, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
- This article is under 1500 characters if the "Rumors" section blockquote is not counted. The quote shouldn't even be included, in my opinion. - PM800 (talk) 02:42, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
- The rumors section reads like a commentary, with unclear notability and unclear point targeted (that she fought? or that she concealed? or that Zhukov said so? Who is Zhukov? Who is Garin, except for a war veteran?). Materialscientist (talk) 02:51, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
- Garin is a writer, ru wiki has an article on him. The quotes are largely converted now and a minor addition has been made. Twilightchill t 19:28, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- I still don't think the Rumors section is necessary, and without that it's still under 1500 characters. - PM800 (talk) 21:23, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Incorporated into the Life section now. It is to show that most likely she didn't fight in Spain. Twilightchill t 01:25, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- What I meant was that I don't think the last two paragraphs should be included at all, and taking out the section header doesn't change much. I would suggest expanding the actual biography some more. Or you could just ask for a second opinion on this. - PM800 (talk) 09:15, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- There is virtually no more info for further expansion beyond most recent addition, so I don't think there is a reasonable ground to exclude her purported military background. Twilightchill t 13:55, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Marshall D. Gates, Jr.
- ... that the first synthesis of morphine by Marshall D. Gates, Jr. in 1956 came a full 27 years after its structure had been determined by Robert Robinson?
3x expanded by Mdlevin (talk). Self nom at 06:27, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
The article has not yet been expanded 5x and is under 1500 characters. The hook fact is not directly cited. - PM800 (talk) 02:47, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
- I wasn't sure about the expansion size the nomination template automatically inserted 5x and I figured that was measured automatically by the wiki script. My expansion was actually 2x or so. As for the citation, I've fixed that, it comes from Nicolaou's book, which can be found online here. Mdlevin (talk) 02:57, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
- As for the length, I just read up on the detailed rules and I didn't realize the count was text-only without spaces. I'll lengthen the article and get back to you. Mdlevin (talk) 04:00, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
- I've added more detail in a biographical section so that the article now meets the 1,500 character requirement. If there's anything else, let me know. Expansion is now 3x Mdlevin (talk) 06:30, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
- Actually, one of the other rules is that the article does need to be expanded 5x. - PM800 (talk) 08:04, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
- I see. Well not to get tricky but does my original creation of the article on the 28th of Nov. not count towards this because its too old an edit? Sorry for my lack of understanding! Mdlevin (talk) 08:10, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, it is too old. I would just suggest that you expand the article even more. There is currently only one source used for the Biography section, and there must be more information available. - PM800 (talk) 09:05, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 29
Savoyard crusade
- ... that although it was not a true crusade because it was mostly focused on Bulgaria, the Savoyard crusade was nevertheless the first Christian success against the Ottomans?
Created by Srnec (talk). Nominated by TodorBozhinov (talk) at 12:38, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Aporo, Michoacán. — Toдor Boжinov — 13:18, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment Crusades didn't have to be directed at the Holy Land - there were several in Iberia & Prussia etc. The historian quoted seems to reject the term because of the size & opportunistic nature of the "escapade" rather than the target as the hook implies. Johnbod (talk) 16:58, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
The Jester (hacktivist)
- ... that a hacktivist known as The Jester claims to have taken down the website of the Taliban through a denial-of-service attack?
Created by Michaeldsuarez (talk). Self nom at 15:21, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
I've changed the hook to reflect that this is based on an interview with th3j35t3r. I'm a little uncertain about how the fact it was the "official website" of the Taliban was determined though, can you find any other sources about it? SmartSE (talk) 18:34, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- commons:File:Al-emarah-arabic-new-look-211922-dec-09.jpg, Google search, Reuters – "…the Afghan Taliban said in a statement posted by their leaders on their website, alemarah.info," MSNBC – "The Taliban movement also has a Web site, Al Emarah, or The Emirate, which has various domain names due to attempts to block it." There are plenty of sources saying that it was the Taliban's website, but I couldn't find any reliable sources that used the word "official". I removed "official" from the hook and the article. Is it better now? --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 01:32, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Yep that's better, thanks. Just one thing other thing though, are you sure the article shouldn't be The Jester and not th3j35t3r? I noticed that most of the sources say The Jester and it would certainly make the article easier to read. SmartSE (talk) 22:39, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Alright, but I'm having trouble coming up with a new name. Should I move it to "The Jester", "The Jester (hacker)", or some other name? Would labeling him as a "hacker" cause any neutrality or BLP issues? He self-identifies as a hacker, so I don't believe that placing "(hacker)" in the title would cause any problems. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 23:17, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Maybe The Jester (hacktivist) would be best, since I gather that hactivism is not the same as hacking and because there seem to be a fair few other uses of The Jester at Jester (disambiguation). SmartSE (talk) 00:01, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- I renamed the article to The Jester (hacktivist). --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 00:51, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Cheers. SmartSE (talk) 11:05, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Griftopia
- ... that Matt Taibbi's book Griftopia has been described as a "necessary ... corrective" to the assertion that bubbles are an inevitable part of the market economy?
Created by Ekem (talk). Self nom at 14:41, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Date, length, and citation verified.
However, I think the article violates WP:NPOV as it stands now.I know the "Content" section is based on the book's text, but things like "The toxic mess..." and "Recklessly, ..." shouldn't be in the article. They may be the author's opinion, but the way it's used in the article, it sounds like Wiki endorses this view. In regards to the "Reception", were there any other reviews, particularly ones that were not favorable? Remember we need to be neutral and not berry-pick what we cover. Also, I don't understand the purpose of the "Quote" section... Otherwise, it sounds like a good book. It's good to see someone picking up on the obvious trends in the markets and economic news. I've been telling people this exact same stuff for over 4 years now. In a sick, twisted sort of fun, I'll occasionally predict bubbles right as they're starting. But I digress... – VisionHolder « talk » 10:11, 2 January 2011 (UTC)- Thank you. In the "Content" section I made modifications to either quote directly, or omit qualifiers to address your concern. The "Reception" has been enlarged and it is made clear that criticism adresses language and lack of solutions. In terms of substance, I did not find articles in major news outlets that refute or substantially criticize Taibbi, rather, Wall Street Journal and some others seem to ignore him. The "Quote" has been replaced by a more catchy phrase. Ekem (talk) 22:54, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Its definitely looking better, although some sentences come across as fact rather than the author's opinion: "ARMs and other 'financial inventions' enlarged the pool of loans that could never be paid back..." If you disagree, you can ask for a second opinion. Otherwise, you might include this review from a conservative group (Times Watch) which I found through Google. That should balance things out. (Don't forget to archive web sources with something like WebCite! But that's just a suggestion, and not in the scope of DYK...) Also, the quote needs to be worked into the "Contents" section or phased out since it smells of WP:TRIVIA due to its placement. Alternatively, you can use quotes the way I used them on Lemurs of Madagascar (book), which comes across more as an illustration, rather than a "collection of my favorite quotes". – VisionHolder « talk » 01:29, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- The sentence in question has been modified to adress your concern. Also, the "quote" section is gone, its content now embedded. I read the Times Watch comment, but it appears to me the unkown author attacks primarily the NYT reviewer and does not seem to have bothered reading Griftopia. Your advice re webcite is appreciated and I will do later, thanks. Ekem (talk) 16:08, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
NPOV seems to have been addressed and all other requirements have been verified. As long as it's okay to omit inline refs in the "Content" section for a non-fiction work, then I give it my thumbs-up. – VisionHolder « talk » 02:50, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- The sentence in question has been modified to adress your concern. Also, the "quote" section is gone, its content now embedded. I read the Times Watch comment, but it appears to me the unkown author attacks primarily the NYT reviewer and does not seem to have bothered reading Griftopia. Your advice re webcite is appreciated and I will do later, thanks. Ekem (talk) 16:08, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Its definitely looking better, although some sentences come across as fact rather than the author's opinion: "ARMs and other 'financial inventions' enlarged the pool of loans that could never be paid back..." If you disagree, you can ask for a second opinion. Otherwise, you might include this review from a conservative group (Times Watch) which I found through Google. That should balance things out. (Don't forget to archive web sources with something like WebCite! But that's just a suggestion, and not in the scope of DYK...) Also, the quote needs to be worked into the "Contents" section or phased out since it smells of WP:TRIVIA due to its placement. Alternatively, you can use quotes the way I used them on Lemurs of Madagascar (book), which comes across more as an illustration, rather than a "collection of my favorite quotes". – VisionHolder « talk » 01:29, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you. In the "Content" section I made modifications to either quote directly, or omit qualifiers to address your concern. The "Reception" has been enlarged and it is made clear that criticism adresses language and lack of solutions. In terms of substance, I did not find articles in major news outlets that refute or substantially criticize Taibbi, rather, Wall Street Journal and some others seem to ignore him. The "Quote" has been replaced by a more catchy phrase. Ekem (talk) 22:54, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Duane H. Cassidy
- ... that Duane H. Cassidy was the first commander of the United States Transportation Command?
Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 03:24, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
The article is copied word-for-word from public domain material (http://www.af.mil/information/bios/bio.asp?bioID=4954). Eligibility pending discussion here. - PM800 (talk) 03:45, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Article is "cited" entirely (all 8 cites) to the article of which it is a close paraphrase. - Dravecky (talk) 05:32, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
WS-199, Alpha Draco
- ... that the Alpha Draco rocket (pictured), developed as part of Weapons System 199, evaluated the lifting body principle for reentry vehicles?
- Comment: Reviewed SMS Prinzregent Luitpold.
Created by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 23:11, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
Both nominated articles verified and ready for DYK. Rcej (Robert) - talk 06:00, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Earl T. O'Loughlin
- ... that Earl T. O'Loughlin influenced the development of the B-1B Lancer?
Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 22:01, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
As noted elsewhere, the article takes directly from the USAF's biography of the man. While this is fine for Wiki, and the debate at DYKtalk apparently continues over whether that's OK for DYK or not during "slow times", I'd suggest re-writing these bios anyway. Just use the PD information to say it in your own words. - The Bushranger One ping only 03:57, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Article is "cited" almost entirely (11 of 12 cites) to the article of which it is a close paraphrase. - Dravecky (talk) 05:33, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Tethys fimbria
- ... that sea slug Tethys fimbria (pictured) captures crustaceans, although it has no radula?
Created by Snek01 (talk). Self nom at 20:17, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that predatory sea slug Tethys fimbria (pictured) can self amputate its cerata?
--Snek01 (talk) 08:56, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
It is only 1131 characters at the moment so still requires expansion. SmartSE (talk) 12:19, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
There are 1229 characters of prose now. Let's let the article grow. --PFHLai (talk) 17:36, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Current nominations
Articles created/expanded on December 30
Louis Gilbert
- ... that Louis Gilbert, who scored all 21 points in Michigan Stadium's dedication game, was described as "the campus sheik" who "wears bear grease on his hair and dances a mean black bottom"?
5x expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 19:08, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: Reviewed St Barbara's Church, Haceby Cbl62 (talk) 19:13, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Waterbury Union Station
- ... that the 240-foot (73 m) clock tower on the former Union Station (top pictured) that dominates the Waterbury, Connecticut, skyline was modeled on the Torre del Mangia in Siena, Italy?
- ALT1:... that the former Union Station in Waterbury, Connecticut, is now the offices of the city's daily newspaper, the Republican-American?
- Comment: I didn't start expanding this until Dec. 30 ... the Dec. 24 edit was to add a picture of the modern Waterbury station, which has since been split into a separate article.
5x expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 18:02, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
As now required, I have verified Polad Bülbüloğlu. Daniel Case (talk) 18:13, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
L&N Station (Knoxville)
- ... that the Knoxville L&N rail station (pictured) had three waiting rooms: one for ladies, one for colored people, and a general waiting room?
Created by Bms4880 (talk). Nominated by Orlady (talk) at 20:24, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- Slightly reword the last part to read, "...and a general waiting room." I don't think it was called "general," I think it was just called the waiting room or main room. Agee called it "the big room." Bms4880 (talk) 00:36, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- Done. --Orlady (talk) 03:21, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
St Michael's Church, Burwell
- ... that the capitals of the Norman chancel arch in St Michael's Church, Burwell, Lincolnshire (pictured) are carved with dancing stags and volutes?
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 14:50, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- Comment. In connection with this I reviewed Robert Jones (surgeon).--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 15:16, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Date, length and hook all verified. A Thousand Doors (talk) 06:35, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Bodinnick
- ... that writer Daphne du Maurier lived in a house near the ferryside in Bodinnick (pictured) for several years?
5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 14:01, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- Added an img.--Nvvchar. 05:38, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- I reviewed St. Mary's Abbey, Trim.--Nvvchar. 02:57, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Verified, 5x, and ready for DYK. Rcej (Robert) - talk 06:14, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Carrier Strike Group Fourteen
- ... that Carrier Strike Group Fourteen is currently the only U.S. carrier strike group that does not have an assigned aircraft carrier or carrier air wing?
Created by Marcd30319 (talk). Self nom at 01:18, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
The length is definitely good, and the fact is interesting! I imagine that you want us to be specifically looking at Carrier_Strike_Group_Fourteen#Force_composition_in_2010 for the citations, as the fact stated in the opening paragraph doesn't have any references given. However, even those citations don't seem to mention CSG14, and the issue of CSG14 not having an aircraft carrier or CVW assigned. Have I missed something? -danjel (talk to me) 12:58, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- I made several fixes, including citations from two offical U.S. Navy web sites confirming that Carrier Strike Group Fourteen has only two ships assigned to it, the cruisers Gettysburg and Philippine Sea, and therefore CARSTRKGRU 14 currently does not have an assigned aircraft carrier and carrier air wing. I hope this clarifies the matter. Marcd30319 (talk) 14:54, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
James P. McCarthy
- ... that James P. McCarthy established the cadet soaring program at the United States Air Force Academy?
Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 01:09, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
, appears that most of article is taken verbatim from source. Lord Roem (talk) 01:20, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- There is nothing wrong with that when the text is in the public domain. There is currently a discussion above that has been linked about this issue. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:54, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
In that case everything else looks fine. -- Lord Roem (talk) 02:06, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
The discussion is still ongoing, and the current DYK rules state: "Try to pick articles that are original to Wikipedia (not inclusions of free data sources)". - PM800 (talk) 02:25, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Monroe W. Hatch Jr.
- ... that Monroe W. Hatch Jr., a former General in the United States Air Force is a member of Tau Beta Pi and Sigma Gamma Tau?
Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 01:09, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- content taken verbatim from source. -- Lord Roem (talk) 01:21, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- Um, no it wasn't. I have two sources, and although I did copy the text, it is far from verbatim. It is also legal to copy since it is public domain, although it is in a bit of a gray area here. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:53, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Jack I. Gregory
- ... that although Jack I. Gregory is a former General, he once claimed that his proudest achievement was to convince his high school sweetheart to marry him after college?
Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 01:09, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- Copied from PD material. - PM800 (talk) 22:01, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Thomas C. Richards
- ... that although Thomas C. Richards earned a Purple Heart in the Korean War in the infantry, he ended up becomming a General in the United States Air Force?
Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 01:09, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- Copied from PD material. - PM800 (talk) 22:02, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Robert H. Reed
- ... that Robert H. Reed earned a bachelor of arts degree in international relations from Syracuse University?
Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 01:09, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- everything required is verified. -- Lord Roem (talk) 07:11, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- Copied from PD material. - PM800 (talk) 22:05, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry, but this hook is profoundly uninteresting. Why should a reader care where someone they probably never heard of attended college? At a minimum, let's try:
- ALT1... that U.S. Air Force General Robert H. Reed earned a bachelor of arts degree in international relations from Syracuse University?
- Or:
- ALT2... that Robert H. Reed received a bachelor's degree in international relations from Syracuse University seven years after joining the U.S. Air Force?
- Or:
- ALT3... that U.S. Air Force General Robert H. Reed, who was chief of staff at Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe, earned a bachelor's degree in international relations from Syracuse University? --Orlady (talk) 15:01, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
St Mary the Virgin's Church, North Stoke
- ... that the dedication of North Stoke Church (pictured)—forgotten for centuries—was accidentally rediscovered in 2007 when a researcher examined a piece of vellum in The National Archives?
- Comment: I reviewed Prisons in Wales in connection with this nom. Just >200 characters if (pictured) is included. The story for this fact (current ref [1]) is reported by Culture24: their website is a little gaudy, but they are a charitable body with government funding, hence news stories should be reliable.
Created by Hassocks5489 (talk). Self nom at 23:38, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
All checks out. Very impressive. I have taken the liberty of shortening the hook slightly. Moonraker2 (talk) 11:59, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Zénon Bernard
- ... that Zénon Bernard, chairman of the Communist Party of Luxembourg, had played in the Luxembourg national football team?
Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 21:25, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Good to go. All the sources check out--the website verifying the football info is another one of those many sport statistics sites, but it seems legit. Hard to imagine them beating France, of course, but it was a close game; I'm adding another source that also contains a nice detail. The streets named after him, that's based on primary evidence (and there may be more than one person with that name, of course), but that's not really a DYK concern. Drmies (talk) 21:48, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
- ALT: ... that 20 years after scoring a goal in Luxembourg's first ever football victory over France, Zénon Bernard became the first communist elected to the Luxembourgian parliament? (Do we know his position? I hope he played right-wing in football but left-wing in politics.) --PFHLai (talk) 23:44, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Philippine senatorial elections
- ... that a voter can vote for up to twelve candidates in the Philippine senatorial elections?
- ALT1:... that the replacement for Norberto Romualdez, who died a day before the 1941 Philippine Senate election, still won due to block voting in the Philippine senatorial elections?
5x expanded by Howard the Duck (talk). Self nom at 19:34, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Your DYK is uncited in the opening paragraph. I think that needs to be fixed. That being said, I like ALT1 more... which is cited as required. Otherwise, it has been expanded enough (acc. DYKcheck), and the article seems OK. Good job. I'll drop you a message shortly so that you can either fix or endorse ALT1. -danjel (talk to me) 13:09, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- Tis cited now. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 15:35, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- If ALT1 will be used, I suggest to rephrase it as "... that due to block voting in the Philippine senatorial elections, the replacement for Norberto Romualdez, who died a day before the 1941 election, still won? –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 15:54, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- P.S. As connection to this nom I reviewed E L Short immediately below. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 16:36, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Polish songs by Frédéric Chopin
- ... that only two of the 19 Polish songs by Frédéric Chopin were published during Chopin's lifetime?
Created by JackofOz (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 13:15, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
- comment: reviewed Quetzaltenango Department
Article length and date are fine. Hook length is fine and hook is cited but the source's reliability is questionable and it needs more info than "Jim Samson" in the article. Other parts of the article are also unsourced. — AjaxSmack 19:45, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- I see what you mean. I'm not the author, just noticed the article and thought it should be known, so picked the first fact with a ref. Looking closer, other sources don't even believe any of the songs were published during the composers lifetime. For references please contact the author, who may be surprised. Trying to keep the hook simple and undisputable:
- ALT1: ... that 17 Polish songs by Frédéric Chopin were published after the composer's death as his Op.74. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:21, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- The page simply cited as "Jim Samson" is a copy of the article by Kornel Michałowski & Jim Samson in Oxford/Grove Music Online (haven't checked everything, but they appear identical at first glance), including the bibliography at the end, except for the table of works approximately two thirds down the page, which is presumably inserted from some other source. --Hegvald (talk) 07:36, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Brazo
- ... that the name of the Brazo Anti-Radiation Missile was intended as a pun?
- Comment: Reviewed Sunstone (medieval).
Created by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 01:23, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
- Can you tell me what the two meanings are that make Brazo a pun? Maybe I'm missing a clue Victuallers (talk) 20:48, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- "Brazo" is the Spanish word for "Arm". The Brazo missile was an Anti-Radiation Missile, which, when acronymised as the military so loves to do, becomes ARM... - The Bushranger One ping only 00:14, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- Thx - sorry I missed the acronym - Ive capitalised it to help later readers Victuallers (talk) 18:06, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Sewall Memorial Torches
- ... that the Sewall Memorial Torches were given to the Art Association of Indianapolis in memorial of May Wright Sewall in 1922?
Created by User:Lottie Ford. Nominated by User:RichardMcCoy at 03:09, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- This nice looking article needs some fixing. Point 1 is that the Gorham Co. is used as a source for the statement thats the Gorham Co is very famous. Sources need to be 3rd party. The middle sections lacks sources. More oddly we have a ref for these torches having a lot of corrosion on them when they were re-installed (surely when they were removed for cleaning?) and the source is a manual on corrosion (not a likely source). There may be other points. I also notice that the school where these are installed doesnt mention them and the links to the people these torches honour could also be inspected. Do have a go, do ask for help, but this will need some attention . Victuallers (talk) 21:09, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 31
Großbottwar
- ... that a wooden stork on the façade of the Rathaus (pictured) in the German town of Großbottwar nods its head when the town hall clock strikes the hour?
5x expanded by Maedin (talk). Self nom at 19:07, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
William Buelow Gould
- ... that English/Australian painter William Buelow Gould was transported to Van Diemen's Land as a convict in 1827 for stealing a coat, and the award-winning novel Gould's Book of Fish was based on his life?
Created by jjron (talk). Self nom at 09:27, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: I reviewed Bentworth
- Comment: I reviewed Luxury goods in the People's Republic of China
Great article, well-written, and interesting. Date, length, and refs are all okay. May I suggest another hook? The one above seems a little disconnected and is just over the limit. Also, how about adding the picture of Gould? Maedin\talk 20:37, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that the award-winning novel Gould's Book of Fish is based on the life of English painter William Buelow Gould, transported as a convict to the penal colony Van Diemen's Land for stealing a coat?
AQM-127 SLAT
- ... that following seven failures out of eight flight test attempts, the U.S. Navy cancelled the AQM-127 SLAT target drone program and bought a Russian missile instead?
- Comment: Reviewed SMS Ostfriesland.
Created by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 00:19, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
I think that the hook may need to be tweaked, as the source says that the Russian drone was an 'interim solution' which was purchased in small numbers only, and the GQM-163 Coyote was developed to fill the role the AQM-127 was intended for. As such, it doesn't seem accurate to say that the Russian drone was bought 'instead' of the AQM-127. Nick-D (talk) 23:28, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
December 2010 Rabbi Letter Controversies
- ... that former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak condemned two letters written by Israeli rabbis that urged Jewish Israelis not to rent property to, date, or socialize with Arabs?
Created by Stonemason89 (talk). Self nom at 22:46, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Length and date verified. —focus 04:42, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Philip M. Breedlove
- ... that Philip M. Breedlove has been nominated to be the next Vice Chief of Staff of the United States Air Force?
Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 20:30, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Length and date is ok. But the article is almost entirely based on a single source. Only one passage (the hook fact) has two references. Is there no other sources that could be used? And the passage "Not much is known about his early life" is a bit dubious. Is his youth really could in mystery, or is it just not mentioned in the Air Force bio piece? --Soman (talk) 18:15, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- There is only one source for the most part. The problem is, I could use other sources, but they would be copies of the original source's information for the most part. Depending on who he is though, there is either a wealth or dearth of information. Philip is one of those people where there is a wealth, but they are all repeating exactly the same thing because it is public domain information. Feel free to Google his name and you will understand what I mean. Believe me, if I could add good sources, I would have by now. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:25, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
James L. Jamerson
- ... that James L. Jamerson is the former commander of the United States European Command?
Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 20:30, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- The article is a close paraphrase of this public-domain source. According to WP:WIADYK #1, articles should not be inclusions of public-domain sources. Reaper Eternal (talk) 15:37, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Henry Viccellio Jr.
- ... that the father of General Henry Viccellio Jr. commanded the Continental Air Command and his son is an actor?
Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 20:30, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
William Gullick
- ... that William Gullick who designed the New South Wales Coat of Arms had a colour photograph of his family (pictured) as early as 1909?
Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 20:20, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- (I reviewed "Sewall Memorial Torches" above) - my refs should be in the lede
Verified and ready. Rcej (Robert) - talk 07:35, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- ... that Frans Otto Eriksson was a Swedish baker that committed a double murder in 1909?
--BabbaQ (talk) 17:06, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
fix some grammatical problems with the article and you're good. Time and size verified. Lord Roem (talk) 20:11, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- Fixed.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:27, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
I was asked to review this nomination, and my review is that it's not ready. Most of the paragraphs in the article are not cited. References cannot be bare URLs, either. - PM800 (talk) 21:54, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
I made made a few passes to clean up the article at the request of the nominator, but found that it is a close translation of a Swedish Wikipedia article created last October. I am unsure of the rules regarding newness of content from sister wikis in this case. KimChee (talk) 11:46, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, if concerns that KimChee makes are OK:ed, then I hope that KimChees helpful edits has made the article DYK-worthy. Thanks again KimChee.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:42, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- The main source cited in the footnotes is a private genealogy webpage; it does not contain anything very strange or wildely unlikely but it is, in itself, rather underwhelmingly sourced and has no standing as a reliable source. The "Further reading" section shows that better sources are available. This appears to be a translation of the Swedish article, where those books appear to have been the real sources, so why cite a less reliable on-line source just to be able to insert a few footnotes? (BabbaQ, if you could quickly get to a library carrying these books and insert footnotes from them, that would be the best alternative.) --Hegvald (talk) 08:05, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Additional issue: he was almost certainly not born in the Badelunda ridge, but in or possibly just outside Västerås, at or by the ridge. The exact parish and place of birth would presumably be extremely easy to check from the church records (some of which are scanned by the National Archives and made available on-line with subscription), but that would be "original resarch" and thus prohibited by
GodWikipedia policy. --Hegvald (talk) 08:05, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Me and KimChee has now fixed what was needed. I believe it is DYK ready.--BabbaQ (talk) 00:00, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- Additional issue: he was almost certainly not born in the Badelunda ridge, but in or possibly just outside Västerås, at or by the ridge. The exact parish and place of birth would presumably be extremely easy to check from the church records (some of which are scanned by the National Archives and made available on-line with subscription), but that would be "original resarch" and thus prohibited by
SMS Ostfriesland
- ... that the German battleship SMS Ostfriesland (pictured) was sunk by American bombers during air power tests conducted by Billy Mitchell in 1921?
5x expanded by Parsecboy (talk). Self nom at 16:39, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Looks good to me. I'd suggest possibly using this image instead though? - The Bushranger One ping only 00:18, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- That is a much better image for the hook - I wasn't thinking of that when I picked the image. I've replaced the image with that one. Parsecboy (talk) 16:19, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Varetta Dillard
- ... that rhythm and blues singer Varetta Dillard was due to perform at the first ever rock and roll concert, the Moondog Coronation Ball in Cleveland, Ohio in 1952, but could not do so as the show was shut down?
Created by Ghmyrtle (talk). Self nom at 13:25, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
The creation date and article length are fine. However, the hook appears to be over 200 characters and should be shortened, and the Moondog Coronation Ball is considered the first "major" rock and roll concert, not the first one ever. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:58, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1:... that rhythm and blues singer Varetta Dillard was due to perform at the first ever major rock and roll concert, the Moondog Coronation Ball in 1952, but could not do so as the show was shut down? Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:03, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Hainan Eastern Ring Railway
- ... that the newly opened Hainan Eastern Ring Railway employed 50,000 workers, and is Hainan's largest single investment project?
5x expanded by Anna Frodesiak (talk). Self nom at 06:58, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that the newly opened Hainan Eastern Ring Railway took over 3 years to complete and employed 50,000 workers?
Hook 1 looks good but maybe add "to date". Hook reference checks out. 5x expansion AGF.Philg88 (talk) 21:32, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Article has not been expanded 5x: was 598 chars prior to expansion, 2462 now (4.1x expansion). If it can be expanded a little more in the next day or so we can approve it. 28bytes (talk) 19:55, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
ASALM
- ... that the Advanced Strategic Air-Launched Missile (pictured on A-7) was intended to be equally effective against hardened ground targets and AWACS aircraft?
- Comment: Reviewed Balsas River.
Created by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 06:52, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Vicki Huber
- ... that Villanova coach Marty Stern initially thought that future Olympic runner Vicki Huber "was a wimp" who he hoped would "leave and go home"?
5x expanded by Makeemlighter (talk). Self nom at 04:01, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that Villanova coach Marty Stern initially thought that future Olympic runner Vicki Huber "was a wimp" and hoped "she'd leave and go home"? Makeemlighter (talk) 04:01, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Length and date verified. AGF on offline source. - PM800 (talk) 06:46, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Harry Arthur Saintsbury
- ... that H. A. Saintsbury (pictured) met the thirteen-year-old Charlie Chaplin at the Green Room Club in 1903, to approve him for a part on stage?
- Comment: I reviewed Sam Moffet
Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 06:00, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Offline reference taken in good faith. Miyagawa (talk) 21:52, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 1
Steve Collins (American football)
- ... that Steve Collins was named the starting quarterback for the Oklahoma Sooners football team in 1989 despite having not yet played a college football game?
5x expanded by Wizardman (talk), Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 15:30, 3 January 2011 (UTC) (Reviewed Al Burris under Dec. 29 per new rules)
Article up for deletion. Rcej (Robert) - talk 09:38, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's why I expanded and sourced it. Consensus is pretty clearly towards keep, so it will be fine once it's closed in a couple days. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 19:28, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Pauls Dauge
- ... that the dentist Pauls Dauge translated several works of Friedrich Engels into Latvian?
Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 14:15, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: I revied Minuscule 2276, Minuscule 2277, Minuscule 2278, under December 28. --Soman (talk) 14:25, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
date, ref hook verified. Size (by my count) just gets over the 1500 mark by the online charachter counter. -- Lord Roem (talk) 23:34, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Sacred Heart Catholic Church (McCartyville, Ohio)
- ... that the rectory (pictured) at Sacred Heart Catholic Church in McCartyville, Ohio was named a historic site in 1979, just two years after it was deemed ineligible for that designation?
Created by Nyttend (talk). Self nom at 13:30, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment Reviewed Eugene K. Garfield. Nyttend (talk) 13:30, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Offline hook accepted in good faith. I presume that the National Registry source 1 is only accesible by members? As the current link is to a note on the website not the info which it sources. Length fine.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:46, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- There are several different databases available on that page; the citation is dependent on DETAIL.EXE and MASTER.EXE. Nyttend (talk) 04:00, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Boushey Vineyard
- ... that Washington wine grape grower Dick Boushey (picture) opposed the creation of the Rattlesnake Hills AVA because he felt that it would undermine his vineyard's appellation?
- Comment: Reviewed Clutts House. Hook reference in Dick Boushey section with a direct quote from online Decanter magazine ref (FN#8) and several refs noting the vineyard's location in the Yakima Valley
Created by Agne27 (talk). Self nom at 09:56, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
The Restless Gun
- ... that before being cast as Hoss Cartwright on Bonanza, Dan Blocker appeared in four episodes of John Payne's NBC western series, The Restless Gun?
5x expanded by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 02:48, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- ALT:... that before becoming executive producer of Bonanza, David Dortort had produced another NBC western series, The Restless Gun, starring John Payne?
- I reviewed the article "Racism in Film of the United States and find it too sketchy to be a separate article. There is not much "there there." Billy Hathorn (talk) 02:52, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Racism in Film of the United States
- ... that the history of racism in United States film includes the controversial movie The Birth of a Nation?
Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 23:56, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- I reviewed the article "Japanese air attacks on the Mariana Islands". Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:01, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- I think this article is too sketchy to be anything separate from The Birth of a Nation, which already exists. The hook is noneventful, it seems to me. Billy Hathorn (talk) 02:54, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Agree with previous comment, and even more. This article is a woefully incomplete and erratic treatment of the topic. The formatting is substandard and no other articles link to it. It should not appear on the main page in this form. Wasted Time R (talk) 05:00, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- I can fix it now that you guys have addressed it. I can do so over the next few days. Thanks for your comments. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 17:43, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Expanded, but far from finished or perfect. I might work on it a bit more over the next day or so but I do need to fix a few things on it at some point. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:11, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that the history of racism in American film might have begun with Thomas Edison's use of "Arab" women with enticing clothes dancing to seduce a male audience?
- I added the alternate hook as it is more eventful than the first hook. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:18, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- I still don't think you have any idea how big a topic you've taken on here. There have been dozens of books and scholarly papers written about the intersection of race and American film; look in Google Books or Google Scholar. They are the sources you want to be using, not unadorned web urls. You've left out some of the most famous early episodes, such as Hattie McDaniel's roles and Stepin Fetchit. The article's suggestion that the first films to explore racism have been American History X and Crash is wrong by several decades; try Guess Who's Coming to Dinner or Nothing But a Man or Imitation of Life or many, many more. This is not a matter of "fixing" something. This is a matter of researching and writing a long, complex article, and it's going to take a lot longer than a day to get right. Wasted Time R (talk) 03:53, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Ugh, that's what I figured. I am far from an expert in this field though in this but I'm willing to expand the article to suffice. I can start searching later today and fixing up the last 2/3 of the article to a decent form since I know that they are underdeveloped at this point. Thanks for the help there. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 15:03, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- I still don't think you have any idea how big a topic you've taken on here. There have been dozens of books and scholarly papers written about the intersection of race and American film; look in Google Books or Google Scholar. They are the sources you want to be using, not unadorned web urls. You've left out some of the most famous early episodes, such as Hattie McDaniel's roles and Stepin Fetchit. The article's suggestion that the first films to explore racism have been American History X and Crash is wrong by several decades; try Guess Who's Coming to Dinner or Nothing But a Man or Imitation of Life or many, many more. This is not a matter of "fixing" something. This is a matter of researching and writing a long, complex article, and it's going to take a lot longer than a day to get right. Wasted Time R (talk) 03:53, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Nancy Schaefer
- ... that former Georgia State Senator Nancy Schaefer died in what police concluded was a murder–suicide perpetrated by her husband?
Created by Mkativerata (talk). Self nom at 22:45, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
ALT... that former Georgia State Senator Nancy Schaefer was eulogised by a fellow Senator as having been "almost like a rock star of the Christian right"?- Reviewed: Battlegore Burial Chamber
Verified and ready. Rcej (Robert) - talk 09:45, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Battlegore Burial Chamber
Pureora Forest Park
- ... that a buried subfossil forest, submerged under pumice after the eruption of Taupo crater (c. AD 186), was discovered in Pureora Forest Park (pictured), central North Island, New Zealand, in 1983?
5x expanded by Rosiestep (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 21:27, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: Reviewed Christopher Villiers, 1st Earl of Anglesey.
- Added an img of the park.--Nvvchar. 01:40, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Article length (expansion), references and hook check out. Resolute 21:13, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Chiang Ching-kuo Foundation
- ... that many Western scholars working in Chinese studies now receive funding from the Taiwan-based Chiang Ching-kuo Foundation?
Created by Wasted Time R (talk). Self nom at 21:04, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: Reviewed Cape Capricorn Light
Article length and date are fine. Hook length and sources are fine. However, a couple of questions about the hook including usage of the rather dated term "Western", especially when the article deals exclusively with American activities of the foundation, and the vagueness of "many" (which does accurately reflect the source cited). For the hook, how about something spicier like:
- ... that some scholars working in China fear funding from sources such as Taiwan's Chiang Ching-kuo Foundation could lead them to be suspected of spying for or colluding with Taiwan?
Or is that pushing a little too far? — AjaxSmack 06:06, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- That's fine with me. Thanks for the review. Wasted Time R (talk) 14:03, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
St Benedict's Church, Haltham-on-Bain
- ... that the tympanum of the Norman doorway (pictured) of St Benedict's Church, Haltham-on-Bain, Lincolnshire, contains carvings of a Maltese cross in a circle, a fan-shaped shell, and a knot in a circle?
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 17:16, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment. Mein liebster Jesus ist verloren, BWV 154 reviewed.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 17:18, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Wedgwood scale
- ... that the Wedgwood scale was used to determine the temperature in pottery kiln
Created by Stone (talk). Self nom at 16:20, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Article length, date, hook length and fact all verified. Sasata (talk) 20:07, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: According to the yellow box, new hooks can't be approved until the nominator reviews something. Or maybe they can be approved, just not moved to prep? - PM800 (talk) 20:18, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- reviewed khatyrkite, cupalite, 1284 Yuan expedition to Sri Lanka .--Stone (talk) 23:21, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Battlegore Burial Chamber
- ... that according to legend, Battlegore Burial Chamber is the site of a conflict between the devil and a giant?
Created by Reaper Eternal (talk). Self nom at 15:27, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- I reviewed James L. Jamerson above. Reaper Eternal (talk) 15:38, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Hook, article length and date, and all other matters, are verified. --Mkativerata (talk) 22:40, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
al-Insaniyyah
- ... that al-Insaniyyah, founded in 1925, was the first Arabic communist newspaper?
Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 14:42, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment. I reviewed France–Monaco relations under December 27. --Soman (talk) 15:44, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Size and citation check out. Note that the source says this was the first official communist paper.--Bkwillwm (talk) 04:29, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Bentworth
- ... that Bentworth, a village in Hampshire had its manor used as a 'hiding place' for the Kings of Wessex in the 11th century?
5x expanded by Jaguar (talk). Self nom at 16:20, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, not eligible. The criteria state that "...the prose portion has been expanded fivefold or more within the last five days". You've done heaps of good work on this article in the last few months, but it's nowhere near meeting those criteria. --jjron (talk) 16:28, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Luxury goods in the People's Republic of China
- ... that the People's Republic of China is the world's second largest consumer market for luxury goods, next only to Japan?
Created by LibertarianWarrior (talk). Self nom at 12:14, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Can someone else please check this. I'm not sure this article passes Wikipedia:NOT#NEWS, and significant parts of it are doubtful on Wikipedia:NOTCRYSTALBALL criteria. Even if it's OK on those, I'm not convinced this topic justifies having its own article and wouldn't be better as part of a more substantial article (maybe worked into the single link 'to' it, from Economy of the People's Republic of China#Luxury goods). On any of those counts it may well be a candidate for AfD. However, if it is acceptable on all those counts, then in terms of length, age, and hook, it possibly satisfies DYK criteria. --jjron (talk) 17:26, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- It definitely does not violate NOTNEWS as many studies have been done on it. Anyway, I will expand it more, give me some time. --LibertarianWarrior (talk) 17:31, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- I don't see any NOTNEWS issue nor any threat of AfD. As per CRYSTALBALL, there is only one mention, that could be reformulated easily. --Soman (talk) 17:37, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
I think this is right to go now. Article expansion and extra work has helped here. It reads less like a news report, and looks more substantial and less like a displaced section, containing more solid information. I've done a rework of the opening section, and a general copyedit of the rest of the article. I've reworded the most blatant 'prediction' so it reads less so, while still conveying the same basic meaning. Can I suggest using a "cite" template for your refs - they are of variable standard, with some being just raw links with no details of publisher, date, etc. The link goes to the right place, but the source should be clearer without necessarily having to follow the link. --jjron (talk) 12:44, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Christopher Villiers, 1st Earl of Anglesey
- ... that Kit Villiers was a Gentleman of the Bedchamber to James I, but not to Charles I, who "would have no drunkards of his chamber"?
- Comment: I reviewed Green Tree Financial Corp.-Ala. v. Randolph
Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 10:23, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Length, date verified. Hook's offline ref accepted AGF. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:15, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Sean Wallentine
- ... that newly-inaugurated California Board of Equalization Member Sean Wallentine has surpassed five-day Governor Milton Latham of 1860 as the state's shortest-serving constitutional officer?
- ALT1:... that recently-departed California Board of Equalization Member Sean Wallentine has surpassed five-day Governor Milton Latham of 1860 as the state's shortest-serving constitutional officer?
- Comment: He was sworn into office 12 hours before I submitted this DYK suggestion, but will have departed from office by the time the DYK process is completed.
Created by OCNative (talk). Self nom at 06:10, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Joseph Tabarlet
Doug Dashiell
- ... that college football coach Doug Dashiell resigned after his football players and the University of Nevada student president went into "open rebellion"?
Created by Strikehold (talk). Self nom at 03:02, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: R.B. Walden
Verified and ready. Rcej (Robert) - talk 09:45, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Fusarium oxysporum f.sp. cubense
- ... that the fungal pathogen, Fusarium oxysporum f.sp. cubense, may cause the banana (pictured) to become extinct?
Created by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self nom at 11:32, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- In accordance with the new policy, I have reviewed the article Oeneis nevadensis submitted for 29th December. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:59, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Nice work in filling in a hole, which I'm quite surprised existed in the first place. There are a couple of problems with the hook though: 1) unless I missed it, extinction is only mentioned in the short blurb of the article referenced, but doesn't seem to be discussed in the 5 pages of text. If I've missed it, please let me know which page it is mentioned on or if not, can you find a reference which discusses it in more depth? 2) is it likely to cause the extinction of all Musa species, or only the Cavendish banana and other commercial cultivars? Also as a side point, I seem to remember reading something about using GM to create new resistant cultivars and found this discussing it, which could be used as a reference. SmartSE (talk) 20:38, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- This isn't really necessary for including the article at DYK, but this paper has been cited 255 times, so really should be referenced if possible. SmartSE (talk) 20:45, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- I have added some information on the research study you mentioned and the New Scientist article.
- There is a statement on page 5. of the "hook" article How much time is left for the Cavendish? Some scientists say five years; some say 10. and What happens then is that people change - to apples.
- Would this be an acceptable hook? The additional information included comes from page 1. of the same source. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:44, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- This isn't really necessary for including the article at DYK, but this paper has been cited 255 times, so really should be referenced if possible. SmartSE (talk) 20:45, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that the average American eats 26.2 pounds of bananas each year and that the fungal pathogen, Fusarium oxysporum f.sp. cubense, may cause their favourite fruit, the Cavendish banana (pictured), to become extinct?
- Thanks for making the changes. That new hook is ok, but I think the weight fact sounds a bit tagged on. I'd suggest the shorter, and hopefully hookier:
- ALT2 ... that a fusarium wilt could cause America's favorite fruit, the Cavendish banana (pictured), to become extinct?
- (It hurt to write favorite but I guess as the hook is about America, it is only right) What do you think? SmartSE (talk) 23:30, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Please note that Fusarium wilt is a separate article from the one about the pathogen organism Fusarium oxysporum f.sp. cubense. The latter is being nominated, and I would consider it improper to post the nomination under the name of another article. --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:04, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- In view of what EncycloPetey says, how about -- Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:34, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- ALT3 ... that a wilt disease, Fusarium oxysporum f.sp. cubense, could cause America's favorite fruit, the Cavendish banana (pictured), to become extinct?
- I know that, which is why I wrote a fusarium wilt rather than simply fusarium wilt. I just think that the full species name is a little unweildly and that we should aim to makes hooks as "hooky" as possible. Would it help if the a was included in the link i.e. a fusarium wilt ? I'm sure we have a rule about hatlinks somewhere but I can't find it at the moment, personally I think this is a reasonable way to link to the article, but if not an alternative would be to use fusarium wilt of banana and then maybe hat America's favorite fruit to Cavendish banana. I was going to say that we should probably change America > USA actually as well, seeming as they are very different, but I noticed that the source says it is the world's favourite fruit, which leads to ALT4. (The article will need tweaking if we use this). SmartSE (talk) 11:24, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- ALT4 ... that fusarium wilt of banana could cause the world's favorite fruit (pictured), to become extinct?
- I'm still concerned that the references to possible extinction are not warranted. Everything I've read on the topic suggests that, like Gros Michel, Cavendish will not become extinct but will no longer be commercially viable within 5 to 10 years. Before putting this on the Main Page, we need a reliable source that clearly states it. cmadler (talk) 13:07, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- Hmm, I found this from the RSC which rebutts the New Scientist that I think the other articles written since were based on: "However, it is unlikely that these problems will cause production to decrease greatly in the next decade, let alone that the crop will become extinct." I think we need to think of a different hook. SmartSE (talk) 18:04, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- I'm still concerned that the references to possible extinction are not warranted. Everything I've read on the topic suggests that, like Gros Michel, Cavendish will not become extinct but will no longer be commercially viable within 5 to 10 years. Before putting this on the Main Page, we need a reliable source that clearly states it. cmadler (talk) 13:07, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- I do not believe the article to which the hook refers states that the Cavendish banana is the world's favourite fruit but it does state that it is America's favourite fruit. I still favour ALT3 because it is interesting. It does not state that the Cavendish banana will become extinct but that it could become extinct. There may be controversy over whether all "export" bananas will become extinct but there is currently no alternative cultivar to the Cavendish and it is very likely to be wiped out by this disease as was the Gros Michel in the last century. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:54, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Kankakee Torrent
- ... that the Illinois River channel was carved out in a matter of days by the Kankakee Torrent?
- ALT1:... that scouring by the Kankakee Torrent was responsible for creating the canyons in Illinois' Starved Rock State Park?
- Comment: My first DYK. I don't know if I'm even doing this right, so any help is welcome.
Created by HuskyHuskie (talk). Self nom at 06:01, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
The article needs to have at least 1500 characters of prose to be eligible, and it currently has 900. Also, try to label your sources. You can review the DYK rules here and here. - PM800 (talk) 06:13, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- Could someone give this a second look now? Some other editors have helped out with the issues raised. HuskyHuskie (talk) 05:19, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- References have been fixed. More text has been added. Now the text is about 2320 ch. That should be OK.--Nvvchar. 08:40, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Looks good. --Stone (talk) 10:13, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
1284 Yuan expedition to Sri Lanka
- The Chinese emperor Kublai Khan sent Marco Polo in 1284 on an expedition to Sri Lanka to acquire the tooth of Buddha, one of the holiest relics of Buddhism?
Created by User:Redtumor (talk). Self nom at 16:43, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Up to now it has only 600, but needs to have at least 1500 characters. --Stone (talk) 18:32, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
1971 Indian Ocean Vickers Viscount crash
- ... that, in 1971, 69 people were killed when the Vickers Viscount they were flying in crashed on approach to Minangkabau International Airport (pictured), Padang, Indonesia?
- Comment: Reviewed Rinaldo Cuneo
Created by Wackywace (talk). Self nom at 17:53, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Good to go. J Milburn (talk) 22:50, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- Was the plane a Vickers Viscount (75 passengers) or a Vickers Viking (3 passengers)? For a plane with 3 seats 69 death looks very odd !--Stone (talk) 08:46, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Whoops! Fixed. Thanks for noticing that! wackywace 10:34, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Wuhan Airlines Flight 343
- ... that in 2000, a Wuhan Airlines Xian Y-7 aircraft crashed in China, killing 51 people, after it was struck by lightning?
Created by Wackywace (talk). Self nom at 20:36, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: Reviewed Museum of Mosaics, Devnya
Passes muster as far as I can see. Nice job. — AlekJDS talk 08:04, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Breast cancer awareness
- ... that wearing a pink ribbon for breast cancer awareness has been denounced as a form of feel-good slacktivism that saves no lives?
Created by User:WhatamIdoing (talk). Self nom at 22:40, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Ref and length verafied, but it might be better if the hook sounds less like a direct quote. —focus 06:22, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- I'm not actually sure that the source does support the hook, or at least the "saves no lives" part. The focus of the source is more on how "pinkwashing" is more to do with corporate profits than helping solve a problem. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:16, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
As a side note, if DYK happens to need an image, then File:Pink ribbon.svg is an option. The icon is highly recognizable even at small sizes, and the image has a transparent background, so the file should be easy to use for this purpose. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:23, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 2
Otto Carpell and Efton James
- ... that halfback Otto Carpell (pictured) and ends Efton James and Curtis Redden were the three Michigan Wolverines football players killed while serving in the military during World War I?
Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 19:40, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- I reviewed Te Matua Ngahere. Cbl62 (talk) 19:40, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Barbara Newhall Follett
- ... that Wilson Follett's daughter Barbara Newhall Follett, who by age fourteen had published two novels to critical acclaim from luminaries such as H. L. Mencken, vanished forever into the night of December 7, 1939 at age twenty-five?
Created by Herostratus (talk), Nairebis (talk). Self nom at 04:00, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Barbara Newhall Follett, who by age fourteen had published two novels to critical acclaim, vanished forever into the night of December 7, 1939 at age twenty-five?
- Ucucha 08:30, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, ALT1 is fine, let's use that. I was just trying to get some other links into the hook, as I see most DYKs seem to have. Herostratus (talk) 15:54, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Lavoy Allen
- ... that, as a junior in 2009-10, Lavoy Allen became the first Temple basketball player to average a double-double since Ollie Johnson accomplished the feat in 1970-71?
Created by Editorofthewiki (talk). Self nom at 01:32, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Chengdu J-20
- Note: this is move to mainspace date. ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 01:49, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Length, date, and hook verified. - PM800 (talk) 02:33, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Chauncey McCormick, Hickory Hill (Glasgow, Virginia)
- ... that Chauncey McCormick and his cousin Robert bought the Hickory Hill estate more than a hundred years after it was built by their great grandfather?
- Comment: Yes, in the USA 100 years is a "long time".
Created by W Nowicki (talk). Self nom at 17:35, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Paul Calle, Grant McCune W Nowicki (talk) 21:27, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
That's two articles. Which one are you nominating? Rwxrwxrwx (talk) 22:48, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Both. Sorry, should have made it clear. I like to do nominations in batches with a single hook to help reduce the backlog. Chauncey McCormick is a new biography, and Hickory Hill (Glasgow, Virginia) is on a registered historic place that was built by his great grandfather. Robert's article is old. You need to make sure both articles have > 1500 characters, both created January 2, and have proper citations. No idea if it counts as one or two revies for you? W Nowicki (talk) 23:25, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- This is my first time getting involved in DYK reviews, so maybe somebody more experienced than me should take this on. Rwxrwxrwx (talk) 23:53, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Flora and Maria
- ... that Flora and Maria were the first two of nine female Christian Martyrs of Córdoba
Created by Mbz1 (talk). Nominated by ברוקולי (talk) at 06:11, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Lake Alexandrina, New Zealand
- ... that there are more male snails than females in the shallow waters of Lake Alexandrina, New Zealand (pictured), and that snails are sicker in the lake's shallower rather than deeper water?
- Comment: Reviewed Chateau Grand Traverse.
5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Nominated by Rosiestep (talk) at 04:19, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Added an img of the lake.--Nvvchar. 05:02, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Good to go Thelmadatter (talk) 03:04, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
List of outdoor ice hockey games
- ... that outdoor hockey games played in football, soccer and baseball stadiums have resulted in numerous attendance records, including a world record of 113,411 at an American college game?
Created by Resolute (talk). Self nom at 03:58, 3 January 2011 (UTC) (reviewed Pureora Forest Park from Jan 1 queue. Resolute 21:15, 3 January 2011 (UTC))
. Date, size, source verified. -- Lord Roem (talk) 21:10, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Tropical Storm Lidia (1981)
- ... that Tropical Storm Lidia was the deadliest tropical cyclone of the 1981 Pacific hurricane season?
- Comment: I (Miss Madeline) reviewed Carrier Strike Group Nine. This article was created in one of Yellow Evan's sandboxes. I wrote most of the prose, while he organized and changed the order of sentences and paragraph structure.
Created by Miss Madeline (talk), Yellow Evan (talk). Self nom at 03:46, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Chateau Grand Traverse
- ... that Chateau Grand Traverse produced Michigan's first commercial ice wine and the 1987 vintage was served at the presidential inauguration of George H. W. Bush (pictured)?
- Comment: Reviewed Bakersfield California Building. Hook in both lead and history section referenced to online source (FN#3) by the Michigan Department of Agriculture
Created by Agne27 (talk). Self nom at 01:26, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Length, date, hook's ref verified. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:27, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Gwebin
- ... that in 1929, a group of laborers discovered a 958 carat doubly truncated bipayramid sapphire in Gwebin which sold for £13,000 to a New York dealer who cut it into nine different sapphires?
Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 23:24, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Reviewed Sacred Heart Catholic Church (McCartyville, Ohio).♦ Dr. Blofeld 23:25, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Johnson-Corey-Chaykovsky reaction
- ... that the Johnson-Corey-Chaykovsky reaction has been employed in several notable total syntheses including the synthesis of paclitaxel (pictured) by Samuel J. Danishefsky?
5x expanded by Mdlevin (talk). Self nom at 23:18, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: I reviewed Winter (dolphin). Mdlevin (talk) 03:03, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- ... that the English Springer Spaniel Buster has a specially made pen to protect it from biological attack?
- Comment: I've reviewed Molasses Reef Wreck. Miyagawa (talk) 22:20, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Created by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 22:20, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Ref, date, length all check. Rlendog (talk) 02:32, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Edward Sarul
- ... that Polish athlete Edward Sarul became the first ever World Champion in the shot put in 1983 but missed the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics due to the Eastern Bloc boycott?
Created by Sillyfolkboy (talk). Self nom at 21:54, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Article length, date, hook length and citation all verified. Good article! Consider linking "World Champion in the shot put in 1983" to 1983 World Championships in Athletics – Men's shot put. Location (talk) 05:45, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Hubert Guerin
- ... that in 1944, the Holy See received an envoy from Charles de Gaulle's French Committee of National Liberation?
Created by Mkativerata (talk). Self nom at 20:26, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Wallblake House
Wallblake House
- ... that Wallblake House is reported to be the oldest structure on the island of Anguilla, built in 1787?
Created by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk) and Rosiestep (talk) . Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 18:51, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
I've reviewed 1877 Iquique earthquake below.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:54, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Hook, length, creation and all other matters check out. --Mkativerata (talk) 20:23, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
1877 Iquique earthquake
- ... that the hulk of the USS Wateree, stranded by the 1868 tsunami, was shifted several kilometres along the coast by the 1877 tsunami?
- ALT1:... that an earthquake similar to the Mw 8.8 1877 Iquique earthquake may hit northern Chile in the near future?
Created by Mikenorton (talk). Self nom at 18:29, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment Reviewed Roberto de la Madrid
Ref, hook and length verified. Good to go. Good job!♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:53, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Alexa Goddard
- ... that R&B singer Alexa Goddard's debut chart hit, a cover of "Turn My Swag On", topped the UK Indie Chart on its second week of release?
- ALT1:... that R&B singer Alexa Goddard featured on three consecutive winters tours of the progressive rock band Trans-Siberian Orchestra?
Created by A Thousand Doors (talk). Self nom at 18:14, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: ALT1 is probably more interesting, but I think the first hook is better sourced. A Thousand Doors (talk) 18:14, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- I replaced 's with {{`s}} per WP:Did you know/Additional rules#C7. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:41, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: I reviewed St Michael's Church, Burwell. A Thousand Doors (talk) 06:36, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Length, date, and source verified for the first hook. - PM800 (talk) 08:54, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Sampling frame
- ... that proper design of a sampling frame can be crucial in research?
Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 17:29, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Based on existing section, then significantly rewritten and expanded. Formerly a redirect, earlier - a one sentence stub. Since this is a self-nom, here's a review of another DYK: [3]. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 17:33, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Central Green Co. v. United States
- ... that the United States Supreme Court ruled in Central Green Co. v. United States that the term 'flood waters' includes accidental flooding from a canal?
Created by Lord Roem (talk). Self nom at 15:15, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
All checks out. It appears that Lord Roem doesn't have five DYK credits yet, so the new rule doesn't apply. Moonraker2 (talk) 05:29, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Just
twothree so far. Cheers, Lord Roem (talk) 17:14, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Just
List of international cricket centuries by Jacques Kallis
- ... that Jacques Kallis has scored more Test centuries than any other South African cricketer?
- Comment: I reviewed Clare Maguire. Harrias talk 11:58, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Created by Harrias (talk). Self nom at 11:58, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Verified. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 19:54, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
El Fonoll
- ... that the ancient Catalonian village of El Fonoll was rebuilt as a naturist resort?
Created by Rwxrwxrwx (talk). Self nom at 11:24, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Antoine Vollon, Thomcord (grape), and Jo Tong Sop, below. Rwxrwxrwx (talk) 13:11, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Good to go. Spongie555 (talk) 04:47, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Thomcord (grape)
- ... that the Thomcord grape (pictured), a seedless hybrid of the Concord and Thompson Seedless grapes, underwent 17 years of testing before being declared ready for growers and gardeners?
Created by Visionholder (talk). Self nom at 10:22, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- I reviewed Griftopia, and will monitor it for fixes. – VisionHolder « talk » 10:25, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1: "... that the Thomcord grape (pictured), a seedless hybrid of the Concord and Thompson Seedless grapes, quickly became a hit at farmers' markets and may appear in supermarkets soon?" — take your pick. – VisionHolder « talk » 10:25, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Looks good, ready to go. I prefer the first hook; the second seems a bit speculative. Rwxrwxrwx (talk) 13:25, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Very cool article on a table grape. I have an idea for an Alt that may attract some attention for readers who have had Concord or Thompson Seedless before. AgneCheese/Wine 00:02, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Alt2 "... that the Thomcord grape (pictured), a seedless hybrid of the Concord and Thompson Seedless grapes, has a similar taste of Concord but a much more edible skin like Thompson Seedless?"
- I support this hook as well. – VisionHolder « talk » 13:26, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Antoine Vollon
- ... that a reviewer wrote that Mound of Butter (pictured) by Antoine Vollon looks so real that it might have been painted with butter itself?
Created/expanded by SusanLesch (talk). Self nom at 08:12, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Juan Solano. -SusanLesch (talk) 08:18, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Great article, has everything for a DYK. Rwxrwxrwx (talk) 13:09, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Juan Solano
- ... that although Juan Solano came to South America to be the bishop of Cuzco, he first joined the Spanish army and fought at the Battle of Jaquijahuana?
Created by Alekjds (talk). Self nom at 07:54, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Wuhan Airlines Flight 343. — AlekJDS talk 08:05, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Fascinating. Ready to go. -SusanLesch (talk) 08:17, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Art of Azerbaijani ashiqs
- ... that in 2009, Art of Azerbaijani ashiqs is included in UNESCO's Intangible Cultural Heritage list and includes up to 3000 ashiqs worldwide?
Created by --NovaSkola (talk) 07:10, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Article should be listed as "expansion" rather than "new", comes to ~9x expansion (by my count). Added one more source for the hook, but neither of them mention the second fact, (about 3000 Ashiqs). Everything else is fine. SPat talk 15:32, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Miracles (Jefferson Starship song)
- ... that songwriter Marty Balin said that "Miracles", which became Jefferson Starship's biggest hit single, was originally perceived by the other band members as "pretty weird"?
Created by Metropolitan90 (talk). Self nom at 06:05, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- I reviewed Varetta Dillard under December 31. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:05, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Long enough, new enough, hook length OK and sourced fine. Can't believe there was no article on this till now. — AjaxSmack 06:47, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- I honestly felt like there was an article on this before but this is an awesome hook for an awesome song! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:33, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Jo Tong Sop
- ... that Jo Tong Sop is the current head coach of the North Korea national football team?
Created by Spongie555 (talk). Self nom at , 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- I reviewed Drove Cottage Henge which is the nomination under mine. Spongie555 (talk) 05:43, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Not sure the hook is catchy enough, but I can't come up with anything better myself. Perhaps something about the alleged public shaming might work? Rwxrwxrwx (talk) 14:23, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- DYK Koji Gyotoku has the same hook but different team and it was accepted. Spongie555 (talk) 00:25, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- This article includes a lot of padding to get it to 1500 characters, so maybe try to find some more information about this person. And Rwxrwxrwx is right that the hook isn't very impressive. Just because a subpar hook was accepted in the past doesn't mean it always has to be. - PM800 (talk) 14:49, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Due to North Korea's secretive nature there is limited sources on him and most is about him coaching and nothing about his personal life. Also yes the hook isn't impressive but I can't think of another so I'm open to any other hooks. Spongie555 (talk) 21:16, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- DYK Koji Gyotoku has the same hook but different team and it was accepted. Spongie555 (talk) 00:25, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Drove Cottage Henge
- ... that Drove Cottage Henge is around 54 metres (177 ft) in diameter, yet it is hard to see because repeated ploughing has heavily damaged it?
Created by Reaper Eternal (talk). Self nom at 03:07, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- I reviewed Fleet racing. Reaper Eternal (talk) 03:16, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Good to go just take off the stub icon on the bottom Spongie555 (talk) 05:42, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
List of birds of Pennsylvania
- ... that 407 species of birds have been recorded in Pennsylvania (Ruffed Grouse, the state bird, pictured), including four that are extirpated and two that are extinct?
Created by Focus (talk). Self nom at 04:53, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- I reviewed December 2010 Rabbi Letter Controversies, although I probably didn't have to since I only have 3 DYKs. —focus 04:53, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Article meets all DYK criteria. Added the name of the state bird to the DYK for clarity. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 05:34, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks —focus 06:16, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Changed "which" to "that" for grammar. Nyttend (talk) 13:21, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks —focus 06:16, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Winter (dolphin)
- ... that the story of Winter, a dolphin with a prosthetic tail, is being made into a September 2011 film?
Created by Focus (talk). Self nom at 23:28, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
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Length, hook, and reference verified. Interesting DYK. Mdlevin (talk) 03:01, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Update: I linked dolphin. —focus 15:48, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 3
Shark fin trading in Costa Rica
- ... that British chef Gordon Ramsay, who was threatened at gunpoint whilst filming in Costa Rica described the illegal Shark fin trading (pictured) in the country as "a multi-billion dollar industry"?
Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk), Rosiestep (talk),. Self nom at 15:26, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- Added an img--Nvvchar. 16:18, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Date, length and sources checked. An interesting and sad story that deserves Main Page attention. Cbl62 (talk) 20:02, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Te Matua Ngahere
- ... that Te Matua Ngahere (pictured) is believed to be the second largest living kauri tree, and to have the biggest girth of any kauri in New Zealand?
5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 13:06, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Date, five-fold expansion and sources all check out. Cbl62 (talk) 19:28, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Mikea Forest
- ... that the Mikea Forest, one of the largest remaining forest blocks in southwestern Madagascar, is not protected?
- ALT1:... that two mammal species, Macrotarsomys petteri and Microgale jenkinsae, occur only in the Mikea Forest of southwestern Madagascar?
- ALT2:... that only two of Madagascar's 27 threatened species of bird do not occur in any protected area, and both occur in the Mikea Forest?
- Comment: I reviewed Barbara Newhall Follett above.
Created by Visionholder (talk), Ucucha (talk). Nominated by Ucucha (talk) at 08:34, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Angangueo
- ... that the town of Angangueo, Mexico was nearly moved completely because of landslides and flooding in February 2010?
5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 03:01, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
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source and 5x expansion check out J04n(talk page) 03:07, 4 January 2011 (UTC)-hook also checks out. J04n(talk page) 10:53, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Chuck McCoy (Canadian radio)
- ... that Chuck McCoy was inducted into the Canadian Music Industry Hall of Fame in 2008?
Created by J04n (talk). Self nom at 02:40, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Angangueo J04n(talk page) 03:07, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
It's long enough, new enough, and the cited hook checks out. Well done. — AlekJDS talk 05:28, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Blue Sulphur Springs Pavilion
- ... that the Blue Sulphur Springs Pavilion is the only surviving building from the Blue Sulphur Springs Resort, a mineral spa visited by U.S. Presidents Andrew Jackson and Martin Van Buren?
Created by TheCatalyst31 (talk). Self nom at 02:00, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: I reviewed Wojciech Giertych below.
Length, reference, and hook verified. Patriarca12 (talk) 02:46, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Wojciech Giertych
- ... that as theologian to the Pontifical Household, Fr. Wojciech Giertych provides advice to the Pope on theological issues?
Created by Alekjds (talk). Self nom at 21:37, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Shwenyaungbin below. — AlekJDS talk 21:44, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Length, reference, and hook verified. Looks good to go. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 01:54, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Shwenyaungbin
- ... that during the Sino–Burmese War (1765–1769), the Qing army built a massive stockade, described as being "as big as a city" at Shwenyaungbin?
Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 21:26, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Nicely done. May I suggest a slight modification to the hook so that it reads: "... that during the 1765 Sino–Burmese War, the Qing army built a stockade, described as being "as big as a city", at Shwenyaungbin?" I think it reads easier without the parenthetical date, and the "massive"-ness of the stockage is implied by its being "as big as a city". — AlekJDS talk 21:43, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Another suggested Alt hook: "... that during the 1765 Sino–Burmese War the Qing army built a stockade "as big as a city" at Shwenyaungbin?" (note: I assume AlekJDS verified the quote; this reads easier and the inverted commas make the 'described as' rather redundant). --jjron (talk) 15:03, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
I'm fine with whatever you suggest.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:27, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Groningen gas field
- ... that the Groningen gas field (location pictured) is the largest natural gas field in Europe and the tenth largest in the world?
Created/expanded by Bine Mai (talk). Self nom at 20:06, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: I reviewed Ghorband District below.
- Nice to read. I added a few things to the talk page, and a little bit more about the geology might help.--Stone (talk) 21:12, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Ghorband District
- ... that in November 2010 it was reported that two Iranian Secret Intelligence agents arrived in Ghorband District and were accused by the US of helping insurgents to attack coalition forces?
- Comment: I reviewed Macrotarsomys petteri below.
Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Afghanpolicy27 (talk). Self nom at 18:04, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Good to go. BineMai 19:16, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Macrotarsomys petteri
- ... that the range of the rodent Macrotarsomys petteri is believed to have shifted as a result of climatic change?
- Comment: I reviewed La Lutte (newspaper) below.
Created by Ucucha (talk). Self nom at 17:41, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't a DYK be a solid fact? This seems very vague..♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:06, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Solid facts are rare. DYK facts are required to be verifiable, not solid, as far as I know. Ucucha 18:35, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- And indeed, the fact used here seems similar in nature to the "it was reported" hook you proposed right above here. Ucucha 18:36, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Tweaked the hook for better phrasing and readability. AGF on subscription-required sources. Should be good to go. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:50, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- And indeed, the fact used here seems similar in nature to the "it was reported" hook you proposed right above here. Ucucha 18:36, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Solid facts are rare. DYK facts are required to be verifiable, not solid, as far as I know. Ucucha 18:35, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
St Nicholas' Church, Feltwell
- ... that St Nicholas' Church, Feltwell, Norfolk, (pictured) is unusual in being broader than it is long?
- Comment: Reviewed Paul Calle
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 17:16, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Size, date and length verified with cite for hook fact. -- Lord Roem (talk) 17:28, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
La Lutte (newspaper)
- ... that between 1933 and 1937 the Indochinese Communist Party had a unique cooperation with Vietnamese Trotskyists with the joint publication La Lutte?
Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 16:41, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment, I reviewed Philip M. Breedlove under December 31. --Soman (talk) 18:19, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Length, date, and hook confirmed; article looks good. Ucucha 17:39, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
2010 Indian Onion Crisis
- ... that demonstrators in New Delhi wore garlands made of onions to protest against the rise in onion prices in India?
Created by SPat (talk). Self nom at 15:42, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that in December 2010, the price of onion in India rose from ₹35 (42¢ US) to ₹85 (US$1.00) per kg in the period of one week?
- Comment: I reviewed Art of Azerbaijani ashiqs above. SPat talk 15:42, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Length, time, and ref verified. I tend to prefer the first hook. —focus 21:13, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: Tweaked hook#1. SPat talk 04:41, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Jenny Lind Tower
- ... that although it is thought that the Jenny Lind Tower was moved to its present location by an admirer of the late singer, the mover was born seventeen years after she toured the United States?
- Comment: I reviewed the article Patience and Sarah (opera) below.
Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 07:31, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
The length and references check out (I'm assuming they stand up to whatever notability criteria we have for places/buildings, which I'm not familiar with - there's also Google Books), but the hook is a bit convoluted. It could, instead, be about the performance...? Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 07:46, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Sure, go ahead and fix it if you want. Kevin Rutherford (talk)`
- Something like "... that opera singer Jenny Lind is rumored to have climbed the Jenny Lind Tower in North Truro, Massachusetts and prevented a riot by singing to the public below?" Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 20:21, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Go for it! I wasn't sure if that would work but it sounds better than the original. Thanks for your help. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:53, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Patience and Sarah (opera)
- ... that Patience and Sarah has been called the first lesbian opera?
Created by Roscelese (talk). Self nom at 07:17, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: I have too few DYK credits to be required to review, but I hope to help out once I figure out how it works. Alas, I also have no fair use pictures for this nomination. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 07:17, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
The sources and length check out just fine. Thank you for your hard work. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 07:31, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Papal conclave, 1740
- ... that the Conclave of 1740 elected Benedict XIV (pictured) after he advised them "If you wish to elect a saint, choose Gotti; a statesman, Aldrovandi; an honest man, me"?
- Comment: I revieved Central Green Co. v. United States
Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 05:35, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Date, size, and cite verified. -- Lord Roem (talk) 17:24, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Bhutanese legislation
- ... that in the case of budget bills and urgent matters, a bill must be passed in the same session of Parliament in Bhutan?
Created by JFHJr (talk). Nominated by Spongie555 (talk) at , 3 January, 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: I reviwed El Fonoll nomination under January 2. Spongie555 (talk) 04:49, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Please do specify the country in the hook. Ucucha 17:42, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- I don't understand this comment. It wouldn't make sense without the country. --jjron (talk) 14:55, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- Please do specify the country in the hook. Ucucha 17:42, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
2010 Okhaldhunga aircraft crash
- ... that a de Havilland Canada DHC-6 Twin Otter (sister aircraft pictured) crashed five minutes after taking off from Lamidanda Airport, Nepal, last month?
- Comment: Reviewed Enid A. Haupt
Created by Wackywace (talk). Self nom at 21:14, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Question What where the nationalities of the passengers? Every news article I read about the crash always had different nationalities like Bhutanese to Nepalese and American. Spongie555 (talk) 21:25, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 4
St Barbara's Church, Haceby
- ... that above the chancel arch of St Barbara's Church, Haceby, Lincolnshire, (pictured) are the Royal arms of Queen Anne on top of a medieval Doom painting?
- Comment: Reviewed Hyacinthe-Marie Cormier
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 18:09, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Date, length and sourcing all check out. Cbl62 (talk) 19:12, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Five articles
- ... that the Romanian company Grup Servicii Petroliere owns five jackup independent leg cantilever drilling rigs namely Atlas, Jupiter, Orizont, Prometeu and Saturn?
Created by Bine Mai (talk). Self nom at 17:28, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: Reviewed Chloe Hosking below
Chloe Hosking
- ...that Australian professional road racing cyclist Chloe Hosking (pictured) started competitive cycling after injuring herself rock climbing when she was twelve?
Created by jjron (talk). Self nom at 14:36, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: I reviewed Vincent Kosuga
Ref and hook checks out. BineMai 17:27, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Tryvandsbanen, Tryvandshøiden (station)
- ... that the company Tryvandsbanen was established solely for the purpose of expanding the Holmenkollen Line 800 m from Frognerseteren Station to Tryvandshøiden Station?
- ALT1:... that the company Holmenkolbanen planned making Tryvann a "Davos of the North" in the 1930s, and therefore expanded the Holmenkollen Line to the newly constructed Tryvandshøiden Station?
Created by Eisfbnore (talk). Self nom at 14:07, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
1954 Cotton Bowl Classic
- ... that Dicky Moegle was awarded a touchdown for Rice in the 1954 Cotton Bowl Classic after Tommy Lewis entered the field of play from the Alabama sideline to tackle him?
- Comment: Reviewed Blue Sulphur Springs Pavilion
Created by Patriarca12 (talk). Self nom at 12:51, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Length, date, and source verified. - PM800 (talk) 16:23, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
List of year-end number-one singles (New Zealand)
- ... that rapper Scribe has had two year-end number-one singles in New Zealand?
- Comment: Reviewed It's Sad to Belong
Created by Adabow (talk). Self nom at 11:04, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Cachorro López
- ... that record producer Cachorro López co-wrote "Color Esperanza", a song performed in Argentina back to back with the national anthem?
Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 09:40, 4 January 2011 (UTC). Self nom at 09:37, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- it needs 500 more characters (c. 120 words) of referenced pure text (ie no bullets or tables) to qualify. You also need to mention and reference the national anthem if the hook above is going to work. However... welcome, don't give up, it look like a go-er Victuallers (talk) 17:35, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
It's Sad to Belong
- ... that a song by England Dan & John Ford Coley, "It's Sad to Belong", topped the adult contemporary chart for five weeks in 1977?
5x expanded by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 08:25, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: I reviewed Alexa Goddard. - PM800 (talk) 09:31, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Ready. Adabow (talk · contribs) 11:04, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Polad Bülbüloğlu
- ... that Polad Bülbüloğlu, an Azerbaijani singer, actor, politician and diplomat, won the Russian Order of Friendship and numerous other national awards in FSU states?
5x expanded by Ynhockey (talk). Self nom at 05:48, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Пpoвepявшo (I think that's how you say "verified" in Russian). Daniel Case (talk) 18:11, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Hyacinthe-Marie Cormier
- ... that Blessed Hyacinthe-Marie Cormier was such a talented organist that Franz Liszt declared him to be a "master of the art"?
Created by Alekjds (talk). Self nom at 05:22, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Chuck McCoy. — AlekJDS talk 05:29, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- ..(alt)... that Liszt declared organist Hyacinthe-Marie Cormier a "master of the art", but the Pope said he was a saint?
- Less reverence, but maybe you'll like the alt Victuallers (talk) 17:41, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
DYK criteria met. I cannot find the ref online, but accepted IGF. I prefer the original hook; it's straightforward and IMO sufficiently interesting.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 18:00, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Special occasion holding area
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- Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools' Day 2011 - see Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.
6 January 2011, Epiphany
Sie werden aus Saba alle kommen, BWV 65
- ... that instruments in Bach's cantata for Epiphany (pictured), Sie werden aus Saba alle kommen (They will all come from Sheba), have been compared to the salamiya and zurna?
- Comment: for 6 January, date of the first performance on the feast in 1724
- I reviewed St Martin's Church, Colchester.
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 09:57, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Good to go. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 01:36, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
9 January 2011, Sunday after Epiphany
Mein liebster Jesus ist verloren, BWV 154
- ... that Bach's cantata Mein liebster Jesus ist verloren, BWV 154, first performed on 9 January 1724, "contains a graphic evocation of ear drumming", according to Gardiner?
- Comment: for 9 January 2011, First Sunday after Epiphany - I reviewed Gottlob Espenlaub, knowing that "the thing" is not yet on, but practising.
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 17:43, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
Fine; DYK criteria all met.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 16:56, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Court of Appeal of Singapore
- ... that a Singapore Subordinate Court criminal case appealed to the High Court cannot be further appealed to the Court of Appeal, but questions of law can be referred to that Court for determination?
Created by Jacklee (talk). Self nom at 17:38, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- The information in the hook is supported by footnotes 53 and 69–74. The Court of Appeal was established on 9 January 1970 so unfortunately we missed its 40th anniversary, but perhaps we can celebrate its 41st by having the hook appear on 9 January 2011? — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 17:40, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- (I've reviewed and approved "1st Provisional Marine Brigade".) — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 18:09, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
, meets requirements and appears well-resourced article. Cheers! -- Lord Roem (talk) 18:21, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Jersey City Armory
- ...in a 1979 fundraiser at the Jersey City Armory (pictured) then Mayor of Jersey City Thomas F. X. Smith challenged Muhammed Ali, then World Heavyweight Champion, to an exhihition bout, and went three rounds before a crowd of 8,000?
5x expanded by Djflem (talk). Self nom at 13:32, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- Worked Batavia Club, whihc appeared Jan 4
See also
- User:AlexNewArtBot/GoodSearchResult – This is an automated list of promising new articles generated by AlexNewArtBot (talk · contribs · logs).