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I think my comments at Talk:Political positions of Mitt Romney#Trimming too much can be addressed now. The drama with Still-IP is over there (and moved on to other venues, apparently). Wasted Time R (talk) 01:25, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I posted a reply for you there, I'm sure you'll find it. Really, when I was working on the article I was mainly concerned with the very worst of the messes. I totally understand that not everybody would fix them the same way I would. My beef was with somebody reverting my changes in bulk on flimsy grounds, and then demanding that I justify my own changes in fine detail (with no intention of accepting any explanation I offered, regardless of how detailed it was). Belchfire-TALK 02:37, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Tacoma Speedway

On 8 August 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Tacoma Speedway, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Tacoma Speedway (pictured) had a dangerous reputation among drivers because of flying gravel and splinters? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Tacoma Speedway. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Orlady (talk) 16:02, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You lucky dog! 6631 pageviews! On your first time at bat you make it into DYKSTATS! Well done! Now that you've made DYKSTATS are you going to Disneyland?– Sir Lionel, EG^(talk) 05:20, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your first barnstar--well deserved

		The Exceptional Newcomer Award
		Congrats on the DYK for Tacoma Speedway! Let me also thank you for your hard work helping to keep Wikipedia neutral in the face of relentless POV pushing. Keep up the great work. – Sir Lionel, EG^(talk) 05:15, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Informing you

This message is to inform you that you came up in a discussion on the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#News. Viewmont Viking (talk) 08:49, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Minor edits

It's my opinion that the minor-edit function is completely useless anyway because so many people misuse it to mark non-minor edits as minor, but I'll nevertheless inform you that your edit to Mitt Romney dog incident isn't minor, nor is it a "copy-edit"; you added text and information. Theoldsparkle (talk) 14:31, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is an awfully nit-picky complaint. I didn't mark it as a minor; you will notice the lack of an "m". I reworded some broken grammar. It didn't rise to the level of "expanding article" in my estimation. You're free to hold a different opinion, of course. Yes, the minor edit function is pretty useless. If Wikipedia wasn't running on Fred Flintstone software, these things would be detected and categorized automatically. Belchfire-TALK 16:02, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I admit, I thought you had marked it as minor, and I was mistaken; nonetheless, I don't see how this can be described as "rewording broken grammar" or why you would describe it as copy-editing instead of "adding mention of Obama's book" or something. Theoldsparkle (talk) 19:52, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I did both. I fixed broken grammar AND added mention of Obama's book. I didn't misrepresent it as minor edit. An edit summary is just that: a summary. Yeah, I did leave something out inadvertently. It was originally a copy-edit (for grammar). I started out by fixing the awkward sentence, did a preview, decided more work was needed and added the book title, then did a save without updating the summary. My bad. I hope this helps. Belchfire-TALK 20:29, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Templating the regulars

This is exactly the type of thing that is referred to in the essay Wikipedia:Don't template the regulars. In addition, the template you used was meant for vandalism. Ryan Vesey 04:19, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Without trying to argue whether it was the correct template, I will say that no, that is definitely not a vandalism template. And also, see WP:TR. Belchfire-TALK 04:31, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize for that mixup. The disruption template is very similar to the old vandalism one. In either case, I meant that the warning in this case unambiguously qualified for don't template the regulars. In addition, notice that WP:TR says "Be prepared to stand behind your template". You hatted the discussion below. It may be appropriate to hat comments from an editor who you have asked to stay away; however, you should always be open to discussion of your edits. Ryan Vesey 04:57, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Belchfire, you just reverted[1] an edit I made after days of discussion and with full consensus. This is bad. What's worse is your edit comment, which has some false accusations: "Again, there is no consensus to include this. Please do not edit disruptively." It's one thing to say you disagree, another to accuse me of editing disruptively, particularly given the extended discussion, the lack any response to my final comment, and the fact that I added citations. Even worse, you placed this[2] false notice, accusing me of unconstructive editing. Edits that restore material with citations are inherently constructive. For all of these reasons, I consider your notice to be false and counterproductive, so I am removing it. Do not repeat this error. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 04:26, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You have a highly selective understanding of the word "consensus". Now please stay off my Talk. Belchfire-TALK 04:32, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I came here to make this comment not knowing that Still had commented as well. Belchfire, you are really allowing your opinions and emotions to get the better of you here. I will agree that Still made a change that did not have consensus; however, upon review, I don't see consensus against it. Your comments against it had to do with the quality of the writing and the Colbert source. No offense meant to Still, I believe it could have been written better, but that is not a reason to remove material. The Colbert source was not included. Instead, a book (among other sources) was used that devoted an entire chapter to views of Jesus as a liberal. For now, I will restore the material so that it can be improved there, rather than talked about behind the scenes. Ryan Vesey 04:40, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm getting a little tired of being followed around and harassed by this other editor, quite frankly, and when he behaves in a manner that disrupts Wikipedia, I think somebody needs to speak up about it. He shows up at an article, makes an absurdly POV edit, engages in discussion long enough to be told by 3-4-5-6 people that he's FOS, then he declares that consensus agrees with him, and acts indignant when he gets reverted. And now you've appointed yourself to be his latest enabler. Well that's just swell. When you have this guy showing up to edit articles purely because you have edited there recently, maybe you'll understand. Until then, you ought to think long and hard about butting in. Belchfire-TALK 05:07, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What makes me his enabler? I agreed with him on one issue. I will be clear that he is not my favorite editor and he has made his similar opinion of me clear. Ryan Vesey 12:56, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

DYK Nomination

a heads up on refactoring talk page comments

Just as a note: per WP:TALK, refactoring of off-topic comments (e.g. those pertaining to the subject of an article rather than its treatment in the article itself), such as those at Talk:Chick-fil-a, IS allowed. While you're all correct in pointing out that this is not a forum, we do not have forum mods, etc., it is acceptable to remove comments from the talk page that are the author's personal views on the subject of the article with no relation to how that subject is presented on Wikipedia. ⇒SWATJester ^{Son of the Defender} 09:57, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That wasn't refactoring of off-topic comments. That was censorship of an opinion distasteful to the person(s) doing the removal. Belchfire-TALK 15:29, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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+== a heads up on refactoring talk page comments ==
+Just as a note: per [[WP:TALK]], refactoring of off-topic comments (e.g. those pertaining to the subject of an article rather than its treatment in the article itself), such as those at [[Talk:Chick-fil-a]], '''IS''' allowed. While you're all correct in pointing out that this is not a forum, we do not have forum mods, etc., it is acceptable to remove comments from the talk page that are the author's personal views on the subject of the article with no relation to how that subject is presented on Wikipedia. [[User:Swatjester|<font color="red">&rArr;</font>]][[User_talk:Swatjester|<font face="Euclid Fraktur"><font color="black">SWAT</font><font color="goldenrod">Jester</font></font>]] [[WP:DC|<small><sup>Son of the Defender</sup></small>]] 09:57, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
+:That wasn't refactoring of off-topic comments.  That was censorship of an opinion distasteful to the person(s) doing the removal.  [[User:Belchfire|'''<tt><span style="color:black">Belch</span><span style="color:red">fire</span></tt>''']]-[[User_talk:Belchfire|<span style="color:black"><small>'''TALK'''</small></span>]] 15:29, 13 August 2012 (UTC)