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Welcome to the talk page --Hu12 (talk) 00:47, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

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Is this the correct location to raise concerns about a possible conflict of interest? --Heraldic 12:10, 27 December 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heraldic (talk • contribs)

Best place for reporting COI is Wikipedia:COI/N. Cheers--Hu12 (talk) 12:24, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Copacabana

Why the hell did you delete my entry in the discussion in the Copacabana article? That was uncalled for. Rsazevedo (talk) 13:51, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

must have got removed in the move. sorry, repost--Hu12 (talk) 13:55, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

[King David Isle of Man Sale of Titles]

Pardon the intrusion once again. I'm writing you in the hopes of avoiding an edit war between myself and user Heraldic. You are the most senior editor on this page and I was looking for your feedback.

The following is an uncited statement under the heading Sale of Titles, There is no historical evidence that the Kings or Lords of Man ever granted noble titles.

I requested that this be cited and user Heraldic reverted the edit saying, You cannot request evidence that something does not exist. Howe should provide detail

I'm thinking that this statement uncited is against WP:V. Your thoughts?--Lazydown (talk) 14:19, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I jumped in and made this edit. a statement of that nature should be cited, however there probably is no historical evidence that the Kings or Lords of Man ever granted noble titles. Thus removed. This should satisfy Neutrality. --Hu12 (talk) 14:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

User Newguy34, on my talk page, has accused me of fabricating the following source, Ancestry.com. One World Tree, Thomas Stanley II to David Drew Howe, on line database. Provo, Utah. The Generations Network, Inc., retrieved 27, December When I explained that anyone could get a free trial and follow the names on the pedigree as I did, he then claimed that Howe falsely added his name into the pedigree on Ancestry.com. I explained to him that his pedigree was part of the OneWorldTree project and it was peer reviewed. I think this is in extremely poor taste and opens up Wikipedia to serious libel problems allowing him to continue with his rants and false accusations and deleting verifiable third-party citations. Any suggestions?--Lazydown (talk) 17:20, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

If its availiable through a link to be verified add one, if requires a registration or trial, create a section on the talk page and text dump the relevant part(don't edit but keep it a reasonble size). Yea i know what I've said before, but much like this case there are exceptions. Remember the responsibility for justifying inclusion of any content rests firmly with the editor seeking to include it.--Hu12 (talk) 17:32, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I removed the section on history of claims, noble titles and micronations. It seems to go against WP:BLP and WP:COATRACK. I cited both as a reason. I know it will probably get reverted by the ususual suspects but the article is really being skewed towards the negative. I've left some comments on the BLP notice board but it doesn't seem to be getting much attention. If it continues this way it should be deleted altogther.--Lazydown (talk) 19:49, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I have left my response (I guess I'm elevated to a "usual suspect") on the article's talk page. The unilateral deletion was wholly inappropriate, IMO. Newguy34 (talk) 20:08, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

To date, Lazydown has not posted the suggested material on the article's talk page. IYO, should it be deleted as a source? Newguy34 (talk) 20:59, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Ancestry.com as a reliable source?

I can not see how Ancestry.com can be used as a reliable source, but in the end, it's for all of us to decide. From a NYT article on the site, "Ancestry.com — the most widely used — is the flagship site of Generations Network in Provo, Utah, .. has free content, including a family tree maker, but also lets users search immigration, census and military records for fees that depend on the level of records sought."

From All Things Digital, "Each person on a family tree has his or her own page with a life-events timeline and the records that you attach to the profile [emphasis added]."

From Ancestry.com's site, "Note: Ancestry World Tree GEDCOM files are voluntarily submitted by Ancestry users like yourself. We take all files "as is" and cannot guarantee the completeness, accuracy, or timeliness of the information contained in this database. We regret we cannot assist you in your personal research or prevent duplication of data. Our goal is to provide these user-contributed files to aid you in finding and/or correcting your family information."

Anscestry.com is clearly a "do-it-yourself" geneaology website. I can find no evidence that there is any peer reviewing of thie information. Your thoughts? Newguy34 (talk) 21:53, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes it should be left out. Because the responsibility for justifying inclusion of any content rests firmly with the editor seeking to include it, and withought discussion or text to even verify to reach consensus, it should not be included until its verified. From the Anscestry.com quote I very much doubt, it can be considered a WP:RS.--Hu12 (talk) 08:00, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your thoughts Hu12. I see that the reference has been removed. Best, Newguy34 (talk) 15:41, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Question about info box

Greetings! I'm curious about the box to the right in my biography page. I've read through some of the edits and the feeling seemed to be that my connection as a direct descendant of Thomas II could not be included because there was no source that could be used. However, the box is marked with the disclaimer "Claim lacks independent verification". It also lists my parents, wife and child, all of which lack independent verification. Would it not be sufficent then to also list my connection to Thomas II given that the disclaimer is posted? Thank you for your time and attention. David Howe--70.17.223.254 (talk) 15:17, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello. One would think, given that assertion. However your family has recieved independent verification by proxy of media coverage. As I'm sure you have noticed, it seems to be a contentious fact. As with any page, they are never complete and there is never a final draft. No rush. I would however recommend you register an account and participate on the talk page. Also it would be helpful to upload your Armorial bearings or relevent images (all of which would need to assert public domain, fair use, or a free license), for the article. Obviosly thats all up to you. Either way you participation is welcome, and don't be discouraged by detractors.--Hu12 (talk) 15:50, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Perhaps I will sign up. I'm not too bothered by the detractors. They exist and I don't believe in siliencing anyone for their opinions, even if I disagree. I've maintained from the start of my claim that the only people with any genuine knowledge and insite in to my claim have all been dead a very long time. Everything else is speculation. I appreciate your interest in presenting a neutral perspective. Regards, David.--70.17.223.254 (talk) 16:37, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

How do I go about uploading the arms and any pictures? And, I imagine that I can't add these to the page myself, correct? Thanks, David--Kingofmann (talk) 18:15, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Added images

Thanks for the welcome. I just uploaded my picture, arms, badge and monogram for use.--Kingofmann (talk) 19:12, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Good, myself or any of the other editors can add them into the article. You can add them to the articles talk page if you like, no policies against that. Image bots might leave messages for "rationales", so be sure they are sourced accordingly. I'll have look. cheers--Hu12 (talk) 19:20, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I've added them to Talk:David_Howe_(claimant_to_King_of_Mann)#Images. --Hu12 (talk) 19:57, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

On second thought, how can I delete my photo? Sorry to be a pest, but I have a feeling that this one will be used imporperly.--Kingofmann (talk) 20:13, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Done. I've deleted it and cited your request above.--Hu12 (talk) 20:22, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Realizing that I don't want to see my arms on a bottle of beer that I'm not going to get royalties on, is there any way to display them on Wikipedia under limited rights so they are still protected?--Kingofmann (talk) 19:32, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

His claim to be King of Mann

I noticed that a person going by "Heraldic" made an edit today noting a possible flaw in my Gazette notice regarding the date of the grant to King John I. In the interest of a neutral article, I address this issue at www.hmkingdavid.homestead.com/basis.html, linked through the news page in the body of the copy of my claim. I'm not suggesting you have to do anything with that, but obviously I'm not supposed to be making edits to my own biography here. Thanks,--Kingofmann (talk) 20:06, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Bringing it up on the talk page would be appropriate. More info on COI Wikipedia:COI#Editors_who_may_have_a_conflict_of_interest--Hu12 (talk) 20:15, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

SPA?

I am curious about your designation [1] here that 151.204.231.247 is a Single Purpose Account. Upon looking at the uesrs contributions Special:Contributions/151.204.231.247, i noticed that the editor seemed to be an editor who had just begun on wikipedia. However, the editor had made only one edit relating to the upcoming 2008 elections. He had made many other edits to other articles about other topics. I find the notion that he could be a Single Purpose Account very questionable. Please explain why you added this designation or i will remove the tag. Perpetualization (talk) 20:59, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Edit- additionally, Hkball said in his post on that page that "This is my first Wiki contribution, though I have been a fan for years". Editors commonly focus on one article or one style of article at a time, and when that article is good, they continue to edit other articles. Perpetualization (talk) 21:04, 27 December 2007 (UTC) ignore my edit please. Perpetualization (talk) 21:10, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

An anon IP from from this Verizon Internet hotspot is in all probability not a single user and appears to be multiple anons, note the gaps and irregularities in edits.--Hu12 (talk) 07:49, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Knataka

Hi there. As suggested by you, I've put a section in the noticeboard a few times, although somehow, the section on this user has always been overlooked. I've adjusted the title and hope it isn't ignored this time. Maybe you could go through it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Sock-puppetry.2C_Vandalism.2C_Creation_of_Multiple_User_Names

Thanks heaps. Ncmvocalist (talk) 01:44, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, seems no one bothered on the noticeboard. It does seem to have stopped(for now), however if it continues i'll pursue it. thanks again for the follow-up. cheers--Hu12 (talk) 17:18, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Jaws_Renovation.jpg

This image isn't fair use. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.234.215.101 (talk) 01:29, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

also the Jaws part of this article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Studios_Studio_Tour_%28Hollywood%29 needs to be removed, was extracted from blacklisted site. the text is not allowed to be reproduced on this site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.234.215.101 (talk) 01:35, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Neko Rahmen + Vuze

Thank you for your ongoing efforts to improve Wikipedia. I have a question and comment. I've noticed that you removed the link to Vuze's official Neko Rahmen channel from the Neko Rahmen wikipedia entry.

1. (cur) (last) 23:28, 28 December 2007 Hu12 (Talk | contribs) (3,744 bytes) (→External links - rvt) (undo)
   

What is the standard for the official anime company links to the anime they are licensing or have created? I've noticed most of the anime wikipedia listings have links to companies like ADV, or Funimation, etc. Vuze is the exclusive distributor outside of Japan and also created the only English subtitled version of this anime. In my humble opinion, an external link to the company that is the exclusive distributor outside Japan and creator of the official English subtitled versions is a benefit to Wikipedia -- just as it's a benefit for the many other examples with other anime series where this is the case. Though Vuze is not as well known, it serves the same function as other well known anime distributors.

Thanks a bunch -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Manga007 (talk • contribs) 19:38, 28 December 2007

I would agree with you under different circumstances, however the link has been blacklisted as a result of extensively spamming, see this. sorry--Hu12 (talk) 01:53, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

-Thanks for responding. This really isn't a big deal. And I don't care all that much but I'm trying to understand this process. I looked over the link you cited and saw that Vuze (also known as Azureus) was cited for creating articles on "Vuze", "Vuze, Inc." and "Azureus". So to get this straight, Vuze is blacklisted for creating articles on itself and now no one can now post a link to Vuze? Really no big deal, but I'm curious to learn more about how a subject/entity can put itself into a position where no one can ever link to them in the future. Seems scary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Manga007 (talk • contribs) 20:22, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

The temptation for self promotion can be great, especialy this being one of the top internet sites and one that anyone can edit. Many abuse the openess of wikipedia, and those that get caught are delt with accordingly. This explains it somewhat Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam. see also What Wikipedia is not. I've added a welcome message to your talk page, which has many helpful links to guidelines, policies and other useful stuff. cheers--Hu12 (talk) 20:50, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

63.226.228.171

It looks like your 24 hour block of 63.226.228.171 (talk · contribs · logs · block log) didn't have the intended result. First edit after the block expired was to add the link to ridetheslut.com back to South Lake Union Streetcar.[2] --Bobblehead ^(rants) 22:45, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the note Bobblehead, I've extended the block for a week. Based on what appears to be the beginning of a pattern, more drastic measures may be needed if continued. cheers--Hu12 (talk) 02:41, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Blocked From Editing

Hu12, when did I ever once use wikipedia for advertising? I have never done this in my life. Your rationale for the block is incoherent in terms of the definition of advertising. Can you please explain yourself? 205.200.244.98 (talk) 07:08, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I supplied a clear and specific block reason in your talk page which indicates why you were blocked. I'll repeat it since you appear to not understand. You were blocked for continued use of wikipedia for promotion. Despite the obvious community disapproval of your behavior outlined in the discussion Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam#pygmalionbooks.org, you appear to refuse to 'get the point'. To avoid future blocks for disruption don't engage in the following;

• Spamming
• Breach Wikipedia policies or guidelines, where there is a consensus and obvious community disapproval among uninvolved users that it is disruptive.
• Harassment
• Engage in using accounts that appear, based on their edit history, to exist for the sole or primary purpose of promoting a person, company, product, service, or organization in apparent violation of anti-spam guidelines.

If you continue to use wikipedia for promotion, you will be blocked again.--Hu12 (talk) 12:40, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Charlie Handley

Hi - you deleted this article for copyright reasons. As he was a top player for Tottenham Hotspur in his time, could you possibly re-instate it so that I can improve it by removing any copyright problems and adding appropriate references. Cheers. --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 08:40, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Done. thanks for the note--Hu12 (talk) 10:27, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Libre Society

Hi, I just wanted to let you know that I've created a discussion page for the above article and would appreciate it if you would take a look. Feel completely free to delete this once read... And the Lion (talk) 11:12, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

new year

In hope that we will work together in the new year. DGG (talk) 14:29, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks DGG, as do I. You are an asset to Wikipedia, there is much I could learn much from that. Wishing you a happy new year. --Hu12 (talk) 14:58, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Deferwps

Template:Deferwps has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. RichardΩ612 17:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)