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After this, I no more get any pleasure out of editing Wikipedia, and at least for the near future I am away from the project. If I change my mind, I'll notify you. Please, do not leave any messages in my talk page, because I won't respond.

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It's a shame that you defend those kind of creatures. I will stop. But I won't apologize. Because I have done the right thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emperordarius (talk • contribs) 08:40, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

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MKD

Здраво, Γιάνναρε! The discussions here and here may be of interest to you. Cheers. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 14:22, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Philitas of Cos

Thanks for your review of Philitas of Cos. I've tried to fix the points you raised and have made comments about them on the review page. Eubulides (talk) 19:52, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Ancient Greek

Can you also take a look in the conversation on the image depicting the distribution of the ancient Greek dialects?

GK1973 (talk) 12:41, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

They insit portraying Macedonia as a clearly and indisputably non Greek speaking region... They also moved the conversation to some template discussion.

GK1973 (talk) 21:59, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		I wanted to say thank you for your very insightful and detailed peer review of the Olympic Games article. I sincerely appreciate not only your contributions to this article, but also for your commitment to maintaining the highest standards in all of your work. H1nkles (talk) 21:32, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

And I am not yet done with the peer-review! I thank you H1nkles for both the barnstar and the excellent co-operation in 1896 Olympics, and I hope you remain in Wikipedia devoting more of your efforts; the project needs editors like you!--Yannismarou (talk) 07:21, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your thoughts, I have enjoyed our collaboration. Perhaps when the Olympic Games article is "finished" we can work together on the 2004 Summer Olympics article? H1nkles (talk) 17:09, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Any time you want!--Yannismarou (talk) 18:20, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the Barnstar!

Wow, thanks a lot! That certainly gives one more incentive. :) I intend to bring the article up for FAC soon, but I am not very happy with the prose. It's quite choppy at places. Also, I don't really know how it appears to a non-expert, in terms of readability, information conveyed and (perhaps excessive) detail. If you can help or suggest any improvements, I'd appreciate it greatly. PS: I have been trying to create a template on Byzantine-related topics. It's not complete yet, nor have I settled on overall layout etcr. If you can check it out and comment on it, again, I'd be grateful. Thanks again, cheers, and keep up you great work! Constantine ✍ 14:16, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Alexios Komnenos

Hi Yannis. This is to let you know about a violation of the ODB onomatology followed on Wikipedia. Alexios Komnenos has been moved without any type of consensus or discussion to Alexius I Comnenus. Please check this out and move it back since I tried and I cannot move it myself. Thanks again. Tasos (Dr.K. (talk) 03:45, 13 September 2008 (UTC))

Hi Yannis. Your help is greatly appreciated but there have been more moves in this direction as per These contributions. To wit: Komnenos dynasty has become (you guessed it) Comnenus dynasty. Also Alexius V Ducas, Alexius II Comnenus, Heraclius, Tiberius III Apsimarus and Alexius III Angelus. And since we are at it could you also fix Maria Angelina Ducena Palaeologina, although unrelated to the recent moves it was wrongly changed some time ago. Thank you again and take care. Τάσος (Dr.K. (talk) 14:17, 13 September 2008 (UTC))

BTW could you also fix the talk page of Alexios I Komnenos because it is spelled as Alexios I Comnenos. Thanks again. Τάσος (Dr.K. (talk) 16:01, 13 September 2008 (UTC))

I fixed most of them with the exception of Heraclius, where the standard orthography throughout the bibliography does not seem to be "Herakleios".--Yannismarou (talk) 10:10, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

No problem at all. Thank you, as always. for the excellent job and the speedy resolution you provided to this matter. Take care. Τάσος (Dr.K. (talk) 11:19, 14 September 2008 (UTC))

I don't know if there is a "resolution". There may be a continuation of the whole issue. But I hope this happens through the proper channels and procedures.--Yannismarou (talk) 11:20, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

This matter, as you know, was the subject of bitter debates and mediations some years ago. I participated in those endless discusssions and I know how frustrating it feels. The trend nowadays has become even clearer in favour of the ODB onomatology. I think the case for ODB can be made even stronger today that a few years ago. I hope we don't repeat the long, mercurial and unproductive debates of the past. Your suggestion for an RFM however is the only fair way to proceed if any are so inclined as to reopen this debate and wake up the old dogs. Bye for now Yannis and thanks again. Τάσος (Dr.K. (talk) 11:37, 14 September 2008 (UTC))

User:Emperordarius

Hey there, I noticed that you've dealt with User:Emperordarius previously. I wanted to ask your opinion on this personal attack and perhaps your thoughts on a course of action. GlassCobra 16:48, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I see he has been already warned by another administrator. Therefore, | think that for the time being no further action is needed. The warning is clear and sound.--Yannismarou (talk) 07:43, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey Yanni, how's it going? Concerning Emperordarius, he's back in Pyrrhus.Regards,Michael X the White (talk) 19:41, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Alexius II Comnenus

I just found another one Alexius II Comnenus. What can I say? Tasos (Dr.K. (talk) 17:05, 14 September 2008 (UTC)) Update: I redirected this myself. Not sure quite how or why it worked. Tasos (Dr.K. (talk) 17:19, 14 September 2008 (UTC))

Plus Talk:Tiberius III Apsimarus needs to be synchronised with Tiberios III. Dr.K. (talk) 17:11, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again Yannis. By the way can you, whenever you have the time, explain to me how I was able to move Alexios II Komnenos? The redirects and everything else were the same as the other articles. Yet I was able to move it without your help. How is this possible? Take your time answering this because I really overloaded you over these few days. Take care. Tasos (Dr.K. (talk) 20:34, 15 September 2008 (UTC))

TOP IMPORTANCE!! Map-creator found.

I found someone who could make us a map for the mission. Contact me as soon as you can so that we see what exactly we need and meet the requirements.--Michael X the White (talk) 17:24, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

In fact, it is User:Future Perfect who offered to make a map...You could discuss this directly with him if you want to.--Michael X the White (talk) 14:53, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

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Citation format question

Hello, I'm wondering if you can help me figure out the format for the web citations for the Olympic Games article? My question specifically relates to the difference between the "work" and the "publisher". I've been listing the work as the web site with the publisher being the larger entity that the website represents. For example, the IOC website is quoted often through the article. So I've listed the work as Olympic.org with the publisher being "The International Olympic Committee". Would this be correct? When there isn't a differentiation between work and publisher then I've listed the website as the publisher. Your insight in this would be appreciated as I prepare it for official peer review. Thanks! H1nkles (talk) 03:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm .... This is a distinction that I may not have understood very well for some time, and your comments made me think a bit more about that! I think you are correct, and I had misunderstood for some time the "work" section, using it for subsections in a web page. Something that would have been logical, but the template's explanations do not vindicate me! I think your interpretation of the guides is more correct than what I used to do. But in order to have a more "professional" opinion, you could ask User:SandyGeorgia, who is an expert not only on MoS but on any kind of technicalities.--Yannismarou (talk) 17:47, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I've asked SandyGeorgia as well. I'll let you know what she says. H1nkles (talk) 18:08, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Battle of Goliad

Thank you for your comments at the FAC for Battle of Goliad. I have been without internet access due to Hurricane Ike but am back now and have responded to your comments at the FAC. Karanacs (talk) 16:54, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Greeks

Check your email as for where I had been. Nice to see you back. Cheers! --Hectorian (talk) 16:48, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Mission 1!

Hey Yanni, how is it going?? Can you check (and evaluate) the progress in Greek War of Independence?? And if so, could you update the Mission Page?? Regards,Michael X the White (talk) 14:27, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

I'll go through it. I admit I neglected it lately, but I completely ran out of wikitime! I hope that from next Friday it is going to be better.--Yannismarou (talk) 11:52, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Law

Yannis; Although the article's touch stones are easy to me, the language and phrasing is not. I'll commit to a copyedit over two weeks if you can keep the far open; but I cant say it'll be very good. I might you to watch my back on this one. Ceoil ^sláinte 18:34, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Damn it! My internet connections was a mess yesterday. My time is very limited during this period, but I promised I'll back you on that, and I'll keep my promise.--Yannismarou (talk) 19:22, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I havn't look at this again in a while, but let me know if there are any other sections I could help with. I won't vote because although I have a BCL, that was A Long Time Ago, and it never held a fondness for me, and I dont feel qualified to say one way or the other. After law, I switched to the dark side as soon as my legs could carry me, and never looked back. Ceoil ^sláinte 23:51, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Persistent, disruptive editing by User:Vision_Thing

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Princess Olga, Duchess of Apulia

If I'm not mistaken, you are the (probably unwitting) source, via Google newsgroup alt.talk.royalty, of a reference that has become the subject of recent dispute in edits of an article on a member of Greece's former royal family. She has just married an Italian prince whose father claims that his cadet branch (Aosta) of the House of Savoy, has replaced the senior line (descended from Italy's last king, Umberto II of Italy) as rightful pretenders to the Italian throne because Umberto's two remaining male descendants are married to commoners. Olga is now the wife of an Aosta prince, but the issue is Olga's own dynastic birth status. Your past reference to a Greek "legislative decree", cited here is key. Is there now an online source for this decree? An English translation? Have you any further info or comments on the matter? Thanks for any feedback. FactStraight (talk) 04:55, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry that I mistook your handle, "Yannismouru" to be a variation belonging to the "Yannis" who commented on the Greek monarchy and dynasty at alt.talk.royalty several years ago. Thank you for replying nonetheless, and for going to the trouble of attempting to sort out the issue enough to add a useful translation. That's unusual and much appreciated courtesy. FactStraight (talk) 23:12, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome!--Yannismarou (talk) 12:43, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Law

It is certainly ironic (at best) that the first thing I see on your "talk" page is "be civil," considering your decidedly UNCIVIL message to me.

One question: Who the hell are you to be deleting scholarly references from a list for "Further Reading" on any page? Do you think you are a god or something?

Unless this page is your personal property (it is not), I suggest you leave the constructive additions of others alone.Mervyn Emrys (talk) 21:45, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

FYI, this is now at WP:ANI#Uncivil comments discourage participation. --Elonka 00:01, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Civility

As per the discussion on WP:ANI cited above, your edit summaries seem to be blatantly ignoring WP:Civil. You need to fix this. Continuing in this direction will find you blocked. Thank you. Toddst1 (talk) 00:19, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I have nothing to fix! For the record:

• I did not offend the editor in question. I characterized "damn" the book and not the person. Thus there is no personal characterization.
• I have the right to be ironic and sarcastic. Sarcasm does not necessarily contradict civility. And I have never been uncivil towards Mervyn.
• Mervyn does not seem to understand the difference between "References" and "Further Reading". If he can't understand the obvious, this is not my problem. I do have the right to get angry, and express my annoyance to an editor, who IMO harms the article with his erratic edits. And I do have the right to believe that this editor has not been helpful to the article.

While you hastened to warn me, you found no word of condemnation for Mervyn who accused me of using "Further Reading" as a personal bookshelf. You found nothing to say to a person who insists on absurdly citing a book both in "References" and "Further Reading", a distinction a first-year university student can understand.

I thus decline your warning, and I ask you to be more careful next time. As a minimum act of recognition of your wrongdoing and of restoration of both my reputation and dignity among Wikipedians your misjudged warning harmed, I kindly ask you to remove yourself this highly offensive warning from my page, before I do it myself. Thank you.--Yannismarou (talk) 19:52, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

You have the right to remove this warning, but like it or not, you have been warned. Toddst1 (talk) 19:58, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Yannismarou, your contributions are valuable and appreciated. Cla68 (talk) 07:39, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

I find it pathetic that a renowned wikipedian such as Yannismarou, who has contributed to human knowledge for more than two years and, moreover, is an administrator, has been more or less forced to retire from the WP because of some people’s inconsiderate comments. Some of his accusers were not even aware of the fact that he is an administrator.

One of these people also happens to be an administrator and was talking about administrators setting a good example. My question is: what happens when one administrator accuses a fellow administrator of uncivility? Is that a specimen of good practice among administrators? I, as a mere editor, would like to express my deep concern about this incident. And I hope that this comment will not be considered as wikilawyering as this is not my intention. Hoping that WP will find an editor and an administrator as or even more competent than Yannismarou, I am putting a full stop to my thoughts… Pel thal (talk) 08:44, 16 October 2008 (UTC) 08:23, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey, Yannis, you know, illegitimi non carborundum and all that. I can certainly sympathize if you want to take a break, but why give up the bit, it's such a damned hassle to get it back these days. By the way, a nice alternative for a break is doing some editing in some completely unrelated, non-controversial area. For instance, I do renaissance music whenever the Balkans suck too much. Got some nice peaceful hobby you could create a DYK about? :-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:55, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Fut.Perf. Yannismarou, you have my respect as an editor, and an administrator. I can respect a person but still disagree with their actions from time to time. If I did anything which made you feel that I had lost my respect for you as a person, I do apologize. Please, enjoy your break, and I hope that you will return at some point. You've done a lot of great work on Wikipedia, and I'd like to see you do more in the future.  :) --Elonka 14:15, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Giorgos

Just came back from a trip and found out this recent episode of paranoid behaviour against you. I simply wanted to let you know that you have my full support and uttmost respect and that your conduct has been one of the reasons I still contribute in this project. It is sad to realize that the prevailing situation discourages contributors of your calliber and standing to carry on with their work. I haven't so far had the opportunity to express my opinion on your overall contribution in the project and I feel sorry that I had not done it earlier. Contrary to what other contributors may have said I would advise you not to take any kind of wiki break but double your efforts in the areas you take a keen interest in. Your absence from these areas would be only for the worse. --Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 10:13, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

I sincerely hope you will return

Never, never, never give up. Jehochman ^Talk 12:56, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to ignore your suggestion not to use your talk page, but I too hope that this is only temporary. You have done enormous good at the Featured article review. To lose your talents over something trivial like this would be awful. Marskell (talk) 13:14, 16 October 2008 (UTC)