:{{ping|TKOIII}} Thanks, I would say you're pretty experienced yourself. - Personally, I favor adding a column to existing tables. A simple example at [[Mitsubishi Town Box]] - only one generation, very limited markets. For things like the Toyota Corolla, where it was built in many places and sold in hundreds of countries, tons of overlap and potential confusion, I think separate tables would be best. For me, production is more relevant than sales if I had to chose to delete one.
:{{ping|TKOIII}} Thanks, I would say you're pretty experienced yourself. - Personally, I favor adding a column to existing tables. A simple example at [[Mitsubishi Town Box]] - only one generation, very limited markets. For things like the Toyota Corolla, where it was built in many places and sold in hundreds of countries, tons of overlap and potential confusion, I think separate tables would be best. For me, production is more relevant than sales if I had to chose to delete one.
:Not sure about those sources in particular; I generally lean inclusionist. It would have to be a very crappy source for me to prefer no content. Always happy to weigh in on specific cases, of course. <span style="background:#ff0000;font-family:Times New Roman;">[[User:Mr.choppers|<span style="color:#FDEE00;">''' Mr.choppers | '''</span>]][[User talk:Mr.choppers|<span style="color:#FDEE00;">✎ </span>]]</span> 20:23, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
:Not sure about those sources in particular; I generally lean inclusionist. It would have to be a very crappy source for me to prefer no content. Always happy to weigh in on specific cases, of course. <span style="background:#ff0000;font-family:Times New Roman;">[[User:Mr.choppers|<span style="color:#FDEE00;">''' Mr.choppers | '''</span>]][[User talk:Mr.choppers|<span style="color:#FDEE00;">✎ </span>]]</span> 20:23, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for the advice, I appreciate it. I'm decently experienced, but when it comes to making sales charts, I'm definitely a newbie. [[User:TKOIII|TKOIII]] ([[User talk:TKOIII|talk]]) 20:56, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
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Saab Sonett photo
Hi Mr Chopper:
The photo of the yellow Saab Sonett on Wikipedia from Lime Rock is my car. Nice picture. My only comment is about the comment. You indicated that the mirrors were incorrect, as they were supposed to be black, rectangular. The 1974 Saab Full line brochure shows a Sonett with chrome Talbot style mirrors. This is shown in a link from Hemming’s which follows.
@Romanpart: Thanks for the clarification! I will correct the description. Great car, thanks for showing and sharing. I remember chatting with you briefly (it was probably raining). Best, Mr.choppers | ✎ 16:57, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
About the Maple and Livan Automotive
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I notice there are so many vandalism on the articles of Livan Automotive so I revert them all.
And I want to clarify some facts regarding with those articles. The Maple, Shanghai Maple Auto, and Livan Automotive are actually same company that evolved in name and capital structure in past decade. The original article Shanghai Maple has been moved to Maple (marque) by author Jengtingchen in October 28, 2020, and furtherly moved to Livan Automotive by me in May 17, 2023. (please see the contribution history of Livan Automotive). The vandal revert those edit thus created so many chaos and I just try to fix it.
@Infinty 0: Maple is a separate, budget oriented brand, whereas Livan is focused on electric cars. While there is clearly some overlap in the corporate structure I disagree with merging these. "Maple (marque)" is a bad title, "marque" just being a fancy name for brand. I suggest keeping Shanghai Maple and Livan Automotive as separate articles since the two brands are clearly distinct. Mr.choppers | ✎ 01:09, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
My bad, thanks for letting me know. Your name came up on Who Wrote That, and I didn't think to check if you had moved the text from an existing article. That name is actually familiar to me as just yesterday I caught a copyvio they had added to Nissan Sentra. I'm not a car expert, so if I removed something important, please feel free to rewrite it and return it to the article. I took a look at some of the articles you've worked on and everything looked good, so I was wondering why this one edit by you had an issue. Glad to see you already understand copyright, keep up the good work on car articles. This came up because I saw Shanghai Maple in the queue at New pages patrol, and I was about to mark it as reviewed but I found an issue on my copyvio check. I'm no longer worried about copyvio now, so I will mark it as reviewed. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 21:06, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Do you know what the new Lexus GX and Prado model codes are? I had a quick search and didn't find anything. I suspect somebody took the old J150 code and just added 100 but Toyota doesn't follow a very consistent pattern with the GX and Prado. Stepho talk02:00, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Did some more digging. https://www.drive.com.au/news/2024-toyota-prado-imagined-from-lexus-gx/ says that it will probably be badged as the 250 series and guesses that that reflects the model code. The smart guys at ih8mud.com are calling it the LC250 (dropping the Prado name in N.America). I've also seen some mentions of LC180 at team-bhp.com but that might only be a guess. Hopefully Toyota/Lexus will put some nice brochures on their Japanese site when it is released for sale - they typically mention full model codes there. Stepho talk05:28, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Anything on Wikipedia is freely licensed; the info is on the Commons page of whatever photo it is. Usually we request credit (like having "Mr.choppers @ Wikipedia" printed somewhere on the photo) but you do whatever you feel like. Have a good party. Mr.choppers | ✎ 17:52, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
1990 348 Challenge from Greenwich Concours
Hi- the photo you posted is of my car, which raced in the 348 Challenge series in 1995. Your annotation incorrectly states it never raced. The livery it currently wears is replicating that with which it raced at Moroso Motorsports Park in 1995. Can you please correct the note? Great pic, btw! 173.56.86.235 (talk) 04:44, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, my parents bought a 1980 Buick LeSabre with the 350 Olds Diesel engine. I know the LeSabre article is uncited, but I thought I saw evidence of this on brochures. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 05:27, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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With all due respect, I have no idea what you are talking about. For the purposes of the MOS:FIRST sentence of the lead it is entirely a tautology to say that a car was made by a car maker, and it doesn't matter which particular synonyms you use to say so. While from an extremely pedantic perspective "produce" and "manufacture" might have slightly different definitions, accuracy matters more than precision in the opening sentence of the lead of the article, which is supposed to give a concise definition of the subject of the article. Cars are inherently the products of car manufacturers, and it is only helpful to comment on the subject when their manufacturer is an entity that does not usually produce cars. MOS:REDUNDANCY and MOS:LEADCLUTTER entirely apply here. Poorly-written opening sentences give a bad first impression of an entire article and can devalue the hard work editors put in to writing the rest of them. There is also the issue that "automaker" is not a commonly used term in British English and sounds like a term that might refer to an industrial robot or a 3D printer, and thus isn't appropriate to use in articles about British cars. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 22:34, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No, car and carmaker are not synonyms, thus no tautology. Produce and manufacturer are not synonyms. You are confusing the words manufacture and manufacturer, it seems. A writer writes things; also not a tautology. "Automaker" is in no way uncommon; I got 36,900,000 results with Google. Mr.choppers | ✎ 23:04, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for the other day
I would like to apologise for perhaps overreacting the other day. I think I was feeling stressed and allowed a minor pet peeve to get to me far more than it should. I hope you are doing well and wish you a happy new year. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 02:31, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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No
I refuse to engage in gatekeeping of knowledge. Having articles at titles that only make sense to a very small number of people goes against all standard Wikipedia practice and also my basic ethical standards. If me WP:BOLDly moving the article to an objectively better title annoys you that much then you move it back yourself. Read WP:CRITERIA, please. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 05:31, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent idea. From WP:CRITERIA: "When titling articles in specific fields, or with respect to particular problems, there is often previous consensus that can be used as a precedent."
There is a reason that consistency comes last in the list there. A consistently bad naming scheme is still a bad naming scheme. There is nothing recognisable or natural about a random series of numbers and/or letters as a disambiguator, whereas specifying the generation or the year the article subject entered production is far more natural and recognisable to a layperson while still being equally precise in most cases (the Corolla might be an exception, but it is a rare one). In most cases "[model name] (UIKLHUKAIGEASIOFUHYSDIKFHUSDIFHSDKILFLJ57839845734890573490825580934750375893475893027530758340397384973249889534298283952347)" is a fairly extreme case of WP:OVERPRECISION. Whilst "[model name] ([nth] generation)" might be less concise than "[model name] (JQ83)" or whatever, that is not a major concern with the "[model name] (YYYY)" format. I am objectively correct here. I cannot comprehend what purpose using article titles that require pre-existing specialist knowledge to understand serves other than gatekeeping, which I view as being antithetical to the core concept of Wikipedia. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 07:17, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please also note here that how Toyota or BMW articles are disambiguated is not directly relevant to how the articles on the Alfa Romeo Giulia and Maserati Ghibli should be disambiguated, and that there is a clear precedent with the Dodge Charger for disambiguating articles about reused nameplates like that in a manner that actually makes sense to someone who doesn't work for the company that makes the car. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 07:44, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@HumanBodyPiloter5: as I explained to you already: either work to have the policy changed or redefined, or follow it. This is a collaborative project and you cannot unilaterally change how things are done. Discuss things. Communicate. Mr.choppers | ✎ 16:49, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding recent reverts on SEAT pages.
I noted that I forgot to add a source, I just added a source, SEAT's UK boss hinted that SEAT will still make cars and will also debut an entry-level EV. 212.154.66.111 (talk) 09:34, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JackkBrown: you deleted the entire navbox at Gelato, not just the "Collapsed" parameter. I guess I do not understand what you are trying to accomplish? In general, I recommend not using your phone to edit as it causes a lot of trouble, especially with layouts and wikicode stuff. Mr.choppers | ✎ 21:57, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You said "don't use the comma-seperated related models and it looking like the Leon is unsourced", but you kept restoring the edit with the unsourced data and comma-seperated related models. I'm not going to start an edit war, just need help. 212.154.66.111 (talk) 22:28, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Seeking advice on the "custom car" and "car tuning" pages.
Hi, I wanted to ask for your advice regarding the "custom car" and "car tuning" articles since you're one of the most active editors on automotive Wikipedia. The custom car article was previously someone's rambling passion project where they chronicled the American hot rod and kustom car scene in great detail, and i've slowly been trying to remove a lot of the excessive detail and make it into an article that focuses on car customization as a practice more generally (i'm still far from done). I've also done a little work on the car tuning article which was just generally a sloppy and inaccurate article. What i'm wondering though, is what direction do you think these articles should be taken in? I'm not sure whether they should be merged, kept separate, and if the latter, where the line should be drawn as to what fits in each article. Would love to here what you think. TKOIII (talk) 18:52, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TKOIII: thanks for including me - as a nerd for originality, I am not particularly interested in customized/tuned cars. There is obviously a need for article(s), but I can also see them becoming dumping grounds for random people's pet interest and thousand-picture galleries. While there is a distinction between the terms, it may be one of those "I knows it when I sees it" situations. Personally I think English WP is a bit too obsessed with merging articles when there is overlap (like pickup and ute), so I lean towards keeping both.
I guess my short answer is that you've taken on a big and thankless job; I am perfectly content to focus on the things I care about and leave these two to the wolves, but I will be happy to check in and make sure that we maintain an encyclopaedic tone over there. Best, Mr.choppers | ✎ 22:30, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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I don't know that I'd go so far as to call the Police Special Sierra a hoax (there were images of the vehicle in police livery among the cited sources), but I agree that surely, better sources should be available than enthusiast forums. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!!21:57, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There were absolutely British Police Sierras, but User:Sheriff LeMans is saying that there was a US-market SSP with a Cosworth engine and that these were then exported back to Europe. This is not true, and the sources do not support it. Mr.choppers | ✎ 22:17, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Yeah, I goofed there, came back to fix it and you'd already done it, so thanks. Didn't see the reference links hidden up in the petrol engine section before, that would have saved me a *lot* of looking around elsewhere for verification. Seems there's some dodgy info out there for these particular (and remarkably low-torque) engines, and that's leaked into the Fiorino article at least (seems to have the torque figure for the 1.3 JTD instead?). I'm going to go address that one now but maybe you've also fixed that? :) 92.12.82.40 (talk) 14:34, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi, I just wanted to ask your advice on the matter of sales vs production numbers, as well as which sites may or may not be reliable for finding them. I'm not sure if this is something you're experienced with, but as you're a very experienced editor, I figured i'd seek your advice. Recently I added a handful of production totals from Volkswagen global annual reports to articles, but after doing so realized that I had actually added production totals to the sales chart. I was wondering if I should self revert these edits, or simply create a second chart for production totals aside from the sales totals (since often sales totals by years are hard to find from official sources). Additionally, I noticed sites such as goodcarbadcar and autoo (for Brazil) being cited heavily, and was wondering what your thoughts were on their reliability. TKOIII (talk) 19:48, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TKOIII: Thanks, I would say you're pretty experienced yourself. - Personally, I favor adding a column to existing tables. A simple example at Mitsubishi Town Box - only one generation, very limited markets. For things like the Toyota Corolla, where it was built in many places and sold in hundreds of countries, tons of overlap and potential confusion, I think separate tables would be best. For me, production is more relevant than sales if I had to chose to delete one.
Not sure about those sources in particular; I generally lean inclusionist. It would have to be a very crappy source for me to prefer no content. Always happy to weigh in on specific cases, of course. Mr.choppers | ✎ 20:23, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the advice, I appreciate it. I'm decently experienced, but when it comes to making sales charts, I'm definitely a newbie. TKOIII (talk) 20:56, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]