User talk:Peter Isotalo/Archive 4

Welcome to my talk page! Please feel free to add any comments as long as you abide by a few simple requests: Don't break up threads. Reply wherever I made the post and expect me to do the same. Don't make duplicate posts. Leave a notice if you feel that you've been ignored. Stay civil. I don't keep purely inflammatory posts. I'm "Peter" to anyone and "Isotalo" to those who prefer it. Just don't call me "Mr." because it smacks of haughty sarcasm to a Swede raised without honorifics. At least in a fairly informal forum like Wikipedia.

Medieval cuisine

Hi Peter, I am so glad to meet you and receive your message in my talk page. The article medieval cuisine is such a good article that i decided to translate it in the first sight :) Thank you and anyone else who has contributed to this article. The only problem is that i can't cope with links since we don't have 1.815.000 article ^_^ I have to create a lot of new stubs too xD Well, Let me know if you need help from Turkish Wikipedia, or whatever. I am active day and night as long as i am not at school. Greetings from Turkey, ad Turkish wikipedia.

P.S. By the way, how can we make it FA in Hebrew Wikipedia as well? :D It look very good and references are enough, I am sure they will give featured status to that article. (I am trying to make turkish verison a FA) But my problem is that I don't understand Hebrew... Even a letter of it =) It would be cool having it Featured in 6 languages.. English, africaans, chinese, possibly swedish, turkish and hebrew :)

--Ozculer 17:05, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately someone stuck a modern food pyramid in the Hebrew article, which I was not particularly happy about. I tried addressing it on the talkpage, but no one seemed to appreciate the criticism. I don't know Hebrew either, so I can't do much about it.

The Swedish article has been nominated and has gotten plenty of support, so it should be promoted by next week. That means we're up to 4 already. There's something about the topic that is really appealing to readers, I think.

Peter ^Isotalo 17:34, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Comics

Just noticed your comments over at the comics page. You made a lot of good points. I know we fell out before, but if I put some work into the article at some point over the next week or two, would you be prepared to chip in with thoughts on any progress and stuff? I noticed the wiki-break template, so if you haven't got the time, fair play. Steve block Talk 11:00, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll be back in action by the start of next week, so go ahead and start anytime you like. It'd be nice to see the article brought up to GA status (or higher).

Peter ^Isotalo 13:22, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Cheers. I'd like to aim higher if possible. Steve block Talk 19:12, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

WP:CIVILITY

I have warned you about civility elsewhere, now I am giving a warning on your talk page. Please treat other people's opinion with at least a minimum of respect.

Telling other editors to stop "Butting in" is very rude and a violation of WP:OWN, they are not your articles to tell people to stay away from.

Blanking ongoing(within an hour of most recent response) talk page discussions that you don't like with the edit summary of "archived waste-of-time discussion" is very rude and downright dismissive of the opinions of others.

Just recently you made this post: "Getting a fucking pat on the head at the end of it all isn't exactly a good way of smoothing things over".

Every time I have any criticism of this type of behavior you get even more upset and rude, and you attack me by bringing up very old content disputes I have been in that are not even behaviorally related.

Please get along better with other Peter, if you want a place to write articles where others cannot edit, get a word processor. ^(H) 15:07, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

You and the users who think that persistence is the equal of reasoning (which you think you're valiantly defending with your partial nonsense) is the problem here. Nothing else.

Peter ^Isotalo 19:09, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 7 June, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Inca cuisine, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Yomangani^talk 00:02, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

June 2007 Wikiproject Food and Drink Newsletter

WikiProject Food and Drink Newsletter June 2007

MedCab

Hey, Pete! I'm mediating your case at MedCab. H has agreed to join, and said he thinks it's great if the dispute could be resolved through mediation. However, I'm going to request if you would provide us with some specific diffs and a briefer statement, that's more to the point, with only specific incidents listed, that'd be better. Please list this in the "Incident summary" section. Thanks! Cool Blue^{talk to me} 01:46, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I've added some questions to the mediation. I'd appreciate it if you'd answer them, but these probably won't be the only questions. Cool Blue^{talk to me} 17:50, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Possible compromise

I've drafted a possible compromise at Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-06-14 H. Cool Blue^{talk to me} 19:03, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I'd appreciate it if you'd look over the new revision, thanks! Cool Blue^{talk to me} 01:44, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Inca Cuisine

I think that your name is Peter, so Hello Peter; some weeks ago you posted that you would like to work about the "Inca cuisine" article. I really don't know if this could be fusioned within the Peruvian cuisine. However, the Inca and the pre-Inca cuisine, it seems to me that they deserve their own article or a least a big section; anyway, I would like to collaborate together to bring about a strong content in relation to this subjects. Let me know what do you think. John Manuel-22:33, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Peruvian and Inca cuisine are certainly very closely related, but they're not the same. I'd be happy to collaborate on improving the article, but I recommend that we discuss this further over at Talk:Inca cuisine.

Peter ^Isotalo 11:43, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Fine, agree upon your request. see you there. John Manuel-22:00, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Right on!

Good ! Finally! Bishonen | talk 09:18, 30 June 2007 (UTC).

Hellz yeah! It didn't escape a few complaints, though. Let's hope it sticks this time. It'll make it so much easier to convince people to remove all those tourist phrases. Hvar er salernið?, indeed...

Peter ^Isotalo 09:45, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

They could at least make it "Where is the hot spring?" ! Bishonen | talk 10:27, 30 June 2007 (UTC).

Talk:Flag of Sweden

Dear Peter, I posted a reply to your message "Double or triple". Odengatan 18:10, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Domenico Selvo

JHMM13 has placed this article on the list of candidates for the first page. Please vote here: Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests. Thanks. Mmounties (Talk) 16:29, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

July 2007 Wikiproject Food and Drink Newsletter

WikiProject Food and Drink Newsletter July 2007--Christopher Tanner, CCC 19:23, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikistalking

You didn't like my revert of your edit to Pike and Shot, so you ran around the wiki looking for things of mine to disrupt? Wikistalking is a frowned-upon activity. Too bad you're not taking H's good advice. Larry Dunn 00:50, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I checked some of your work out. So far I've made edits to two articles you have been involved with and pointed out some rather obvious copyright violations over at Commons. If you want to call that Wikistalking, you're welcome to report it, but I doubt you'll get much sympathy. H called me protective, but I certainly don't auto-revert straightforward copyedits and layout fixes because of sheer paranoia.

Peter ^Isotalo 01:24, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

French cuisine

I'd like to have you look at the Medieval age section of the article if you have time as well as the rest. I respect your opinion. I was going to put it up for FA, but I am not happy with a couple sections that do not have citations that are prior to my edits. Thanks, hope you are well.--Christopher Tanner, CCC 02:45, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the edits.--Christopher Tanner, CCC 11:47, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Regarding Vasa (ship)

From a recent edit summary: removed confusing Tangeberg reference padding; the section is based on Soop and fully referencable through that source. Well, fair enough. But I don't think Vasa (ship) is as well referenced as it should be. Could you perhaps add more inline references, pointing out which portions of the Soop work are the basis for the claims in that section? There is only one reference, plus a generic Soop source ref in that whole section, which is a bit on the thin side.

The referencing in the rest of the article could also be improved, with a lot of unsourced claims and only a few generic book references. I'm trying to gradually improve it, but any help would be appreciated. :) Henrik 21:03, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

You're right about many sections of the articles needing more citations, but I'd just like to stress that the ornamentation section is fairly intuitively referenced with Soop in its current state. Apart from the paragraph that includes all the quotes and analysis of artists' styles, the facts mentioned are very easy to find in the book without specific page references. I'd like to stress that the current section is somewhat of a quick fix; I intend to switch to one of Soop's works in English as soon as I've had a chance to look them over. In the mean time, I felt that a general reference with a bit more detail for the more specific (and potentially subjective) statements was better than barely no info at all.

As far as my plans for the article, I think it has a lot of potential for a truly fine article. Even if I didn't agree with this particular edit of yours, I can assure you that your help is greatly appreciated and I think you've done a lot of good edits so far. Keep it up and we might just get the article to FA status before the end of the summer. I believe we should limit further discussion about the article to Talk:Vasa (ship), though. Post any future queries, suggestions or criticisms that you might have there.

Peter ^Isotalo 22:35, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok. I don't have local access to that source, but your reasoning makes sense. Aiming for a FA in a few months would be excellent (Said with my best Monty Burns voice), there is certainly enough material for it. As you have (obviously) experience in bringing articles to FA class, I'd be glad to listen to your advice on how to proceed. Your point is well taken, I'll keep further discussions regarding the article on the talk page. Henrik 23:21, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Zhou Tong (archer)

You left comments on my article's FAC page. I have made some changes and would like to invite you back to read the page once more. If you feel it is FA quality, please feel free to support the article.(Ghostexorcist 05:46, 11 July 2007 (UTC))

Royal Navy History

Thanks for the info on the victualling, i will add it into the article soon, once the merger is complete. Next time could you please sign your talk page posts, it makes it easier for me to thank you! ;) Woodym555 18:06, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

A bit to quick on the draw there... I can really recommend that title, btw. Interesting topic and the book is well-written and outright witty at times.

Peter ^Isotalo 18:14, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

A small request

Hi Peter!

First of all, I'm not sure whether this is the preferred way of communication on Wikipedia, I'm a fairly new user.

I write to you because I've listened to your spoken audio file for Leo Tolstoy, and was wondering if you could please do another one for the novel The Brothers Karamazov.

If you don't have the time to do that, or any other reason, I'd still appreciate if you could tell me which syllable to stress in "Karamazov". I plan on reading the book and don't want to pronounce the name all wrong all the time in my head. :-)

Thank you for your time!

Greetings, busfahrer

Estophobia vs Russophobia

Hi, Peter! You votedfor deletion of the article Estophobia. Are not the same arguments applicable to Russophobia?--Mbuk 06:40, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Response: Life isn't a video game

I'm sure you meant no harm by doing it, but please don't add categories like Category:Super Smash Bros. items to articles like food or baseball bat. Categories should be properly relevant to an article, and sorting articles about common, everyday topics under extremely specific categories isn't the way to organize an encyclopedia.

Peter ^Isotalo 20:33, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Those items are in the game, but your right, I'll remove those catagories.→041744 20:35, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

smoking

		The Golden Wiki
		I, User:Quadell, award you this Golden Wiki for your outstanding contributions to the smoking article. Great job! We need more writers like you!

Thanks bunches, Quadell! I'm still not done by far with this one, though. I'm aiming for at least GA status. I would very much appreciate if you'd like to help out with additions or just plain ol' proofreading.

Peter ^Isotalo 14:24, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Smoking

On 19 July, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Smoking, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 19:49, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Deserved

		The Barnstar of Recognition
		For making a difference! Pseudoanonymous 19:22, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

If you have much more than 500+ please don't be offended; I am thinking about

• The Chain Barnstar of Merit: 1500+
• The Chain Barnstar of Diligence: 2500+
• The Wikipedian's Chain Barnstar of Honour: 5000+

But I have to make them first Pseudoanonymous 19:22, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate the award and your generosity in giving it, but I can't accept it it since I'm really not a fan of any type of chain messages, be they e-mails or barnstars. I'm just too anti-social by nature to find meaning in it, so please on't take it personal. Good luck with your endeavor, though.

Peter ^Isotalo 19:37, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Thats intresting; but this is a chain strand for a good cause unlike other ones. So that people that deserve to be recognized will be recognized. Of course I respect your wishes. So let me change it for you : ) Pseudoanonymous 01:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Duuude... where's my article

...just like it took some time for these fellas to blast around 300,000 m³ of solid Swedish bedrock.

Err, or something. Yeah, I moved my third sandbox to articlespace and also nominated it for DYK.

And now I've remembered to notify you just as I said I would. :)

No need to rush the copyedit though, let it take the time it takes... – Elisson • T • C • 23:44, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah, baby. 77k of prime main page material. I think we're breaking some sort of record here. Vi Swedes dominate da Wiki, ya?

Peter ^Isotalo 04:38, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

The Swedish Cabal strikes again! – Elisson • T • C • 13:55, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Harrison Ford Importance rating

I noticed that you changed the Harrison Ford importance rating. I believe he should be a Category:Mid-importance_Chicago_articles based on the WP:CHICAGO Official importance scale that you can see on this category page. Do you not feel that he falls into the category of individuals that had (B) a prominent national and/or international role that had a large impact on non-Chicagoans and but had a limited role as a Chicagoans. I feel it is fairly clear that this accurately describes Harrison and his role to the Chicago project. I will revert you change and await comment if you disagree. Please respond to my talk page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:23, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. The importance ratings are not an exact science. In isolation I might agree that Ford is a low importance to our project. For example, compared to Joan Cusack who lives in the Chicago area, was raised here and has been a prominent spokesperson for a regional cellphone company he has little presence in Chicago. However, he is a bigger star as an offset. However, he went to high school here and was raised here from what I know. If it was really important to classify him as a low, I would not fight. However, what would be useful is to give us input/feedback on the propriety of our scale in general.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 21:31, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Legumes

No, the 1% occurrence of legumes in medieval cookbooks is not relevant to the issue, considering the fact that other foods that the article (cabbage, turnips) appear with similar frequency, and some foods with an assumedly higher status (cherries, grapes, damsons) appear much less often. The fact that these foods are listed in cookbooks for the upper class is significant, but the frequency is much less so (it implies consumption, but does not necessarily correlate with consumption amounts) --Doc 16:04, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Please see my response to tyour response on my talk page. --Doc 18:56, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

August 2007 Wikiproject Food and Drink Newsletter

WikiProject Food and Drink Newsletter August 2007

--Christopher Tanner, CCC 16:32, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

smoking and diaper rash

Really, not much offends me, but if you are trying to imply that the odors of smoking are similar to that of the fecal matter being wiped from the child's buttocks in the painting you added, I must take flagrant exception. —freak(talk) 18:42, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

The painting represents smell, not an anti-smoking statement. Read the article more closely, please.

Peter ^Isotalo 18:45, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I really was sure that I had mentioned in the text, but had apparantly forgotten it. It's added now. But it does feel very odd to be accused of being both too critical and too negative of smoking in the same article.

Peter ^Isotalo 18:52, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I did read the section and I see nothing that would mitigate the inclusion of that painting. Maybe you can find pictures of "classical Mayan pottery" depicting smoking, as stated in the section. —freak(talk) 19:04, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

"Smoking was also associated with representations of both the sense of smell and that of taste." I added it before you posted here. Now please be a bit reasonable here. You quite obviously haven't read the source, so I don't know how you can be so damned sure about the picture not having to do with smoking. Other than being a representation of the sense of smell (which was often illustrated at that time by depicting defecation) it also a very good illustration of how smoking was depicted in rustic and crude scenes in the early 17th century. And why would you even be this upset about baby poo in the first place...?

As for Mayan art, there's already one pic included at the start of the history section, and while I would like to include pics of smoking on pottery, I can't, because photos of 3D objects are unfree images and I don't know where to find Mayan pottery depicting smoking that I can take pictures of myself.

Peter ^Isotalo 04:00, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for 3RR violation on Smoking. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make constructive contributions. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below. Krimpet 04:40, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of All USRD Clean-up Templates

All of the USRD Clean-up Templates have been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. master son^{T - C} 16:44, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I've joined it

Dear peter, i am starting to think you have not read the talk-page as i have written several thousands of characters onto it.

Do not get me wrong, i see you have worked very hard on the article and brought it to a readable standard, close to FA-class indeed.

I feel there is not an earth-shattering need to add in this factoid, but i neither feel there is an earth-shattering need to remove it either. And as i deem the article has not reached such a huge size that it would be kludged to read, then i do feel such a factoid should be added and that refusing such a revision is clearly against the spirit of wikipedia. If you want to write a FA-class article you should be ready to edit in whatever meets the joint threshold, and as i am not the only editor to propose this addition and it is not against any wikipedia policy I think that level of content is met. I've done some reviewing of fa-proposals and i feel that imho the most fa-valued articles are the ones that have reached their quality "in the spirit of wikipedia" as i'd put it.

My main argument is that the Vasa is so much more than simply a wreck and archaeological project, it's part of the zeitgeist of that time and therefore non archaeologically related topics could be covered as well.

In addition I'd like to point out that the Finnish wikipedia did feature this fact, and the Finnish wikipedia is the most rigorously control-edited wikipedia i know of (and i'm editing on five wikipedias.). If you say the factoid is only known in Finland, then i just think that is yet another reason to add it onto the English one.

Gillis 10:56, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Please argue the details of article content on the article talkpage, not here.

Peter ^Isotalo 11:10, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Mickey spreads joy

Regarding Image:Mickey spreads joy.jpg. I notice you've identified it as "own work." Am I correct that the photo is your own work, but the statue is the work of another artist? —C.Fred (talk) 17:08, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

That is correct. Shouldn't the source state something else?

Peter ^Isotalo 06:37, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Zetterström nozzle

Hi Peter. I'm wondering if you could get a picture of the Zetterström nozzle used as a "fountain" in front of the Vasa museum, to illustrate the tools used during recovery? henrik•talk 13:07, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Will do. I'll upload it in a few days.

Peter ^Isotalo 14:12, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Stellan Skarsgård.ogg

hi, is it me or is the start of the .ogg missing? Anon user 22:46, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

It's your player messing with you. For some inconceivably stupid reason certain .ogg-players truncate the first half-second or so of the recording when you play it back. Try QuickTime, Winamp or Audacity. Should work better.

Peter ^Isotalo 06:30, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, It's windoze media player that's doing it. Anon user 18:00, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

September 2007 WikiProject Food and Drink Newsletter

WikiProject Food and Drink Newsletter September 2007
--Christopher Tanner, CCC 15:25, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Blancmange

I do have a picture with the bowl, but in general I'm not happy with that picture -- not that I'm too happy with this one. I think I'm going to have to make another batch and re-photograph. Any thoughts on that?

CRGreathouse (t | c) 12:31, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Go for it! :-D

Peter ^Isotalo 14:08, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I'll try for that next week. Actually I'd really like to make it more nearly white (to fit with the etymology) and mounded (to fit with the Blancmange function).

CRGreathouse (t | c) 15:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Common phrases

Hey, whatever happened to my life-work? I put so much effort in there to make it more 'useful', more 'interesting', and to make more people say 'I like it', and now its gone! Ouch, to see that it took two more AfD's and two DRV's... Anyway, I've been away for some time -- is it true that sense and sensibility are becoming en vogue on Wikipedia or was this just a fortunate incident? — mark ✎ 07:21, 17 September 2007 (UTC)