User talk:RexxS

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Module:Formatnum

Hello. What happened with what you were doing in the sandbox? Trigenibinion (talk) 19:25, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Trigenibinion.

In this edit, I enabled the main function to be called via a direct invoke, as it otherwise can only pick up parameters from a wrapper template. I use an external IDE that cleans up indents from using spaces to using tabs, so that accounts for the other changes in that diff and is the reason why the sandbox was 449 bytes smaller.

In this edit and the subsequent one, I allowed the main function to accept "none" as a value for |lang= that can be passed to the formatNum function. I also set a fallback to the site's content language, which is useful for multilingual wikis.

Nothing came of it, because I think it was only a demo when I was discussing the modules called by Module:WikidataIB with Jarekt, who maintains Module:Formatnum on Commons. --RexxS (talk) 19:42, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

OK, then I will just reset the sandbox because I think this module is a good place for a function that will replace a template I am using. Trigenibinion (talk) 21:36, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Change of plans: I have converted the Commons test cases. I will promote your code. Trigenibinion (talk) 23:40, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

frame:getParent().args would grab the wrong arguments. Trigenibinion (talk) 18:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

If the module were called from a wrapper template, frame:getParent().args would contain the arguments supplied to the wrapper template. There are no "wrong" arguments; it just depends on whether the module is invoked directly or through a template. --RexxS (talk) 19:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

You broke {{FXConvert}} by reinstating that code. Trigenibinion (talk) 15:33, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

And now you broke it again by removing wordify. Trigenibinion (talk) 15:54, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Then fix {{FXConvert}}. You must not alter the main entry point for an established module without sandboxing it and testing there. I've restored Module:Formatnum to the state it was prior to your changes. Your code is still in the sandbox, but is faulty in how it handles the parameters passed. It is clear that code like this:

    local args = frame.args
    if not args[1] and not args.number then
        args = frame.args
    end

is nonsensical. --RexxS (talk) 15:55, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

I just left your

    if not args[1] and not args.number then
        args = frame.args
    end

to point out that something was being attempted here. It is harmless.

{{FXConvert}} is not broken. The code from the sandbox was tested before being promoted. It was later in the {{FXConvert}} sandbox where I caught the problem with your code.

The Formatnum sandbox now uses Module:Arguments. It is working both for the testcases and the {{FXConvert}} sandbox. Trigenibinion (talk) 18:09, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

What do you mean "my code"? The sandbox code I wrote was:

    local args = frame:getparent().args
    if not args[1] and not args.number then
        args = frame.args
    end

Note the :getParent() in the first line.

This is the diff] where you changed the first line to local args = frame.args which results in the nonsense I pointed out. That's your code, not mine. The Module:Formatnum may be called by Module:WikidataIB, which is in use on about 1,120,000 pages on the English Wikipedia and 118 other Wikimedia projects. You can't just change its main entry point or its dependencies without causing chaos across multiple projects if they synchronise from enwiki. It's easy enough to deal with parameters without making yet another dependency. --RexxS (talk) 19:09, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Ah, I see the getParent() was already there, you only added:

    if not args[1] and not args.number then
        args = frame.args
    end

Well, this getParent() handling was already wrong then. Let Module:Arguments do its job. Trigenibinion (talk) 19:51, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Note that the test cases (which did not exist until I added them) show that the production code is broken if you use that instead of the sandbox. Trigenibinion (talk) 19:59, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

The code you added fixes one problem but not both. Trigenibinion (talk) 20:07, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

The frame:getParent().args handling was was perfectly correct. It fetches the parameters supplied to any template that wraps the #invoke calling the module. If you remove it, wrapper templates won't function unless they explicitly pass each parameter in the #invoke of the module. That is completely unnecessary and causes maintenance work on every wrapper template if the module is updated to include another parameter.

The original author of the module did not use Module:Arguments because it's unnecessary to add a dependency for trivial tasks like reading parameters. We can't ask over a hundred other projects who use Formatnum to add yet another dependency just because you won't code the parameter handling.

The sole problem with the standard module is that it only picks up parameters from a wrapper template (i.e via frame:getParent().args). The change I put into the sandbox was to show how it could be simply modified to use the parameters from a direct #invoke. It doesn't need Module:Arguments. Almost all of the time, it's called from another module, not from #invoke, anyway. If you don't believe me, go and ask Jarekt on Commons. --RexxS (talk) 20:38, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

I looked at the getArgs() code in Module:Arguments, this will by default get the parameters from both the frame and the parent, putting the frame arguments first, which is the correct normal behavior. Trigenibinion (talk) 20:58, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

There is no "correct normal behaviour". You could also look at Module:Wikidata table, function makerow (line 442) that will show you how to merge the arguments from frame and parent, with the frame overwriting the parent arguments when they conflict. You would swap the lines 445 and 448 to achieve the opposite effect. You can also see how getWD (line 317) does custom processing of its parameters (but only uses frame because it's for debugging), or even how function ucf (line 102) does a minimal amount of processing on the passed parameter, again because it's just for debugging. "Horses for courses" and not a single dependency. You really don't want them as far as possible if other wikis are going to install your modules. --RexxS (talk) 22:14, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

OK, I have removed the dependency in the sandbox. It also checks out. Trigenibinion (talk) 23:52, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

That looks much better to me. Have you had a chance to compare the outputs of the sandbox and the main module? I would expect no difference in the main function when called from a wrapper, but I would expect the main function to return nothing when invoked directly. If that checks out and you're ready to commit, I'd be happy to update the module from the the sandbox for you, although if you're thinking of applying for template editor permission at some point, you'll need a number of successful edit-protected requests, so you could make a formal request at Module talk:Formatnum using {{edit-protected}} - read its documentation carefully if you haven't used it before, and let me know if you need any help with it. --RexxS (talk) 01:11, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

I tried calling the original code from the test cases but it returns nothing without your fix. The foreign test cases need to be looked at by someone familiar with those languages, because I copied the results from Commons and some do not match, but the main function was not changed. Trigenibinion (talk) 12:46, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Is Module:Math OK or should I duplicate _round()? Is Module:TableTools OK or should I duplicate 2 new functions? Thanks. Trigenibinion (talk) 01:17, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Module:TableTools has a version on most wikis and Module:Math has a version on a number of wikis, so you might be able to use them without causing problems in most cases. I don't think it's a good idea to use them inside the main function call, but you can always write an alternative function to call via #invoke. Try to load external modules 'lazily', that is, define the variable to hold the imported table of functions without a value, and then test whether that variable is nil before you use imported functions, only loading the external module if it is nil. It may be that you're getting to the point where you are better off writing a separate new module and requiring Formatnum into your new module. Then you could experiment with different imported modules without compromising the ability of Formatnumber to be updated to sync with other wikis. --RexxS (talk) 01:32, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello. I think wordify() is already so big that it belongs in its own module. It will only get bigger with time. Trigenibinion (talk) 13:16, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Module:Formatnum is used on Commons to presents digits in a way customized for given language. On Commons it is only used from modules and occasionally from templates and never through "#invoke" statements. The input argument handling is done in a way that works with those modules and templates, and it did not changed much in last ~7 years. In the modules I write now I only use c:Module:Core's getArgs function which is lightweight, merges 2 ways of passing arguments from templates, is not case sensative and treats "_" and spaces in field names interchangeably. It is also used without issues on ~60+M pages. But this module really did not need it. --Jarekt (talk) 03:34, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, before applying changes to production code, I saw that on wikipedia it was only being called from other modules. So {{FXConvert}} would be the first template that tries to call it here. Trigenibinion (talk) 12:39, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Period grouping separator is not working. Trigenibinion (talk) 00:16, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

English heritage data and Wikidata

Hi, about a year ago you started a template at {{English Heritage listed building row/Wikidata}} based on a discussion we had about pulling the data from WD rather than manual compilation from WP in a list article. For whatever reasons we put it on the back-burner, anyway I finally go off my fat-backside to have a look at LUA coding. I'd mocked up at User:Nthep/sandbox8 an idea of what I wanted to achieve and my first go at a module to populate it is at Module:Sandbox/Nthep/building. It's undoubtedly poorly written so I'd appreciate any feedback on how it can be improved. Also I have some questions about how to achieve a couple of things.

1. Inserting the equivalent of a <BR> into a cell. If I use \n in the module it pushes all the subsequent cells into the one I put the newline in. There's a couple of cells e.g. heritage designation where I'd like the designation and the date on separate rows.
2. Also on heritage designation I've managed to set the background colour of the cell based on the designation but it's by matching the text in property P1435 which is subject to error if the label of the item is changed. How do you make the comparison with the designation of the item e.g.Q15700831 rather than the text "Grade II* listed building" ?

Thanks for any assistance. Nthep (talk) 11:59, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@Nthep: the code works, but will be slow and resource-heavy because you are calling frame:expandTemplate to make each wikidata call. It's using around 50ms of Lua time per row, so will start to run into problems once you reach around 100 rows in a table. If you add references, that will probably double the processing time and halve the number of rows attainable. You would improve it a lot by requiring Module:Wd and using its functions directly. I can try to give you example code when I get a chance.

To insert <br> into a cell, you can just concatenate "<br>". I've amended line 60 to include an html break (using "\n" inserts a newline into the source wikitext, not what you want inside a table).

To get the entity-id, you can use the raw parameter. Compare:

{{wikidata|property|Q26547186|P1435}} → Grade II listed building

{{wikidata|property|raw|Q26547186|P1435}} → Q15700834

which is Grade II listed building (Q15700834). You can make your choice of colour from that.

Coincidentally, I've been working with MSGJ to create generic table rows using a new module Module:Wikidata table. It won't do all of the customisation that you've built into your module, so I don't suggest replacing it, but it can generate the sort of tables that are commonly used in list articles directly from Wikidata. The idea is to allow non-Lua programmers to leverage the speed and functionality of a module for many common lists. Here's an example, using your data:

Name	Location	Completed	Architect	Heritage designation (Date of listing)	Notes	Grid ref Geo-coordinates	Image	Entry number	Commons category
1-8, Woodsley Terrace	Leeds	1856		Grade II listed building (from Oct 1995)	notes for Woodsley Terrace	SE2905934481 53°48′21″N 1°33′37″W		1255607
Roger Stevens Building	Leeds	1970	Chamberlin, Powell and Bon	Grade II* listed building (from Jun 2010)	Roger Stevens Building	SE2943134378 53°48′18″N 1°33′17″W		1393836	Stevens Building, University of Leeds Roger Stevens Building, University of Leeds

References

It's a work in progress and needs to recognise that Commons category should be urlencoded before being linked. It's easy to create a sub-template like {{Wdtable row/lighthouse}} to save having to type the list of properties each time. You can see it used in List of lighthouses in England and that might give you some ideas. --RexxS (talk) 17:22, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

that's really helpful, thanks. An example of requiring module:WD would be useful as I'm still finding my feet (very slowly) into the LUA coding so require etc are still mostly a mystery to me. Nthep (talk) 17:36, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@Nthep: I've made a demo module at Module:Sandbox/RexxS/Wd and put its output along with comparisons with the equivalent {{wikidata}} calls at its talk page Module talk:Sandbox/RexxS/Wd. See if that gives you sufficient idea. --RexxS (talk) 21:40, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Again, thanks for the guidance. I've done some tidying up and although I'm sure it can be drastically improved I'm ok with it. I ever managed to work out some SQL to populate it with. One last question (for the time being anyway) - is there a way to return a site link. For example wikidata:Q7432461 has a sitelink to the WP article School of Geography, University of Leeds. I can't see any property value associated with the sitelink. The idea is to use the WD label unless there is a WP article in which case I'd link to the WP article. Nthep (talk) 20:48, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

@Nthep: You've done a good job, I've been following your module sandbox and it looks absolutely fine. The function you want in Lua is mw.wikibase.getSitelink("Q7432461"), but you might want to look at Module:Wikidata table lines 179-203, the _getLink function for code that will return a complete wiki-link from the entity-id (qid), wherever possible. The display returned from the function matches the capitalisation of the label (sitelinks are always capitalised). You're always free to re-use any code I write and there's no attribution required. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 22:00, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi again, still progressing and refining this module now at Module:Wdtablerow/listed buildings. A couple of questions:

1. Lua syntax is not A and not B the same as not (A and B) ?
2. There's a WD item that has two values for property P84. My code as it stands picks up just the first, how do I pick up both (all) instances of a property?

Thanks again. (PS no rush if the arbcom case is occupying your time) Nthep (talk) 18:28, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

You might consider asking further questions at WT:Lua. Re Q1: no. In not A and not B each not has a high precedence so it is (not A) and (not B) which is not (A or B) although exactly what that means in Lua would need careful thought since only false and nil are regarded as false. Johnuniq (talk) 23:59, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Strike second question, I think I've worked it out. Nthep (talk) 21:17, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Images left

If you look at my talk today you see a box on top with the DYK for Wilhelm Knabe. I'd like him to look "in", so would like a way to have the image box left, {{user QAIbox}} while the default should be right. Also: the box "disturbs" indenting, - any help for that?

Next question, below is a section about Jörg Widmann, also with a person pictured who looks right and would better be left, in an indented entry. Could he (just the image) be left and how if yes? - Have some flowers, - I made sure on a hike yesterday that they really bloom right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:49, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

miss you --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:49, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Is there anybody watching here who can help me? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:51, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi, Gerda. I do not think so. It appears that Template:User QAIbox uses Template:Infobox, which really invokes Module:Infobox, but we're already at the (sad) answer, AFAICS: Infoboxes are always right-aligned.

Now, you've got Knabe's QAIbox in a div on (that version of) your page, which is what's helping it be centered. So you can do this with the div: <div style="margin: auto auto auto 0; max-width:38em; ..., where the 0 (zero) gives you a left-margin of 0, but that's for the whole QAIbox, which again, uses an infobox, which pushes the text to its left inside it.

Sorry for the bad news; I don't now what else you can do. — JohnFromPinckney (talk) 10:26, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Arbitration Case Opened

You were recently listed as a party to a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/RexxS. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/RexxS/Evidence. Please add your evidence by March 13, 2021, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/RexxS/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, SQL^{Query me!} 04:38, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

YGM. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:21, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Oh Dear, one turns ones back for five minutes and you all get into all sorts of ridiculous predicaments. I was going to make a statement in your defence, but the opining Arbs all seem to be beyond my ken. Where on earth have they all come from? I suppose it’s connected with the schools all being currently closed. It’s a pity because I have vast experience of trumped up incivility cases. Anyhow, I can only point you in the direction of this: coping with idiots. It’s very old, but I think you’ll find the types of Wikipedians still prevail. What a nuisance for you, but I’ve no doubt you’ll keep smiling through. Don’t laugh too much though, it can make people look a little simple, or like an American with newly bleached teeth - why do they do that to themselves? I see Trump has popped up again, he’ll probably start editing Wikipedia now he has the time, if he’s not already. What a world! Giano (talk) 20:22, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Trump's got no Wikipedian editing career; he wouldn't know what a reliable source was if one came up from behind and shouted "boo". Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:14, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

LocalPunk

In blocking LocalPunk, you prevented him from editing Autisim, but not Autism. Maybe you should fix the error? 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 11:08, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

He is not around. Please find someone else. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:08, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

I took care of it. Bishonen | tålk 14:44, 2 March 2021 (UTC).

Thank you, Bish. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:23, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

A rather neat solution

St Agatha of Sicily

As you probably know, I don’t normally hold with Papist claptrap, Henry VIII was one of my childhood hero’s, but my nephew assures me that praying to the Blessed Saint Agatha of Sicily solves most problems including violent eruptions and whatnot. Funny woman if you ask me, it’s all very well making great value out of virginity; nymphomaniac I expect, they always find religion, anyway, I’m digressing. Apparently you pray to her, and your enemies are immediately swamped in molten lava and are vaporised, then their neighbourhood is swallowed by an earthquake. Quite a neat solution, one can’t help but admire Sicilians. The Lady Catherine de Burgh (talk) 21:58, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

She doesn't seem to work for losing weight though. I suppose you can't ask for everything. Johnbod (talk) 22:06, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

//Buck Flower makes an inappropriate pass at the Lady, while at the same time, ducking from Bishzilla's wrath (yes, he is that versatile!). El_C 17:34, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

• Never mock the power of the Catholic saints! Do you think I would be the highly respected elder statesman of Wikipedia without them? Everything I am, I owe to the blessed Saint Dymphna. Whose page tells me has her sacred shrine in Massillon, Ohio. Which begs the curious question: what the fuck was she doing there? Giano (talk) 20:04, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

  Me? Erm, I mean, Mr. Flower? Never! Also, joy for a Giano sighting! I feel like a birdwatcher when they come across a most rare and beautiful bird. El_C 20:19, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

  @Giano: She's Irish, and they are everywhere, even Ohio. There are more Irish outside Ireland than inside: well-known fact. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 13:28, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

  The blessed and much revered Santa Dymphna (of blessed memory) is Sicilian! Just because every USA President likes to claim some tenuous ancestry to Ireland, doesn’t mean Catholic saints have to too. Much as it pains me to point this out, Catholic saints are not inclined to spend their vacations in Ohio, wherever that is! Giano (talk) 22:01, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

  Her Wikipedia page says According to Christian tradition, St. Dymphna was born in Ireland in the 7th century. Dymphna's father Damon was a petty king of Oriel. - no mention of Sicily. Maybe it was vandalised? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:56, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the laugh!Littleolive oil (talk) 22:36, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

You’ll claiming next that Don Corleone’s middle name was Patrick. Giano (talk) 17:40, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

I am horrified, simply horrified, to see that so many of you have commented in this section without any one of you calling out on Lady de Burgh for "Henry VIII was one of my childhood hero’s". At what kind of school did she learn English? I mean, that is not grammatically complete, as it doesn't specify one of her childhood hero's what. One of her childhood hero's ancestors? One of her childhood hero's worst enemies? One of her childhood hero's ex-boyfriends? One of her childhood hero's socks? Hmmph. JBW (talk) 22:16, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Young man! (I assume that’s what you are; although with all this frequent chopping and changing who knows these days). When you are as old as I, then you may presume to lecture me on apostrophe abuse. The poor grammar of my secretary’s iPad is beyond my very far reaching control. More to the point, when is this Rex man going to return? We can’t spend eternity here waiting, and quite frankly, none of us (he included, he does look rather elderly) have time on our sides. One can’t go stomping off into the wilderness every time some jumped up school of little traffic wardens adopt ideas above their stations. We all saw what happened in the 1930s when traffic wardens overreached themselves. The Lady Catherine de Burgh (talk) 19:52, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

@Catie, old girl: Interesting that you refer to "this Rex man" as looking "rather elderly", but address me as "young man". If I remember correctly there is less than a year's difference between my age and his; certainly less than two years. As for "apostrophe abuse", if you check my editing history you will find that the very first edit I made with this account, almost 15 years ago, was removing a superfluous apostrophe, so that's my speciality. JBW (talk) 20:34, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

... and since you bemoan "chopping and changing", what are we to make of this? JBW (talk) 22:18, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject Medicine Newsletter - March 2021

Issue 10—March 2021

WikiProject Medicine Newsletter

Here is what's happening around the project:

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Ajpolino (talk) 18:55, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Help pls

You've helped me before with a template issue I had and so I'm hoping you can help again. {{Pete Buttigieg series}} is causing the articles it's transcluded into to have an extra blank line at the top of the page. Could you figure out what's causing it?  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 05:59, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Bait30, sorry and sad: he is not around. Look around. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:47, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Hey, it's five o'clock here. I already missed 4:20 today, but not cocktail hour. Cheers! Drmies (talk) 23:19, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

RexxS - I make a point of not getting involved in the politics of this place, which is why I’ve never commented at RfA, apart from your own. I made the exception because I have much appreciated your help, advice and judgement. I should be very sorry if your departure is permanent. But you would not be the first to decide there are better ways of spending one’s free time, and you might well be right. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 21:56, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

RexxS, I wish I could pop round with a couple of bottles of beer, put my feet up on your coffee table and chew the fat with you for a while like a couple of old Brummie farts with a career in education behind them, but I'll probably now never get back to the UK. I've been through the same swamp of slime and vengeance and got the T-shirt mercilessly ripped off my back for keeping my gob shut and naÏvely expecting the Committee to do an honest job. Anyway, mate, I hope whatever the outcome, it hasn't driven you away forever. I tried to stomp off and retire but I keep drifting back doing some minor edits on the fly and will probably continue to do so for another couple of years until I get dementia or pop my clogs. More importantly, I hope you are well - drop me an email of you can. Chris Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:38, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

And I'm not too far away, realistically speaking - I can get up to your neck of the woods easily enough once lockdown ends and trains re-open. I've been talking to Smirkybec about Dublin quite a bit recently and wanting to go back there, ideally taking the Euston - Holyhead train and foot ferry, which I've never done. Perhaps we could propose a meetup there when this madness is over; we can probably bring ClemRutter along for the ride. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:20, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

As previously offered, happy to give any visiting Wikipedians a tour of Dublin, as I was a tour guide in a previous life! We can all feel very literary and head to Davy Byrne's pub for a gorgonzola sandwich :) You can gaze upon Daniel O'Connell and his street too! Smirkybec (talk) 12:40, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

RexxS: you better be back. Please. I have been praying to Agatha of Sicily as The Lady Catherine de Burgh recommends, it "solves most problems". She didn't mention how long these "solutions" take. Obviously she knows more than she hints. I hope our community finds ways to focus on this project instead of freezing the best contributors. There will always be occasions, when both sides erupt in frustration and passion, because they care about this project, may be a bit too much. We have too many issues here and too much misinformation and too many quality issues, and "whatnot" in wikipedia as The Lady would say. You are among those who have helped to address this and develop tools to make wikipedia a lot better than it would be otherwise. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 12:59, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Now a Ms Sarah Welch sighting, too? //Spreading wings. El_C 14:14, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

I am easily taken for a ride!!!--ClemRutter (talk) 16:24, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

You must pray harder Ms Sarah Welch; I saw a movie once where all these (frankly rather odd) girls in a convent prayed while kneeling on dried peas. Have you tried that? Apparently, it concentrates the prayer. Isn’t that amazing? If only I didn’t have arthritis, I’d join you. The blessed St Agatha is a very close relative of my nephew, and she looks most kindly on donations to assist her miracles. Please PM me for bank details. The Lady Catherine de Burgh (talk) 19:32, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

That would be an ecumenical matter Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:05, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Like. YES! Favourite episode! (I've used that line on Wikipedia on multiple occasions, btw.) El_C 14:50, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

El_C, how did you pass RfA? Was it, like "collect twelve crisp packets and become an admin?" Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:53, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Yup, pretty much. You know, the "Grant unto Him Eternal adminship" of circa 2005...¯\_(ツ)_/¯ El_C 15:37, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

ClemRutter, me too, though it requires a little more planning and quite a bit more travelling from my neck of the woods. @Ritchie333 and Smirkybec: I absolutely loved Dublin the only time I've been there and I'd happily come over for a weekend to drink Guiness with some Wikipedian friends. Just give me enough notice. My war memorials project will eventually take me to Dublin, but for an amusing juxtaposition, I was actually there for a Taylor Swift concert. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:01, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

HJ Mitchell, I honestly do like Taylor Swift as well - but this really did make me smile: [1] — Ched (talk) 23:38, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

I was in Dublin once. I remember it well but it was before I was old enough to drink. It's a bit far from here though. Best if all you guys could get over to BKK if they ever do hold a live Wikimania again. We have draught Guinness here. War memorials? Then you'd want to take a quick day trip to Kanchanaburi while you're here, Harry. I'll drive you. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:19, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Impact

Impact

Thank you for your impact
in a reasoned approach, fresh wind to an emotional topic

(repeated from User talk:RexxS/Archive 40#Impact)

I wanted to give you this for your passion for accessibility. I wrote a little article today (to nourish and grow) about the new ways, and wish you all the best for yours. Miss your help, and - more - you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:51, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

I hope User:Gerda Arendt doesn't mind me adding to this - in real life, I have a passion for accessibility features when they are feasible - unlike most who seem to only "like" them when they are easy and cheap. When I began on Wikipedia, I didn't realize just how much thought went into accessibility on Wikipedia - but I still remember you introducing me to WP:DTT which I attempt to follow completely in articles and everywhere else where feasible now. Sure, it takes more time to follow DTT guidance, and it takes more time to attempt to comply with MOS:LISTGAP and other guidelines, but that time is worth it because it is feasible to do so (i.e. doesn't require intensive coding of each instance). It still pains me to think that some people may be virtually unable to contribute to talk pages and articles because they would need to deal with sloppy code which is unintelligible to screen readers and other assistive software/devices... but I do my best now to fix problems when I see them and can. I worry that if we lose you permanently we may lose one of the most accessibility-focused administrators on Wikipedia - but after having seen the arbitration case and how it seems that some negative things are being given undue weight given all the good. In my opinion, people are treating you worse than the AstraZeneca vaccine is in some media right now - and that is an issue in which life/death can be invoked - yet they're still treating you worse for things much more minor. If you happen to see this, please just know that your dedication to accessibility has left a mark on me for the duration of my Wikipedia editing - since you showed me WP:DTT I've actively searched for accessibility guidance on this website and attempted to assist with more - and intend to continue to do so. Regards -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 03:03, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

I would also like to say that Rexx's accessibility work has been great. He did a really good job of explaining accessibility and alt image texts at a London meetup a few months ago, which encouraged me to go back through articles I'd create to add alt text for accessibility. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:44, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Well, whaddayaknow. It's beer time again. Cheers RexxS. Drmies (talk) 02:31, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

... and modest flowers

Hope you see some! On Bach's birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:38, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Can anybody watching tell me what is wrong with the last ref in Formula composition? I get a harv error, but it works as it should. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:31, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

(Watching)  Done Grimes2 (talk) 10:02, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. Sometimes I'm so blind ... - Recommended reading and sort of related --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:46, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Today Bach's cantata composed for today, - perhaps listen, - talking of lovely shine, for everyone who needs some. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:57, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Ritchie, as for your question below: I asked two questions above, the first before RexxS was gone - but him not answering told me he was gone - and one later. I found help both times. We could have a corner here of Questions RexxS would have been the number one to ask, and see what talk page watchers can do. He always did the pic alt texts for FAC articles for me, for example, and repair image licensing. The cantata managed to succeed to FA without him. He wrote the little template for the precious anniversaries. When you see one or two, think of him with thanks. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:02, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Back to Bach's cantata: ... the first performance was on a Palm Sunday which is today, and Yoninah's obituary with the beginning of Passover today - putting some little ego-battles in perspective --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:14, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Remedies and findings of facts which relate to you have been proposed on the proposed decision page of RexxS

Hi RexxS, in the open RexxS arbitration case, a remedy or finding of fact has been proposed which relates to you. Please review this decision and draw the arbitrators' attention to any relevant material or statements. Comments may be brought to the attention of the committee on the proposed decision talk page. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz ^{talk to me | my contributions} 08:29, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

If you would like to comment on any of these proposed principles, findings of facts and remedies you may comment on the proposed decision talk page. I understand that you have not been recently editing, so may not see this message until the case has been closed, but if you do see this message before the case is closed your input and comments will be welcome at the proposed decision talk. If you have questions for me, do ask here. Dreamy Jazz ^{talk to me | my contributions} 08:29, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

• How very droll to see the wasted hot air being ejaculated on that page, by the cringing, little mediocrities who pass as Arbs these days. Mind you, they weren’t much better in the past. I suppose, it’s like small town mayors and Freemasons: Arbs have always been rather Clochemerle, so they are only upholding Wikipedia’s finest traditions. However, even by the Arbs self-humiliating standards “RexxS did not participate after the Case was opened” does smack of rather obvious pompous indignation. Nobody like to be ignored, but most of us have the good sense to hide it. I suppose “good sense” is the telling phrase there. I’ve no idea if you will return or not, I hope you do, but who could blame you if you choose to not? Giano (talk) 22:16, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

• Sounds like you could use some cheese. PackMecEng (talk) 23:13, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
• NYB does point out he hasn't edited at all since the case began. Johnbod (talk) 04:21, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• I expect the motion (why does that word always sound so medical?) was necessary, as most of the Arbs aren’t actually following the case, but just marching out to vote as their cohorts are telling them elsewhere. Apart from NYB (who seems to be a perennial Arb, there for far longer than is good for anyone), I don’t believe any of them are on my radar. Anyway, the longer Rex is away, the more unlikely his return will be. It’s like giving up smoking, once you’ve done three weeks, it gets easier. What a waste for the project. Giano (talk) 21:18, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/RexxS closed

The final decision in the RexxS arbitration case has been made and the case subsequently was closed. The final decision is viewable on the main case page. One remedy was passed as part of the final decision, which is included below:

• RexxS (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) administrative privileges are revoked. He may apply to have them reinstated at any time via a new request for adminship.

For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz ^{talk to me | my contributions} 23:29, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard § Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/RexxS closed

Hoping you will come back

RexxS, I sincerely hope that you will come back to Wikipedia. The very significant good things that you have done for the project, for which you deserve abundant thanks, really have very little to do with adminship, and much more to do with what you have to offer as the person you are. Please take as much time as feels right, but when you are ready, I hope to see you back here again. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:55, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

• Sadly, that seems most unlikely. Wikipedia gets to keep the editors it deserves. What passes for Arbs these days, will realise, if and when they grow up, that “what goes around comes around,” which no doubt they will think is a Justin Timberlake song. Assuming one cares, it’s really quite concerning. Giano (talk) 00:29, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

• I dunno what to say, RexxS. Others will come here and say it for me. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:24, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
• Atsme 💬 📧 03:03, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
• I'm very much saddened to find out what's happened here. Please know that I deeply appreciated your accessibility work and advocacy over the years. It was also great to get the chance to meet you in person at Wikimania back in 2012. I wish you the best for whatever you decide to do in the future. Graham87 07:12, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
• Such a disappointing outcome, but totally expected from that kangaroo court. You've been a great editor and hopefully at some point you'll be back helping fix the accessibility issue on here. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:39, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
• Come back when you're ready. Being an admin is a worthless, thankless, pointless overhead on improving Wikipedia. The place is worse off without you. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:58, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
• Quoted from Antandrus: "May our lives be about kindness. ... You know what I like most about Wikipedia, ultimately? It gives stuff away for free. All our little ego-battles blow away in the wind. They're nothing. The articles remain." (February 2021) - My expectation for your return is slim. Why would you? I said before this last ego-battle that it wouldn't improve kindness, nor an article. So I'm with Bish here. See also, for diving in. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:18, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
• I...was not expecting this. :( I hope you come back. Been fortunate to interact with you in person and I know what a great person and fantastic editor you are. Acalamari 10:29, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
• I'm not happy about this. Yesterday I was improving Rocky Mount Instruments, thinking "This could do with an infobox to be consistent with similar articles, what's the best one to use and how should I mark it up. I'll ask .... oh wait, I can't, he's left". :-( I don't mind Arbcom trying out new things to make the overall arbitration experience better, but not putting ProcrastinatingReader as a party to the case was a major error, as it gives people the impression they can now dig up dirt on admins they don't like and haul them off to Arbcom without fear of boomerangs. And I don't even think PR wanted this, anyway. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:53, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
• Yes, of course. Not holding my breath, though.... Johnbod (talk) 13:36, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
• Take care. PackMecEng (talk) 14:19, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
• Wishing you the best - and I completely understand why you don't come back if you don't - nobody should ever have to be dragged through what you were and you will be missed. I'll do my best to try and keep editing because I don't think you'd want people to leave over your treatment. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 14:23, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
• I do so hope that we shall see you restored to us. You really must not take these things too much to heart. The world is run by some very sad people, one just has to rise above. When one obstacle pops up, one just finds a way of overcoming it. The Lady Catherine de Burgh (talk) 21:28, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
• Much has been said which I cannot phrase any better. When and if you return, it will not only be appreciated by fellow editors who understand what value is yours to add to the encyclopaedia, but also by its readers, unbeknownst of what goes on within. Peace, RexxS. —Sluzzelin talk 23:07, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
• Miss your level head and helpful guidance. You are missed and I hope you will return soon. The ArbCom case was a complete mess and there was absolutely no rhyme or reason to it. Montanabw^(talk) 07:22, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
• And that's why I don't like ArbCom. 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 10:29, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
• So sorry it has gone this way. I hope we see you back again. Meanwhile stay safe. PamD 15:15, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
• There was a time, some years ago, when I thought that the arbitration committee, while not perfect, was substantially a constructive and reasonable group of people, doing on the whole a good job. However, times move on, and there is a turnover of members of the committee, and over the last few years they have, in my opinion, become more and more a bunch of useless fools. Maybe not yet all of them deserve that description, but any exceptions there may be are gradually disappearing. The RexxS case is just one more nail in the coffin of the respect that I once had for the arbitration committee. Stupid. Stupid. JBW (talk) 19:49, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
• I'm also sorry about the whole thing, but would like to remind you that most productive editors aren't admins and don't need to be. As an admin or not, it doesn't affect my view that you did a lot of useful work and still could if you decided to edit again. In any case, thank you for your contributions and I hope to see you around in the future. Meanwhile, have a happy break, —PaleoNeonate – 23:07, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
• Very sad to see this whole business. You are missed. SarahSV ^(talk) 01:38, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
• I wish you happiness whether here or somewhere else. Littleolive oil (talk) 03:22, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
• I can't say it better than JBW. Getting rid of one of our most dedicated and most valuable contributors and educators, for pushing back against individuals stubbornly refusing to adhere to consensus, is one of the most damaging things ArbCom has done for some time. RexxS, you've done far more for this project than most of those clowns will ever do in thie lifetimes, and you certainly have my thanks for that. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:46, 29 March 2021 (UTC)