User talk:Theroadislong

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Irakli_Beridze

Dear Theroadislong, the page was resubmitted and cleaned up according to your suggestions. It was very helpful. Many thanks. Would you be able to approve it, or advise how to proceed further. Regards, and many thanks in advance

Astro Switch On

Hi Theroadislong,

I was wondering what you mean by independent sources? I would think that the article that was released by their label would be considered independent? The first source that I used was from naver which was declined because apparently that was not reliable. Should I include the link from their official twitter account to make sure that this article gets approved? I mean I looked up their previous articles from their past albums and the naver source was approved there... Let me know thank you!

RE My Rupert Gather Article

Hi Theroadislong,

I was just wondering if you could give me some more insight into what I need to do to make my article publishable? I notice on one of the links you say that its not he right type of link or something, is there a youtube video you could direct me to that can explain how to change that?

Thanks,

Christian

Draft: Naosaku Takahashi

Hi again Theroadislong,

I deleted the first one fron Japanese Wikipedia. Thanks. The other two are from the home pages of still existing institutes for the needy, which were established by Naosaku Takahashi. By the way, as Naosaku Takahashi is a historikal figure (1886-1976), his Website informaton is limited. However, Naosaku Takahashi was an important figure of social work in Japan, during and after the war, WWII. Unfortunately, his writings, including his autobiography, and critical evaluations were published in Japanese only. But I, IyataYada, tried to cite the limited literature which is housed in National Diet Library of Japan; and CiNii of National Institute of Informatics, Japan, for everyone's reference to reach out the original sources. Although he is not a famous in the U.S.A. and other foreign countries, I belive that this English version will help the English speaking people in the Wikipedia community.

Best regards, IyataYada

Thanks!

Thanks for the message. I totally did that page wrong--thought I was submitting my user page info. (doh!). Thanks for your support. I'll check it out. I hope I'm doing THIS message correctly. haha

National Environmental Education Foundation

Not clear on what is considered advertising about our entry

Hello. We submitted an entry for the National Environmental Education Foundation. We made sure to source all the information and make sure we included only facts about an organization that was chartered by Congress in the 1990 National Environmental Education Act. I would like to better understand how to improve this as I've followed all the guidance I've read on Wikipedia. Thank you very much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:14d:8a00:29d0:99d:d71b:8e9d:2020 (talk • contribs)

Giffy & Co,

Thanks for speedying the duplicated draft. I have rejected the 'main' one as was done previously. Tripped myself up there when moving to draft by 'hidden' subpage. Cheers. Eagleash (talk)

Draft:Adolf Shapiro ‎

The link is nevertheless to active Wiki article.

More importantly picture or article - the issue is minimum standard for inline citations

John Grandits article draft

Hi Friend, I'm trying to get some feedback on why our Wikipedia draft for children's poet John Grandits was rejected. My daughter and I put it together after she was assigned a research project in school to find biographical details on him. Since he had no Wikipedia page, we created one together (paying pretty careful attention to formatting and criteria). I've looked a bit at the notability guidelines and do think he has enough creative work to be notable. Any more feedback that could help us prove notability-- other than the awards, lists of article and publications? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:John_Grandits

Thank you for providing feedback on Draft:Boris_Maciejovsky

I appreciate the time you took to go over my submitted draft.

In response to your comment, I made some edits to include sources for the biography section.

In footnote 9, I included a link to the library at the University Wien. In footnote 10, I included a link to the PhD thesis at MIT Libraries. In footnote 11, I included a link to the author's CV that lists all previous academic appointments..

Again, many thanks for taking the time to improve the submission!

Draft:Thoughts of the Day

I have read WP:NOTBOOK and found the following criteria: The book has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself. This can include published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles , other books, television documentaries, bestseller lists, and reviews. This excludes media re-prints of press releases, flap copy, or other publications where the author, its publisher, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the book.

Then why asking specifically for book reviews? I am not geeting

Tommy Adkins author

Ok I just read in your talk section "Wikipedia is not interested in the truth only reliable sources." Well that explains it. Thanks again..

page of Pradyumna Kishore Bal

Hello there:

We wish to create a page on Mr Pradyumna Kishore Bal who was a very notable personality from Odisha, India. He was an elected Member of Parliament of the Indian general election in 1977. Committed to social causes, Mr Bal founded the newspaper Pragativadi which is still in operation and is considered to be one of the leading dailies in Odisha. The page is intended to carry verifiable facts about Mr Bal. We would love to have it on Wikipedia.

Thank you.

Pranay

I've made changes to reflect your comments on my COIN-related page

Hi Theroadislong,

Thanks for letting me know that my article submission was too 'advertisy'. I created COIN as an open-source, non-commercial framework, but I guess my enthusiasm got the better of the article. I have rewritten it, and taken out any reference to anything that may sound commercial or advertorial. Just to clear any misconceptions, I have removed the references to my book on the subject.... I'm not doing this to sell books, but because I want people to use and enjoy the open-source framework.

Can you let me know if this is the better style, and publish if so? If not, can you let me know which part specifically is not good enough?

Coverage of the framework is fairly widespread, but within the context of the innovation-management industry.... I guess you need to take into account that this is a fairly small group. The magazines, blogs and conferences that published about COIN are in fact global, leading events. Bear in mind that I have not paid anything to anyone to provide this coverage!

Thank you very much!

Bob Martino article

I will fix this. Were there any other problematic areas?

BioFoodLab Draft

Hi Theroadislong, I created this draft and have no relationship (paid or other) to the subject matter. I have also rewritten the page for neutral tone, as per the editors' requests, as well as substituted any "contributor" references with others. Thanks!

Regarding editing of the title

Dear Theroadislong,

Thank you for your comment. I have canceled all the ® in the text and inserted some more professional information but can I leave the ® in the title?

I have read a lot about this brand and I have always found it next to the name. For example on this article from the Red Bull Racing Blog https://www.redbull.com/int-en/redbullracing/in-the-driving-seat-with-playseat

Also, do you have other advises to make it better from a professional point of view?

Best regards,

Rita

Cyberbiznes

Hello! As you ordered, I have removed internal links. There are only links to independent pages. Is this version acceptable for wikipedia? Best Regards Antoniewicz1977

Charles W Taylor Jr of Rice University is a Member of the Senior Executive Service of the United States, as documented on June 25, 1990. Where can his certificate be sent for verification?

Where can I send the certificate for verification

Urtain Draft from user Malbadi

Dear Theroadislong,

Thank you for your review to my draft. I removed the IMDb reference and only left the references to wellknown newspapers such us The New York Times or spanish newspaper El Mundo. Regarding not qualifying this article as a Wikipedia article, must be a missunderstanding.

Jose Manuel Urtain is listed amon the EBU heavyweight champion in Wikipedia. Is almost the only one of that list that has not his own article, as the rest of the champions have they own page.

Could you pleas help me telling me how can I make the article stronger?

Many thanks and best regards,

need help for ariticle submission

Toyoharu Tanabe

hi, i was writing this article about toyoharu tanabe which it got declined due to non-reliable references.

he had a japanese wiki article written on him which include references but they are in japanese does those goona consider as reliable sources(one of them is the honda's official japanese website).

if not does this espn article goona work which have mentions about him and this japantimes article also mentioned him.

and also this wiki template about honda also includes his name.

sorry, this is my first article so dont know many hope you help me.

Women in Computing Europe

Hi Theroadislong, Thank you for your comments. They are very helpful as I can now identify some of the specific issues. I will correct these and see what else I can do to improve the page. Regards, Ruth

Draft:Reborn (Digital Creative Agency)

Hi Theroadislong - thank you for reviewing and providing feedback.

I'm happy to make any changes but just want to make sure I edit the right things out.

We have modelled the submission on this agency based on other similar agencies, for example the listing for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huge_(digital_agency)

Also, it is worth noting that the citations used are all independent and respected news and industry news sources in Australia.

I've made a few edits to reduce the text, but let me know if more should be removed.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Article still not published

Dear Theroadislong, My article was still not approved as you have mentioned that it's not worthy for wikipedia and it doesn't have significant coverage. Sidarth sathoo has been covered by Amar Ujala which was started in the year 1999. The athlete itself has created history by becoming the first kashmiri pandit boy to achieve the title of Mr North and Mr Jammu. He also has been covered by 'Rising Kashmir' which is a 13 year old publication which is widely read in Kashmir and North India. Please let me know how these decade old publications are not significant?

Positive Learning

Hello, i deleted all the links and rewritten the article already. Can you please point down the advertisement in this article. Are you trying to bully me?

I was reading so many articles and they even do ads clearly there and you stilla approve it.

External links in body

I've removed them. Thank you for pointing this out. Mathman8574

Esther Gelcer

Hi is there anything that I can do to move Esther Gelcer Wikipedia Page forward? She asked me to create this page for her and I do not understand what.. This means ...you wrote... they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published. Thank I appreaciate your help navigating Wikipedia!

Draft:Abdʿobodat

Hi

Thanks for your feedback. I added two more sources to the article. But I just want to say that I’m not creating this article by itself and leaving it. As you may know it’s very rare that we actually get the names of individual architects who created the monuments of the ancient world. In this case we have two or three names from Hegra and Petra (both are world heritage sites, and one of them was voted to be one of the modern wonders of the world). For some reason there are no English sources or articles about these names but if this is accepted I can then link this article with others and with the other existing articles on the subject.

submission declined

hi there, I am writing this message because an article submission was declined by you. I have updated the article to some extinct. please approve the article now since it's only a biography of an American actress. i hope you will listen to my request regard, W8town-studios

Draft:Absolute pressure leak testing

Thanks for the notification, i have added the reference section to the draft "Absolute pressure leak testing".

Is there anything else I can do?

Draft:Larissa Andrade

Hi, this draft keeps getting re-submitted without improvement; I am 99.9% certain that it has been previously been submitted in an identical format (there are some corrections in ths source I recognise) by an account with a similar user name. I recall it being declined, rejected and (maybe) deleted by several editors of whom I 'think' you were one. I cannot find anything in deletion logs or contribs. Any clues? There's obviously some 'manipulation' going on. I will reject it (pro-tem). Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 13:23, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

I have no recollection, but it clearly doesn't meet WP:GNG reject seems to be the next step. Theroadislong (talk) 13:30, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Ah; oh well, not to worry! Thanks anyway. Eagleash (talk) 13:36, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Congratulations from WikiProject Articles for Creation!

	The Content Review Medal & The Gold Wiki Award
	Congratulations! You have earned The Content Review Medal and The Gold Wiki Award for getting the highest score during the WikiProject Articles for creation July 2021 Backlog Drive. You reviewed an outstanding 1388 drafts. Thank you for your work to improve Wikipedia! On behalf of WikiProject Articles for Creation, Enterprisey (talk!) 00:15, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Draft of new Wikipedia article

Hi, Hope you're well. I just amended and updated the new site I'm working on and would be grateful if you would take a look for me as you've done on the other sites I created, just so I know if I'm still on the right track. Thanks a lot for all your help. The article link is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Candice_Onyeama

Draft:Sheru photography

I get the all information from the independent new source also websites where they talking about the Sheru who knowing now sheru photography. Also, I apologize because I get some of points from the medium so, there I fixed text which totally unique from, my side such as Hindu told about sheru students from butterflies mentioned in his work. So it's totally independents. and authentic infomation in article.

It looks like your draft Draft:Sheru photography was deleted for the 7th time, it now requires administrator access because it was repeatedly recreated, the topic is not notable in any case. Theroadislong (talk) 10:57, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Notability for Draft: Crompton Greaves Consumer Electricals Limited

Hi, I have included a reference from a prominent Indian magazine, Outlook Business, that has significant coverage on the company. This article covers the history of the company, its current business. I have also included another Indian magazine, The Week that had some more coverage on the company's R&D There is also a news report by Reuters that talks about the corporate demerger that formed this company. Are these not considered to be sufficient coverage for notability? From my understanding, these are significant coverage that are also independent, reliable, and secondary. Please let me know what else I can add that can get this draft approved.

Edit: This is also a publically traded company that is also frequently covered by financial news outlets. Should I also include independent press coverage and analyst reports of the stock?

Your draft was rejected, there is nothing more you can do, except give back any money that you have been paid to edit. Theroadislong (talk) 13:07, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Thanks for editing all of these pages. A 100,000 Is a a lot of edits! The furret lover (talk) 18:21, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Reply on your comment

Sir , recently you commented on page https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Nathu_Lal_Verma&diff=next&oldid=1042990583

I want to say that this is Autobiography page of artist who is alive.Please review this page.

I will be grateful to you Thanks Yours sincerely Ram Gopal Arta India

Re: Vietcetera Media's article rejection

Hi Theroadislong,

I'm the one submitting the Vietcetera Media's article for approval. I've just learned that the article has been rejected because:

1/ It's not written in neutral tone. 2/ Problems with sources.

If possible, can I please have a minute of your time to clarify these problems, especially: why is it not considered "neutral tone" but an advertisement?

For sources, I have used a variety of sources, from leading media companies in the world like The New York Times and CNN, everything has been referenced properly. Most of the people mentioned in the article have a Wikipedia page (either in English or in Vietnamese) - and I also made sure to include those in the article. Can you help me clarify this as well?

Thank you so much for your time, and if possible, could I get a bit of advice on how to make the article better, as well as other tips on what to do to get it approved?

Best regards, Joey Nguyen.

The whole draft is advertising from start to finish. perhaps you need to read WP:YFA and be sure to declare any conflict of interest. Theroadislong (talk) 10:29, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

references

Hi Theroadislong, I've made a ton of revisions to the self-care page and I'm still in the middle of making those changes. My students prepared the original page and it was a real mess! I've now reorganized it to be logical and I'm in the midst of adding references and content. I stopped yesterday to complete a set of training modules. I'll get back to it again in the next day or two. Thanks for the tip on learning about references. I'll look at that. More to come!! Barbara

Hi again, I just opened the self-care page again and my changes are gone! Help! Please give them back to me so that I don't have to start over!!

Your edits to Self-care removed referenced content and replaced it with unreferenced content, every substantial fact you add requires a source or it will be reverted. You can view your edits by clicking the view history tab. Theroadislong (talk) 17:41, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Draft:ARANER

Hello There, Actually is not a paid content or advertisment. It's just info from the company. Could you give me further information on what's missing or what should I leave out?

Thanks— Preceding unsigned comment added by IncrentaWiki (talk • contribs) 15:36, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia has essentially no interest in anything the company has to say about themselves. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with them have chosen to publish about them. The article should be limited to a summary of what such independent sources have said about them and will need to pass the criteria at WP:NCORP before being accepted. Theroadislong (talk) 17:44, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: James Robert Hornsby

Hello Theroadislong. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of James Robert Hornsby, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: based on the links and the comment there, I assume this was written by a relative but not copied. The newspaper source mentions him 14 years after his death as having built half the buildings in the town, so some significance is indicated. Try AFD instead. Thank you. SoWhy 12:12, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

The Gallery

Thanks for your help there. I'm not as well-versed in edit requests. Hope he's able to proceed as otherwise this is unworkable, unfortunately. Star Mississippi 16:22, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Tag24

Thank you for providing feedback on Tag24 The article is a translation of https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tag24 I have inserted one reference. (like on the German version). Is this enough? Or should I add more? Maybe this: https://meedia.de/2018/02/08/ivw-news-top-50-deutsche-online-nachrichtenangebote-so-populaer-wie-nie-zuvor-visits-rekorde-fuer-bild-upday-welt-zeit-stern-und-f-a-z/? Do you have other advises to make it better? I appreciate your help

Best regards, Helena

This is the English Wikipedia there are quite different guidelines for acceptance here, you will need at least three high quality reliable sources that discuss the company in-depth, see WP:NCORP for the criteria. Theroadislong (talk) 17:11, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Questions on my draft: floating sandbox

Hi, i am splayer, the creator of the draft floating sandbox. you recently reviewed my draft and declined it because of few reasons. one of the reason was that it sounded like advertisement, can you please tell what part of it sounded like advertisement? Splayer28410 (talk) 08:27, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

The whole draft is an advertisement, starting with the external link to their own website, you have misunderstood how Wikipedia works.

Wikipedia summarises what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a topic, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable topic. Theroadislong (talk) 08:41, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Developing Radio Partners Review

Hi, thank you for reviewing my page. I read that using an organization's website for basic info like a mission statement or notable board members was acceptable. The majority of the sources I used were not from the organization's website, and I think I only cited it for the basic info I mentioned before and a few of the smaller projects they are working on. If I delete those smaller projects (or find independent sources for them) can I still cite their website for basic info? I don't think the article hinges on their inclusion, so if I need to delete it, would that then solve the issue? Thanks!

Your draft is absolutely stuffed with inappropriate promotional prose "DRP is focused on solutions, things that work. We seek out the most appropriate and effective practices" "DRP recognizes the power that radio can have in a community and in supporting development efforts." "DRP focuses on understanding and evaluating the stations with which it partners and tailors its approach to meet the stations’ needs." "DRP has trained more than 1,500 journalists around the world" We have no interest either in what founder Siemering has said in interviews. You are going to really struggle to get this draft accepted. Theroadislong (talk) 17:59, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for saying this, my original draft was heavily edited before submission and most of those were added in that process despite my advice not to. I'm having trouble understanding how the 1,500 journalists number or quoting the founder of NPR is inappropriate for an organization training and supporting radio journalists. I'm also wondering if my previous comment about where citing an organization's website would be appropriate (basic org info) is correct.

"DRP has trained more than 1,500 journalists around the world" is sourced to their own website and will need an entirely independent source, we have very little interest in what the founder has said either I'm afraid. Reliable independent sources are what will get the draft accepted, you would be better advised to remove everything sourced to them or their founder and start from there. Theroadislong (talk) 18:41, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Okay, thank you very much. Sorry for any inconvenience.Noahpdoty (talk) 19:37, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Request on 07:13:30, 13 September 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Shujakhan88

• Shujakhan88 (talk · contribs)
  • User:Shujakhan88/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi there, its a plain submission of fact about a product and data destruction tools. WIKIPEDIA has numerous pages of product and software to help the public know about such tools and companies who provide the same. Can you please let me know which part should I delete, rewrite or modify. Please help on this.

Thanks.

Shujakhan88 (talk) 07:13, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Please help (to correct/modify my article submission)

please let me know how I can change my content so that its not an advertisement type.

I am new to this and am sharing info on a product and tool that destroys data. WIKIPEDIA has numerous pages on products, companies and software massed to learn about them. Please help me modify, recreate or delete texts to comply to WIKIPEDIA rules.

I will be really obliged and thankful.

-shuja

Phillip Kane Article

Hello.

Thank you for your help with my article, Phillip Kane.

I am trying to follow the guidelines to meet approval.

In looking at an approved article for Anne Helen Petersen, I'm having a hard time understanding what is preventing approval of the Kane page.

Can you please help me understand more specifically what changes need to be made to meet with your approval?

Thank you very much.

Veritasestpotentia (talk) 20:26, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Request on 20:28:54, 13 September 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Veritasestpotentia

• Veritasestpotentia (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Phillip Kane (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello.

Thank you for your help with my article, Phillip Kane.

I am trying to follow the guidelines to meet approval.

In looking at an approved article for Anne Helen Petersen, I'm having a hard time understanding what is preventing approval of the Kane page.

Can you please help me understand more specifically what changes need to be made to meet with your approval?

Thank you very much.

Veritasestpotentia (talk) 20:28, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Veritasestpotentia (talk) 20:28, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Per my comment on the draft “Blogs, Linkedin.com and Goodreads are not reliable sources and will need replacing” The fact that other poor quality articles exist like Anne Helen Petersen is not a good reason for creating another, see other crap exists. Theroadislong (talk) 20:35, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Draft: RTEUrdu News disclosure

I am not directly or indirectly paid financially or in any other way for the creation of this article. I was researching the trueness and notability about this topic, so I presented my research outcomes. I am also going to submit more articles based on my free research hobby. Thanks

Please note you are editing using a name (Drgasajid) VERY clearly connected to RTEUrdu News as anyone can see. Please make the required disclosure Theroadislong (talk) 07:19, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Help

Why my created draft has been deleted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Brij_Kishore_Sharma_%22Tara%22_(poet)/sandbox I know about it is wrong to make autobiography but see references as references he is notable because of his name in many newspaper articles so I want to know where is problem Is there is problem in References or there is problem in the subject or there is problem in my writing and I want to know how to make that article more better to get his name in wikipedia.

It looks like it has been taggged for speedy deletion because it was created by a banned or blocked user (HARSH VARDHAN SHARMA "TARA") in violation of the user's ban or block, with no substantial edits by others. Theroadislong (talk) 15:37, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

David Bannett

Thank you very much for reviewing Draft:David Bannett. I have added inline citations and sources, as you requested. Would you please go over them and approve the article? Thank you very much,

MordechaiLando (talk) 06:56, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

 Done. Theroadislong (talk) 07:01, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Paid articles

I was paid to create a QUICK HR page

Paid articles

I was paid to create a Quick HR article

Request on 10:44:09, 15 September 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Masil64

• Masil64 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:DevTEd Lite (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi, I need your assistance. I can't understand why my submission was declined (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:DevTEd_Lite).

The reason was: "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia."

So, as far as I can understand my lacks some references from reliable sources. Why? The draft contains 2 different URLs: 1- the URL of the software manufacturer's site (ninjasoft) 2- the URL of an independent site that posts a review of the software (softpedia)

Where's the catch? Thank you.

Masil64 (talk) 10:44, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

You have misunderstood how Wikipedia works. Wikipedia summarises what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a topic, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable business. The software manufacturer's site is not independent so of no use. you will need at least three independent reliable sources that have covered the business in-depth. Theroadislong (talk) 10:50, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

About undisclosed paid edit

Hi @Theroadislong:, How did you know that this Draft:Wellspring Teen Centre draft article is paid editing? Please tell me. Fade258 (talk) 11:03, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

A simple Google search. The creator is editing using their own name. Theroadislong (talk) 11:06, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Edit of Arcitle Thomas Gangl

Hi Theroadislong, I´ve added some references to my article about Thomas Gangl - could you recheck it? Looking forward to the publication (since the German Article about him has been made public without any challenges)--Lisa Kolb (talk) 12:11, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter September 2021

New Page Review queue September 2021

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There are currently 706 New Page Reviewers plus a further 1,080 admins, but as much as nearly 90% of the patrolling is still being done by around only the 20 or so most regular patrollers.

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review request after action on comment

Hi there,

as per your comment on more reliance on press release, we have added further sources and remove most press releases except for places where launch news is to be cited. Please review and help

page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Bitraser

Marcus Lyon

Hi there! I've been careless at Marcus Lyon and draftified it without checking the history properly. If I had, I'd have seen that you'd accepted the draft and would have left it alone – I trust your judgement more than I trust my own. So my apologies for that oversight/unintentional rudeness on my part. If you still feel that the page really belongs in mainspace do please go ahead and move it back. The page creator won't be able to do that or submit the draft, as I've indeffed that account – named for a company run by (surprise, surprise) Marcus Lyon, as you'd presumably already noticed. Big apology, regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:47, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

That's fine, it was a borderline acceptance and soon as I had accepted it I began to feel it was a mistake.Theroadislong (talk) 12:53, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Need for your suggestion`

Hey hii, Can you help me with the issue on the page Umesh Kaushik. How to remove the deletion template. Because there is no issue for deletion this article.

The deletion template cannot be removed, but you can comment on the discussion here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Umesh Kaushik. Theroadislong (talk) 14:33, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Paid editing

Hello Theroadislong, thank you for responding to my inquiry about my articles.

I am not being paid to draft these articles in promotion of anyone. I am however employed by an organization that supports BIPOC artists in my community. I am fearful disclosing the name of the entity supporting my edits, as I have been alerted that BIPOC editors have a history of being Doxxed on Wikipedia.

I am wondering what best practice would be for solving this conflict, and how we can move forward.

Thanks, Anitepres

You have stated elsewhere that "The articles were written by neutral third parties, and I have been paid to upload them to Wikipedia" you are therefore deemed to be a paid editor and you need to make the mandatory disclosure on your user page. As for your assertion that "BIPOC editors have a history of being Doxxed on Wikipedia" I have in 15 years of editing here, every single day, not come across this. Theroadislong (talk) 18:50, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your promtp responses! I have disclosed my employer in the user page as requested. How do I go about removing the paid editor flag from my articles --Anitnepres (talk) 19:01, 16 September 2021 (UTC)Anitepres

Abortive Gasp

Hello, You wrote "press releases and Discogs are not reliable sources" And you are generally right about that. Only in this case is the press release obviously from an important German independent record company that clearly takes a stand against (!) Abortive Gasp and does not advertise the band at all. So it's a rather unusual press release that I think is worth mentioning. Thanks very much--Electroindustrial (talk) 20:46, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Declined submission for Trance Fury

Hey Theroadislong,

Sorry for some of the issues I presented. That is definitely NOT my intention. I'm not sure how to mark that my music was on The Weather Channel without YouTube. There are some fan pages that list all the music. I have a heavy presence with Pandora Radio at 3.1 Million spins. Also, I have a verified account on Instagram.

I realize that you are inundated with millions of crap hourly on Wikipedia and I applaud you keeping your volunteering to make it what it is. I just need some help to get the page to follow the rules. It's very hard to follow everything. I assure you I did not attempt to just throw a page up there :-)

-Matt Fury

As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia summarizes information that appears in independent reliable sources with significant coverage showing how a person meets Wikipedia's special definition of notability You need to show how they pass they pass the criteria at WP:NMUSICIAN.Theroadislong (talk) 14:54, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

requesting verification

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:N%26H_Research_Park

please kindly check again once, some links and data added

Sorry still no indication that they pass WP:NCORP. Theroadislong (talk) 18:40, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Request on 23:21:05, 17 September 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Canestine

• Canestine (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Nokia 6340i (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

How do I add sources? Canestine (talk) 23:21, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

For future reference help see WP:REFB but there is already an article on this phone here Nokia 6310i. Theroadislong (talk) 07:08, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

draft:ericteehee

could you accept my draft please? i worked really hard on the biography. please and thank you! <3

Twitter and spotify are not reliable sources and the draft was rejected, meaning it will not be considered further, sorry.Theroadislong (talk) 07:11, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Review

Hi @Theroadislong:, Can you review any BLP article upon request ? Please tell me. Fade258 (talk) 13:17, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

I could, but I would rather choose which ones to review myself. Theroadislong (talk) 14:42, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Make Articles

Hi @Theroadislong:, Why on Wikipedia can not create Miss Grand International articles.
Dan Earth (talk) 07:00, 19 September 2021 (UTC) Dan Earth (talk) 07:00, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Dan Earth Looks like it is WP:TOOSOON to create Miss World 2022 as it hasn't happened yet. Theroadislong (talk) 07:45, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Theroadislong If that I know, it's been a candidate Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miss World 2022, but what I ask about Miss Grand, because Miss Grand the level is the same as Miss Supranational

Sorry my mistake, but the Miss Grand article already exists? Theroadislong (talk) 08:17, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

The competition per year, which I see just draft only. Does the Miss Grand article are not worthy in Wikipedia? Or why! Thank you

The draft Draft:Miss Grand International 2021 hasn't been submitted for review yet? Theroadislong (talk) 08:55, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

revision made according to comment

Please re-review and let us know. It will be really helpful. Please & thanks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Bitraser

Please do not add inappropriate external links to Wikipedia, as you did to List of data-erasing software. Wikipedia is not a collection of links,

Please let me know what wrong links I have put, for example the first listing of Blancco is referenced to their own product website (external link), which is what was followed for BitRaser. Please let me know. I really seem to be having tough time understanding this. Its really getting painful now.

Canestine (talk) 20:26, 19 September 2021 (UTC)On my draft for the Nokia 6340i, you left a comment saying that the page exists. I am talking about something else, not the 6310i.Canestine (talk) 20:26, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Caren J. Werlinger page

Hi! I saw your comments rejecting a page for the author Caren J. Werlinger. I am interested in a bit more details as to why the page was rejected - she has received significant awards for her books from well known organizations - organizations that are independent of her . . . .

I included links to each of the awarding organizations in the "external links" category. I chose this option rather than putting a reference link on every award, as that made the references section so long, I was worried the external links section would be lost. If the problem was that I didn't provide links to the pages for every award, I can do that . . .

Ms. Werlinger is already mentioned on the Wikipedia page for the Alice B Readers Award. The other two recipients this year already had Wikipedia pages, so I reached out to Ms. Werlinger and offered to make one for her . . . .

Besides all her other awards, the Alice B Readers Award states: The Alice B Readers Award[1] is given annually to living writers of lesbian fiction whose careers are distinguished by consistently well-written stories about lesbians. Named for Alice B. Toklas, the award is given once, only, in appreciation of career achievement. In addition to the medal, each recipient is given a lapel pin and a significant honorarium.

If Ms. Werlinger is being recognized for career achievement, why is that not enough to warrant a Wikipedia page?

I know there is also an issue with the photograph - I can take care of the release for the image file, but if the page itself won't be approved, then there isn't a need for the image release.

Thank you for any feedback you can provide!

Karen Kfollettva (talk) 21:46, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Your draft Draft:Caren J. Werlinger has no inline citations, all biographies of living people are required to have all content supported by a reliable independent source, see WP:REFB for help with formatting, we don't dump references at the end. Theroadislong (talk) 21:57, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Need Explanation

You seem to act so rude. Give me a credible point as to how I am disrupting and how my insertion was advertorial. All the lists in the page of List of data-erasing software have followed the same notability and structure that I did. You are not God so please give credible explanation and I am at all my right to raise red flag against you. Stonu2003 (talk) 08:15, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

you are hurting my psychologically! Stonu2003 (talk) 08:16, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

The article List of data-erasing software contains a list of notable companies, ie. those with Wikipedia articles, it is not an indiscriminate list of ALL data erasing software. Logging out to continue edit warring is likely to lead to a block. Theroadislong (talk) 08:37, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Banca Francesa (dice game)

Please read the references. Get some help if you don't understand Spanish or Portuguese. All the references are neutral, not casinos. Also, for the record, the Portuguese language page has ZERO references and just the one mention of the book. https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banca_francesa

I have read the references. This [1] is not a reliable source, and you appear to be an undisclosed paid editor. Theroadislong (talk) 15:37, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Andrea Unger - Submission declined on 20 September 2021 by Theroadislong

Hi Theroadislong, I'm writing you to explore how can I improve the page I sent in review. Because I think that the person I mentioned is really notable (just to win 4 times the official Worldcup Trading Championship). Other people who won this competition (once) has been already in wikipedia (e.g. Larry Williams). What kind of resources can I use? Thanks in advance for your time and your suggestions. Angio92

Re: Draft:Andrea Unger It would help to have more independent reliable sources. Linkedin.com is not a reliable source ever and this [2] is not independent. Theroadislong (talk) 15:48, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Re: Ok, thanks for explanation. This resource [3] is the the official website of Worldcup Trading Championship... is the only way I know to demonstrate that this person has won the competition. May can helps that this person has another page on wikipedia (different language)? (talk) 15:54, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

That is not an independent source and the competition does not appear to be notable (ie. no Wikipedia article about it) Other countries Wikipedia have much less strict criteria for inclusion. I am confident that if the draft was in main space it would be nominated for deletion. Theroadislong (talk) 16:00, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Re: Thanks again for your help... so, do you think it's a good idea to add some articles (as resources) written by [[4]] and [[5]] that are the most important financial newspapers in Italy? Moreover I can change the resource from LinkedIn and WorldCup to an interview made by [[6]]

Yes that sounds good, thanks. Theroadislong (talk) 20:03, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Banca Francesa (dice game)

In response to your latest correspondence, I want to make clear I have ZERO financial stake in promoting this topic. There are countless pages on Wikipedia that promote casino or dice games, including Roulette or craps. This is no different. Please see references. Thank you.

You are editing using your real name remember. Please note the other articles are not promoting anything as far as I can tell? Theroadislong (talk) 15:50, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Banca Francesa (dice game)

I am not promoting a single thing. I just don't understand where you are reading that. I don't understand how using my real name has anything to do with that. I created the profile to write this page as a side hobby, possibly to create more in the future. The first reference explains the game in full. If you don't understand, please get someone who does. Also, please see the Portuguese language post. https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banca_francesa. It has no references.

It is irrelevant that there is a poor quality Portuguese article, other countries have very different criteria for inclusion, feel free to get other opinions at The Teahouse. Theroadislong (talk) 16:04, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Banca Francesa (dice game)

It's a moving target.

Banca Francesa (dice game)

You wrote Wizard of Odds is not a reliable source, however, it is used multiple times on this similar topic under references. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craps

See other stuff exists. Theroadislong (talk) 19:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Banca Francesa (dice game)

I'd like someone else to review my article.

I'm perfectly happy for another reviewer to take a look, please don't start a new section every time you reply and please sign your posts with 4 tildes. You can also get help here Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk. Theroadislong (talk) 19:58, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for introducing and inviting to Tea House

Thank you so much. Am really glad that finally, you have shown me the way. I have studied deeply and am really well informed and aware about my mistake. Although I might make some and learn in the process. Thanks

you are still not signing your posts with 4 tildes. Theroadislong (talk) 07:25, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

User:MiBlanche/sandbox

Dear Theroadislong,

thank you for your comments on my draft "Daimler and Benz foundation"! As you recommended, I disclosed my employer. I hope the objective of writing this article is clearer now. I would also like to note some more information about the foundation: The Daimler and Benz foundation (in German: "Daimler und Benz Stiftung") is a charitable institution that does not pursue any commercial purposes. Its objective is to promote science and research in order to gain a better understanding of the interrelations between humans, the environment, and technology. It also promotes dialog between the interested public and scientists from various disciplines.

The foundation's request to be represented on Wikipedia is for informational purposes only. The managing director of the foundation could confirm this in writing, if necessary. Can I submit the article again? Otherwise please let me know, if more information is needed for my submission to be accepted. Thank you! MiBlanche (talk) 09:21, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Climate-ADAPT page on-hold

Dear Theroadislong, I am Chiara. We have recently communicated about a page called Climate-ADAPT (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Chiaramzztt/sandbox/Climate-ADAPT). Thank you for your advices! After your comments, and the comments from another editor, I have disclosed all the necessary information about the paid contribution (apologies for missing this). You wrote I should not further edit the page until I answer your message. I did that, but got no feedback yet. I know you might be busy but may I kindly ask you how I shall proceed? I believe the page is worth publishing, as the platform collects data and information that can be used by anybody looking for data on climate change, for free. The Platform is endorsed by the European Commission. At the moment, the page only describes the content that people can find on the platform and the platform itself. I wonder whether you could have a look at the page and let me know if I can improve it in any way, and try to publish it again. I would truly appreciate your advice and guidance. Thank you very much in advance for your time. Chiaramzztt (talk) 15:01, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

I have added the submit template but the draft reads more like an advertisement, rather than a summary of what reliable sources have reported about them. Notability is judged by whether they pass the criteria at WP:NORG. Theroadislong (talk) 16:52, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Bazaart

Hey, and apologies for leaving a message on your talk page. I added the draft above a few months ago, and your feedback was that I should add more sources. I added quite a few other sources including major media sites from around the globe, and the US (CNET). I'd be grateful if you could revisit the draft. I understand why paid contributions need to be tested more than other contributions, but I would not have taken this task upon myself had I not believed that it meets Wikipedia's criteria for relevance. Thank you in advance. TheMoonRider (talk) 01:34, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Sources have improved but it reads very much like an advertisement for the business. Theroadislong (talk) 07:22, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

User:Nee nalavanannu/sandbox

Hello Theroadislong I don't get what are you talking about, but I think my page hurt you. Sorry for that.

                                                                                   By nee nalavanannu

The topic is not notable, Wikipedia is not a place to tell the world about a new quiz, sorry. Theroadislong (talk) 07:37, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Dee Anderson's wiki

Hi the edit button is no longer showing on the page. Has something happened? Thanks WonderJen

All looks fine to me, please be aware that articles on Wikipedia are based on reliable sources your draft is rather lacking in them. Please also remember to sign your posts with 4 tildes. Theroadislong (talk) 10:49, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Your comment

HI there point taken. Only it's not a just a press release. It's data from the LUMIERE database. A very useful short and recent digest. People reading the database info will just love this. It's what they are looking for. Trust me. I'm a data professional. What do you think? Did I convince? Appreciate your comment. Best EurAVObservatory

Hello again the page of the European Audiovisual Observatory is the institutional page of a European organisation part of the Council of Europe in Strasbourg. Please do not destroy our work again. It took us a lot time to create our official page and it is indeed full of content about our Organisation. We appreciate your support and advice EurAVObservatory

It is NOT your official page it is Wikipedia's article about you and you have no right to insist on the promotional changes you have made. Theroadislong (talk) 11:48, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks

OK so your explanation on my status is very clear - much appreaciated. I'm the Communications Manager of the Observatory and have set myself the goal this autumn of fixing all our pages. We are a European institution and part of the Council of Europe so this is not a commercial activity. I'm going to follow your advice. Many thanks form Strasbourg EurAVObservatory

European Audiovisual Observatory Page

Just saying that it IS indeed our official wikipedia page and I intend to make sure it's up to date and correct. It needs up dating as some of the information is not incorrect. Example - the KORDA database no longer exists. So you can expect some work on that page today. Support me? Thanks EurAVObservatory

There is no such thing as your "official page" on Wikipedia and your edits will be reverted. Theroadislong (talk) 11:54, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi there

Hi Theroadislong, sorry I am new to wikipedia so there are many things I am not aware of yet. I am just trying to edit the article I wrote about newcomer music artist Kah' Linda in such a way that you can accept it for wikipedia, I have added a link to the allmusic credits of one of production team members behind Kah' Linda, I am not sure what else to add to make it worth to be posted? Rapmusiclover123 (talk) 12:10, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia requires content to be supported by independent reliable sources, there are only primary sources in your draft which do not contribute to any notability. Theroadislong (talk) 12:38, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi there, I am not completely sure what you mean with secondary sources, I have looked at this wikipedia article below and that one also is actually an unknown person, so why is that page valid and mine not? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christoph_Tisch

so I am not sure, what is the difference here?

thanks in advance!

Using other poor quality articles like Christoph Tisch to justify another, is not a good idea, see other stuff exists. Wikipedia summarises what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a topic, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable topic. Theroadislong (talk) 13:33, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Barnstar for you

		The Original Barnstar
		Here's a barnstar for reviewing my drafts. CycoMa (talk) 16:33, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your guidance! I have a few follow-up questions

Thank you fo explaining the guidelines about adding family information to bios. The person who created my mother's page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elzbieta_Ettinger#CITEREFEttinger1997) asserts without citation that my mother entered the Warsaw Ghetto in 1939. This is not possible, since there was no Ghetto until 1941. I was trying to fill in her whereabouts between 39 and 41. The person who created the page describes my mother as Polish-American. My mother identified as a Polish Jew, and to omit her Jewishness is a grave error, given that she wrote expressively about the Holocaust. I tried to correct that. Finally, I tried to add the fact that her papers are available at the Schlesinger Library at Harvard, which is important for future scholars. Can I make these changes if i refrain from adding other facts? Many thanks for your kind advice. Maiway2021 (talk) 18:55, 23 September 2021 (UTC)