User talk:Tony1

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There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Threats from editor. NeilN ^{talk to me} 02:52, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. My report is here: Threats from editor. Gtrbolivar (talk) 02:54, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

December 2017

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for making legal threats or taking legal action.

You are not allowed to edit Wikipedia while the threats stand or the legal action is unresolved.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:57, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

OK, I'm retiring from Wikipedia. Tony (talk) 02:58, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

I will unblock you immediately if you retract the threat - no harm done, but what you said here constitutes a legal threat. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:02, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

• Oshwah, I've looked quickly through Tony's contribs, and nothing is jumping out that could have caused this. Can you explain? SarahSV ^(talk) 03:00, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

SlimVirgin - I feel the diff above (and explained at the ANI) constitutes a legal threat. Let me know if you disagree; I'll be happy to hear you (and anyone else) out. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:03, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Oshwah, I've left a note there. That wasn't a legal threat. Please unblock asap with a note in the log that it was a misunderstanding. SarahSV ^(talk) 03:07, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Can you please clarify or explain?

Hi Tony1 - can you please clarify or explain what you meant when you said, "Then it becomes a legal issue" in your statement here? If you didn't intend this to be a legal threat, I'd like to know so that I can unblock you. Please let me know. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:21, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

"Legal issue" meaning I'll take him to ANI, you idiot. Tony (talk) 03:22, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Tone it down. "Legal issue" is pretty clear, so perhaps in the future pick a different word. -- There'sNoTime ^{(to explain)} 03:25, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying. Your account is now unblocked. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:27, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

That seems like a reasonable interpretation: more than an actual legal threat would be. Jonathunder (talk) 03:28, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

I will not "tone it down". How incompetent of this so-called admin to shoot first then ask questions later. Is that what you call good adminning? He should resign. And what about the smear in my block log? How dare he. Tony (talk) 03:33, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

It's perfectly understandable that you're upset right now. Oshwah is a relatively new but well-meaning admin. He did unblock you and note the log that this was not a legal threat. Jonathunder (talk) 03:35, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Not good enough. Tony (talk) 03:36, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict)"It will be a legal issue" does not mean to a reasonable person (reasonable in the legal meaning of the term) "I will take you to ANI". "I will take you to ANI" does. Please see Wikipedia:No legal threats#Perceived legal threats. Also, I'd highly suggest you take a step back from Wikipedia, have a cup of your beverage of choice, and allow yourself to calm down before further posting. Lashing out is an understandable reaction from your perspective but will only make things worse in the long run (and, honestly, having seen the comments that started this kerfuffle probably should have been done before making those, but water under the bridge is water under the bridge). - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:37, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Comments that can only inflame the situation. Get away from this page. Tony (talk) 03:38, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

• Hi Tony, thank you for the clarification! Although I disagreed strongly with the block, it was purely procedural, and I ask for your understanding. I have yet to have the honor to interact with you, but I need to say your work here is very much admired. Thank you! And I will go away too, sorry to disturb. Alex Shih (talk) 03:40, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
  • That kind of shoot-first procedure deserves a desysopping. I'm not going to waste my time working on WP any more after this. Tony (talk) 03:43, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
    • Well, I respectfully disagree. I wish you well. Alex Shih (talk) 03:55, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Quite frankly, I'd have interpreted it the same way that Oshwah did. I don't normally hear folks referring to disputes that should go to ANI as "legal issues". Just my 2¢, and I don't think Oshwah is an "idiot" for seeing it that way. GorillaWarfare (talk) 04:34, 28 December 2017 (UTC)