User talk:Boynamedsue

BNS

Hi all, it may not have escaped the notice of users at Catalonia that I'm frequently unarsed about logging in on Catalan related pages, simply signing myself BNS. It has attracted my attention that an IP address which I have recently been using has a long history of vandalism. I would like to make it clear that, while I have no qualms about treating the rules of wikipedia as I treat all rules (I obey the ones I agree with), some of the vandalism originating from this IP is not my style. Please treat any future postings not signed boynamedsue as the work of the (other) vandal.

Boynamedsue 14:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

"Land of Valencia"

Hello. There is a voting going on now in [1] Based in your opinion and others which I compiled, the matter seems to be close to a happy ending. You may be interested in having a quick look at the page and cast your vote there. Thanks again. Mountolive | Talk 18:46, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

p.s. actually, don't bother, man: the situation is as fucked up as ever. Thanks anyway Mountolive | Talk 02:03, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

hmmm...I suspected of Montrealais but, actually BNS could be someone else hehehe, whoever it was, he made a superb vandalizing, turned it into a fine art...and the best is the usual Catalanist user who followed and...well, fixed a typo!! hahaha, these guys are just cute! :D Mountolive | Talk 04:53, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi mate...are you aware of the last trend in Valencian Community? what do you think about calling Spanish "Castilian" instead? I would like to hear your opinion before I engage in further blablabla, which, on the other side, I am not sure if I can take it anymore....

Mountolive.-

And I was just getting all touchy feely over at Catalonia! No, I think that it's silly in an English wiki. I would suppose it is intended to underline the difference between indigenous "LLengua propia" (the language of the Catalan invaders who enslaved and commited cultural genocide on the native population of eastern Valencia) and the foreign "Llengua impropia" (the language of the Castillian invaders who enslaved and commited cultural genocide on the native population of western Valencia).

Boynamedsue 15:01, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

You got it. Yes, your analysis is, once again, correct: you seem to know the Catalan nationalist stock well by now ;)

Mountolive

Request for arbitration

A request for arbitration has been filed concerning the articles Catalonia and Valencian Community. You may, if you wish, make a statement as to whether this request should be accepted or not, although the final decision rests with the Arbitration Committee. Physchim62 (talk) 16:34, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Controversial matters for the Request for arbitration

I have created a page where we can all expose our controversial matters in each of the articles filled in the request for arbitration. You are invited to contribute in it in order to explain our POVs to the comittee in a clear way. --Maurice27 13:06, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Catalonia

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Catalonia. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Catalonia/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Catalonia/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Picaroon (Talk) 00:04, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Britannica

Boynamedsue, as hard as I try to assume the best of your comments, and just like you once said to me, I think you still don't understand. First, I was referring (if you had followed the debate at Talk:Catalonia) about the printed version of Britannica Spain's article which does apply the term "nationality" in reference to Catalonia, and I would be more than happy to scan the page for you, and post it here, or even send it to you over the email. Secondly, there is no selection in sources, because you are not bringing any equally reputable source that contradicts, denies or reinterprets the term. If there was a vast pool of sources of which I only pick the one that suits me or my POV, then yes, I would have been selective, but that is not the case. Even if you reject a reputable tertiary source which is no competition whatsoever for Wikipedia (being written by Academics and not by Internet users who cite Academics), there is absolutely no "Catalanist" [or whatever] selection pf opinionated sources, but a citation of a primary source (quite a different sort) when we cite the constitution that rules over all Spaniards, whether from Madrid, Andalusia, Catalonia, or Extremadura, whether from the right-wing or left-wing spectrum of politics, and which defines what the Spaniards feel the Spanish nation is and is composed of, being democratically and equally represented in the Parliament.

Needless to say, I do appreciate, and commend you, for your positive, constructive attitude towards a peaceful resolution of this issue. --the Dúnadan 03:53, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I offered a scanned copy, but did not post it since nobody accepted it. But no problem, I cannot go the library until the weekend, if you can wait, I will produce a scanned copy and either email it to you or post it. It might not stay long in Wikipedia (due to copyright policies), so if you have set up an email account here, I rather send it to you over the email. --the Dúnadan 01:08, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry, I didn't realize the uni's library was operating on restricted hours for the summer break until mid-August, so I could not get a scanned copy as promised. I don't know where you live, but in the majority -if not all- public libraries in English-speaking countries you will find an edition of a copy of Britannica, and I assume some university libraries in Spain do. If you have access to one, you can read the text from the Macropedia Vol 28, p. 13 (I don't have the edition, but it is of the late 90s), which states: "The three regions that had voted for a statute of autonomy in the past -Catalonia, the Basque provinces and Galicia- were designated historical nationalities and permitted to attain autonomy through a rapid and simplified process". The second quote pertained to the designation of "historic region" (a version proposed by some last May, as a compromise to "nationality", that Maurice27 also rejected precisely because of the use of "historic region" to designate Catalonia). This second quote comes from Britannica's Micropedia, vol. 2, p. 945: "Catalonia [...] comunidad autónoma, "autonomous community" and historic region of Spain..".

The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development recently published an Academic paper [2] prepared by a British political scientist that compared and contrasted the different processes of Devolution of some European nations as well as those that implemented federalism. In the sub-section of Spain, the author used the term "nationalities" and "historical nationalities" to refer to Catalonia (and the other autonomous communities that use the term). That was expected. But surprisingly, the British author also used the term extensively to refer to territories, regions or ethnic groups within any country. In fact, he used the term "historical nationalities" to refer to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland (p. 25). He is thus using this term in English with the same connotation normatively accepted, at least to my knowledge, in Spanish and other languages of Spain.

I really liked the presentation he did of the Spanish devolution system; it is, arguably, an example of an Academic paper complying with WP:NPOV. He presented the historical and current political extreme points of view or conceptualization of Spain (an assymetric plurinational state versus a unified quasi-federal or centralized nation), and then presents the legal real facts aside of the extreme points. He first contrasts the two types of "identities" described by the constitution (nationalities and regions), and then the two type of administrative systems (the chartered autonomies with fiscal independence [concierto económico] and the rest [de régimen común]), whose subset is different from the former (i.e. Navarra is not a "nationality"). He then describes the current situation concerning the asymmetric devolution of power, the position of both regional and statewide political parties, and the recent changes and/or proposed laws, those that were contested, and the resolution (if any) of the Constitutional Court. Being a simple explanation of the facts, and like you once pointed out, contextualizing everything, without taking sides nor [dis]- or approving either extreme, I believe this paper will serve as an excellent source to rewrite/neutralize/revamp the article Nationalities of Spain, and possibly autonomous communities. Even if not, I found it very informative.

Cheers,

--the Dúnadan 22:47, 29 July 2007 (UTC)